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Why isn't Band/Scarf Victini more used in OU?
I liked this idea of Natural Gift Talonflame. But a question, is the Berry Consumed after Natural Gift?
I liked this idea of Natural Gift Talonflame. But a question, is the Berry Consumed after Natural Gift?
Most psychic types were knocked out of OU because of Aegislash, although that looks subject to change.
And yeah, the berry is consumed.
All i can really say is it's a bad ladder. Both sets are really good in OU, however Dark spam is annoying for it. It however can check Medicham and Gardevoir which is useful for offensive teams. I'd definitely recommend using it.
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I don't know how fast it'll come, but I'm pretty sure the
I'm not sure if this question should go into the OU thread specifically, but I'm not sure where it fits. When I used Smogon a few years ago, people used to post individual battles along with a turn-by-turn analysis to describe their thought processes behind each move (similar to RMT's). I can't find them anymore and I'd be interested in reading them to possibly fix some of my issues like why I suck at using setup sweepers in OU :p. Thanks for any help!
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Banned deucer.
Currently I'm using Adamant Mold Breaker Excradrill, with 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Spd Ev's, does it outspeed the average Rotom Wash, or I need to take some HP's ev's out for speed ev's?
It's kind of difficult determining what the "average" Rotom-W spread is, as usage-wise most people tend to run 0 Speed (in which case your Excadrill outspeeds). However, an arguably better Rotom-W spread has 44 Speed EVs to outspeed Jolly Azumarill, and as you get into higher ladder play you'll start to see more of these 44 Speed Rotom-W sets. To outspeed 44 Speed Rotom-W, Excadrill will need 32 EVs in Speed.
I think you might be thinking of this, the warstory archive.
Ah, thanks a lot. I had no idea it was there :p.
And the above statement is going to pop up all over 4chan, gamefaqs, and pokemon forums everywhere.
I usually like to argue with anti smogonites, as a majority of them are really stupid, but this is a ban I haven't understood myself. It's got an endless list of checks, albeit no specific counters b/c mixed set. It's offensive sets, despite bulky due to shield forme, are still 2HKO'd by half the tier. It's got a neat defensive typing, but a weakness to pursuit, knock off, and sucker punch, along with overly common fire and ground moves and a pseudo-protect which doesn't cover it from status and such.
EDIT: worse still, it's not team-limiting, is it? I don't think too many people run specific counters for aegislash. However, the only time I've ever changed my team specifically for aegi is by running fire punch on medicham (which has other uses by itself, reliably checking skarm and ferro is one)
Could someone help me out? I have a feeling I'm getting somewhere but I'm still not so sure.
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slayerx725232
"to sea, or not to sea" ~Melodramatic Sailor
The reasoning behind the ban from what I gathered in the forum about it's suspect test was basically along the lines of that it was a 50/50 mon with the potential to wreck any team that is not prepared. I personally do not agree with this, especially with knock off being so present in the current meta game (That buff was amazing) as well as EQ and Earth Power. It gets checked by many things indeed, but the players of Smogon decided that it was detrimental to the meta and removed it.
Hey I really don't know where else to ask this question but here goes nothing....
Normally Pokes banned from OU don't get dropped until the start of the next generation but since the aegi suspect was so close and ORAS is coming around the corner are could it be possible to retest aegi ir him dropping if the metagame doesn't change or modify itself for the better? Just wondering not that I don't agree with the ban it was just super close and could have gone either way unlike a lot of suspects in the past.
Normally Pokes banned from OU don't get dropped until the start of the next generation but since the aegi suspect was so close and ORAS is coming around the corner are could it be possible to retest aegi ir him dropping if the metagame doesn't change or modify itself for the better? Just wondering not that I don't agree with the ban it was just super close and could have gone either way unlike a lot of suspects in the past.
It would depend on what actually gets altered in ORAS. Some mons might be more viable with their HA, either against or in spite of Aegis, and there could be new Move Tutors.
Different question. I recall last Gen some Landorus-T sets could run Naive w/ HP Ice to lure Gliscor. Given the HP nerf and Gliscors starting to run Sp Def sets, would that still be at all worth it?
Heatran also fits this role but you need to make sure that opposing heatrans don't have Earth Power.
While most offensive knock off users 2HKO aegislash (haven't seen an OHKO yet in all my calcs) It could go both ways, seeing that it may be running KS, or it may be using WP, proceeding to force you out/sweep you. Or it may predict your prediction, and use the free turn you use to setup in the face of a possible KS to do an SD. Hell, it may be running stall as well, which is a different set of mays altogether.
So is that what it is? The fact that it can run too many viable sets for the metagame to handle? ... can't many pokemon do that? What makes aegislash different?
Also could someone provide me a link to the thread where the OU council of smogon pronounced their verdict? I've heard about the Aegis ban by word of mouth so I'm still not 100% sure.
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slayerx725232
"to sea, or not to sea" ~Melodramatic Sailor
Yes the fact that it forces so many 50/50s with the potential to sweep is the reason behind it's ban. And it does it in such a way that no other Pokemon can compete with the mindgames it brings. Say you were to mispredict and hit it on a turn where it KS'ed, you're screwed asyou are left with a -2 Attack drop, and the Aegis no longer has to fear your Knock Off, allowing it to set up if that is the set it runs. And here is the post where it is officially said that Aegislash is banned, said by the OU council leader, Aldaron: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ng-round-5-ghost-of-perdition.3511596/page-70 (Scroll to the bottom of the page, the stuff above it is more mindless bantering about Aegislashs uses.)
I have a huge bone to pick with the damn 50/50 argument, and I had a post explaining all my thoughts about it in the suspect thread (among many other posts), but I can't be bothered to dig it up. Ultimately, it doesn't matter anymore anyway so it would be wasted effort. Anyone interested in the reasons behind the ban as well as the pushback against the ban should probably just read through random pages of the thread where everyone put forth their best arguments. (and not so great arguments, but w/e) IMO there's no point in rehashing everything in this thread/turning it into an extension of the now-locked suspect thread.
Just gonna leave this here.
EDIT: Sorry for "huge discussion" of 4-5 repliesAjwf said:
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After the metagame develops more, we may go back and have another suspect to test if Aegislash fits in the new meta, once the real problems start getting rooted up it'll get its chance again, this has happened in several other generations. Honestly, there's not much more to it, therefore, there isn't really much to discuss, so stick to just asking questions.
Not trying to mini-mod, but there's no need for you guys to be having such huge discussions over something that won't change for a while, in a thread that's suppose to be for answering questions. Take the ban as a grain of salt, and play the tier, or leave.
Not trying to mini-mod, but there's no need for you guys to be having such huge discussions over something that won't change for a while, in a thread that's suppose to be for answering questions. Take the ban as a grain of salt, and play the tier, or leave.
Generally it isn't in the case of Gliscor. It's alright as a lure to handle other Landos and Garchomps, but that's exactly what it is, simply a lure. It's not the most viable options as generally it's Earthquake, u-turn, stone edge, and then the 4th slot would be dedicated to knock off or stealth rock primarily. Then again lures are not always bad so it solely depends on your team builds and what your goal is. Don't expect it to handle Gliscor reliably though.
Alright then. I was debating what to RNG Landorus as, so I think I'll go with Impish and Stealth Rock + Knock Off as tutor moves.
i did not say it was bad, i just said ''institutional'' but i did not think of it also hitting ttar and quaq ^^ but yeah... still takes a moveslot (over roost or flare blitz (roost)) and the item (over sharp beak etc.)
Sure, that's why it's a lure. Shouldn't be your first choice for a Talonflame set obviously (the set is BB/Flare Blitz/NG/SD), but it works if you want to remove one of those three mons and it can still pull its weight otherwise (not as well as the regular set, but still, it can)
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