well, there are really no definition of HO, also HO have dropped a bit in viability after the deo-ban. and further more, if you want to be able to built successful teams, theres really no other way than to try stuff out. Team building guides help, and the threats i showed all included the team building procces. so yeah...Thank you. Ive looked through these boards tho and ive even posted in multiple others. I appreciate you all trying to help but I dont really want to use a bunch of other peoples teams. And in fact, the teams you listed here besides the last one arent even really HO teams. I was more interested in learning how to build and play teams, not how to build and play a specific team someone else uses.