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I just can't see the Pats staying focused. They don't exactly strike me as the most humble and level-headed bunch. They're going to end up losing to some one eventually, though I must say I love the delicious irony of them going unbeaten in the regular season and losing in the play-offs at home. I think Brady's head would explode and Bellicheck would go on a murderous rampage.

Maybe....they'll overlook the Bills? Hey...ummm...it could happen. If our coaches actually keep playing to win for once. Oh, and if Schobel and Kelsay would start earning their goddamned paychecks, and they finally realize Trip sucks and McCargo needs to be out there as much as possible and...
But it could happen, right?
 
Elminster12 said:
I just can't see the Pats staying focused. They don't exactly strike me as the most humble and level-headed bunch. They're going to end up losing to some one eventually, though I must say I love the delicious irony of them going unbeaten in the regular season and losing in the play-offs at home. I think Brady's head would explode and Bellicheck would go on a murderous rampage.

Maybe....they'll overlook the Bills? Hey...ummm...it could happen. If our coaches actually keep playing to win for once. Oh, and if Schobel and Kelsay would start earning their goddamned paychecks, and they finally realize Trip sucks and McCargo needs to be out there as much as possible and...
But it could happen, right?
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The only people who aren't level-headed are the Patriot haters. The Patriots are on a winning streak, thus everyone feels badly, especially because they're team, unless it was Indy, got consistently and absolutely mauled by the machine. "They're running up the score! Those jerks!" "They're stat-padding! Those jerks!" I'm surprised that at the end of the Patriots-Colts game there wasn't a whine of "They're running down the clock! Those jerks!" Brady isn't a whiner, nor is he a showboater, ditto with Bellicheck. If you want a showboater look at A-Rod, but he's on the Yankees, not the Patriots. Well, he was on the Yankees until he, not able to stand the darkness outside the spotlight, declared his free agency, then "apologized" for the timing.
 
Buffalo? The Bills can catch New England on a bad day and make it close; I don't see how they can win. J.P. Losman is... and Trent Edwards, when healthy, isn't much better.

Looking at their schedule, the only two games left that I see the Patriots being contested in are at home against Pittsburgh and at the Giants.

Buffalo? Good luck.
Philly? Uh, how are you stopping the other 81?
Baltimore? You're scoring how?
Jets? I know of an ESPN broadcaster/Jets fan that might develop depression that week.
Miami? How many more games will they lose before then, again?

Yeah...
 
the patriots are the best team ever. in any sport. this is not an exaggeration. they beat the indianapolis colts (the only team that was arguably better than the pats this year) by 4 after battling through some of the worst refereeing ever seen in a single game. the pats go 16-0 this year in the regular season as long as their starters continue playing throughout the season. the colts are better than pittsburgh (at the Razor). the only real chance of a loss is the G-Men in week 17 because the pats might not be actually playing, seeing as they'll have the bye clinched by week 15 or so...
 
I dunno. I'd consider it a perfect season. Cause it's the 'regular season' which is why every other article is saying 16-0 as none are saying 19-0 as a perfect season, unless they're going ahead to say who they think is winning the super bowl, but that's just me


also i dunno if you can say this years pats are best in any sports ever yet. we don't even know if they're going to win it all (we all think so but we don't KNOW it).
 
CardsOfTheHeart said:
Buffalo? The Bills can catch New England on a bad day and make it close; I don't see how they can win. J.P. Losman is... and Trent Edwards, when healthy, isn't much better.

Looking at their schedule, the only two games left that I see the Patriots being contested in are at home against Pittsburgh and at the Giants.

Buffalo? Good luck.
Philly? Uh, how are you stopping the other 81?
Baltimore? You're scoring how?
Jets? I know of an ESPN broadcaster/Jets fan that might develop depression that week.
Miami? How many more games will they lose before then, again?

Yeah...
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Losman is easily better than Edwards. He has double TE's touchdown passes, for one thing. And less picks. TE is overhyped because the media likes the story of a rookie coming in and lighting it up ever since Roth rode the Steelers. I'm not ready to give Losman a Romo-style contract, but he can do TE's cute little TOP gig in addition to actually stretching the defense and engineering a touchdown drive much more often. It is no coincidence him starting coincided with Lynch getting over 100 for the first time. And without this mysterious "poise" Trent possesses despite folding under pressure like, well....a 3rd-round rookie out of Stanford. And, I suppose, no coincidence this offensive explosion came against the Bungles.

Hell, TE may even be the future. But he sure as hell isn't the present, and if we try to make him that, he might never have a future. Lend me this small hope and pride in my team. First things first: it's Phish week!
 
CardsOfTheHeart said:
As far as I see it, if you go 16-0 and you DON'T win the Super Bowl, that season was a failure. Does last year's Chargers ring a bell?
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16-0
Tom Brady and Randy Moss injured in the Playoffs and lose...

wouldn't be much failure if they got fucked up some how.
The Bengals a few years back were playing great and lost Palmer against the Steelers...so there went their season.

but I do agree with you on most of these other posts.
 
That's just my opinion, though. I see where everyone else is coming from.

The Patriots still won't go undefeated, though. The Giants may give them problems, and the way the Steelers are playing tonight (35-7 at the half, as of this post), I wouldn't be surprised if New England ends up with 2 losses this season.
 
If the Patriots are 15-0 when they play the Giants, they will not sit their players, everyone will play the game until its a for sure win for them, Belichick is trying to make everyone feel his wrath. He'll keep running the score up and no one will do a damn thing about it, everyone says they will hit Brady or Moss hard, but when it comes time to doing it, no one will.

And the argument that the Pats are the greatest team in every sport ever, I have to disagree completely. First off they've played half a season and still haven't won anything. Second there are plently of teams that are better that I can name off the top of my head, the Dream Team, the 85 Bears, the 1927 Yankees, the UCLA Basketball dynasty, and the Fo Fo Fo Sixers. Wait until everything is all said and done, they will be at the top, but the best ever? I don't think so. They score alot, but the teams I named were dominant, they destroyed everyone and were very well rounded, the Colts proved last night that they can be slowed down and they held the Pats to just a few points for a large portion of the game. The same things were being said about the Colts a few years back, thye had a super explosive offense and were racking up the points (and had no defense), but then they failed in the playoffs and they are never mentioned in any top team discussion.
 
I'm still taking the Colts in the the probable future AFC title game. Harrison being out hurt them big time in the redzone and I think they would've had an insurmountable early-game league if he was there to help turn those early FGs into TDs. And then Gonzales going down and even Sanders at the end... compared to what, Morris being on IR? Maroney could perform just as well as a goalline back (we don't know because he hasn't been given the chance) and the Pats are a heavy passing team now anyway.

The officiating was not very good, but there were really only a couple questionable calls on the Pats during the game: the phantom offensive PI on Moss and the no-call on the holding against Faulk, both late in the game. The second defensive PI call, though questionable, can be somewhat explained by Hobbs stopping in front of Wayne (you can't stop in front of a receiver and disrupt his route even if you're looking for the ball). Faulk was still inside five yards where contact is legal. Moss gets away with push-offs every other play of every game, so consider that bad call against him justice for every other time. ;/

The Pats are hardly invincible, if evidenced by nothing else but the Colts beating them for 55 minutes and their inability to put the Cowboys away until late in the 4th. They're terrible at defending the RB whether on the ground or out of the backfield, they just have such an explosive offense that teams are too busy playing catch-up through the air to take advantage of that weakness. The Steelers are a strong running team who can control the clock and jab away at the Pats' biggest weakness and they have a strong defense themselves. Between that and the Giants, for the previously mentioned reasons, I think these two have the best shot at knocking them off now if the Pats aren't surprised by a lesser team earlier.
 
General Tso said:
Yeah, it's just not a season unless Tom Brady and the Pats do horrible against the Dolphins ;)
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LOL

Considering how their defense (and Matt Cassel) allowed more points to the Dolphins than to anyone else (28 points; Dallas put up 27, if you recall), that actually wouldn't be as big of a shock as one would expect it to be.

Then again, I am a realist, and with no real quarterback at the helm--lol at Cleo Lemon--nor the ability to stop the run (31st against the run), the Dolphins just can't hold a candle to the Patriots.

On a side note, Miami is STILL waiting for Brady Quinn to fall to them at #9. Seriously, maybe they can fix things in next year's draft by getting Andre Woodson. As much as I don't like passing up Glenn Dorsey or Jake Long, I'd rather take Woodson now than wait another year for someone like Rudy Carpenter. It may be a good idea to some to draft Long this coming year and then get Carpenter when he comes out, but I can't say I'm a fan of that... but that's just me.
 
Pats won't go 16-0, reason being, randy moss. The Browns horrible defense managed to shut down moss, and the pats struggled to a degree. When the pats play the Steelers number one defense, who will cover moss and still be able to do something, they will loose. Brady is overly dependent upon Moss.

Moss is also a death sentance for any NFL team, and when that loss comes they'll loose alot, as Moss is a 100% pure jackass, and when they loose once Moss will explode, and take the team down with him.
 
I doubt no individual player can take a team like the Patriots down.

In any case, the Colts, right now, are a better team than the Patriots or at least they would be at 100%. They actually have offensive balance (not knocking Maroney - he's good, but they don't use him enough), they have a better defense than New England (seriously, I think other than NE the only other team to reach 20 against them was Tennessee, who can beat any team in the NFL just because of Vince Young).

The Patriots were about as close to 100% as you can get in the NFL, the Colts were at 85% at best. Once the Colts get to 100%, I will still take them, even in Foxboro, over the Patriots.

*note I actually like the Patriots - my only antipathy towards them is more envy because I wish my team ran itself like them ._.)
 
Drakhun said:
Pats won't go 16-0, reason being, randy moss. The Browns horrible defense managed to shut down moss, and the pats struggled to a degree. When the pats play the Steelers number one defense, who will cover moss and still be able to do something, they will loose. Brady is overly dependent upon Moss.

Moss is also a death sentance for any NFL team, and when that loss comes they'll loose alot, as Moss is a 100% pure jackass, and when they loose once Moss will explode, and take the team down with him.
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lol I hope you're joking. Have you ever heard of Wes Welker, aka the team's leading reciever, or Dante' Stallworth? Kevin Faulk? And you give Moss too little credit... one loss isn't going to make him explode, he's having a career year. He might be a douche, but no one is THAT big of a douche.

Melodius Trueheart said:
In any case, the Colts, right now, are a better team than the Patriots or at least they would be at 100%. They actually have offensive balance (not knocking Maroney - he's good, but they don't use him enough), they have a better defense than New England (seriously, I think other than NE the only other team to reach 20 against them was Tennessee, who can beat any team in the NFL just because of Vince Young).
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You mean the guy consistently throwing 40% completions and ~75 yards a game? But yeah, once he removes his head from his ass they'll truly be a force to reckon with.
 
zerowing said:
Key word you use quite often "were." Lets go down that list of teams you are making out to be some of the best, and remember, last year has nothing to do with this year, case in point: the Chargers. 14-2 last year does not reflect to anything this year.

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and believe it or not but the Packers had one of the easiest schedules coming into this year, with them at the bottom half of that chart.

So in short, I am not sold on them at all, but they seem to be winning when they shouldn't, lets see if this continues into the playoffs and the second half of the season, but right now I would be more scared of the Cowboys and Giants right now. Both of whom have something to prove next week.

But I'm not trying to take away from what they are doing, it is great, but you do have to put things into perspective here.
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"14-2 last year does not reflect to anything this year"

"and believe it or not but the Packers had one of the easiest schedules coming into this year"

we arn't connecting somewhere son?

LAST YEAR DOESNT MATTER which means that strength of schedule is bull. And seriously when you look at where we play the hard teams, its pretty intense. We have played all of the good teams away so far, besides the Eagles, who suck tbh. We also play the Cowboys away.

Also there is 1 player that can beat the patriots*, there is one team that can...and it just so happens we won't play them until the ship. Ever heard of my good friend Brett Favre? Greg Jennings? Donald Driver? All day baby all day. Not to discredit the skins im tight with the skins.

Alright heres something i havent heard come up.

MVP-Brett Favre.

Its just that simple. He doesn't have spygate, doesn't have Randy Moss, doesn't have spygate, he doesn't have a running game! I look around at the league and i say why not? Who is better than Favre? The patriots* are good, and look great on paper...but tbh, Rex Grossman (lol) could have 30 TD's with all those weapons. And then you look at Favre... With Greg Jennings, DD, and James Jones. 12 years exp... DD is the best i won't lie and he is easily tougher than Moss is, don't try me there. But James Jones is a rookie and isn't that good, he lost da bears game for us. He got 6 vs the broncos on champ but champ isnt that good either tbh. (lol broncos fans) Greg Jennings has speed, but he can't go over the middle and take shots like DD can. and then you consider that we have no running game. Favre can't take a water break and run the ball while reviewing the opponents plays on spygate. Brett Favre, 4 time MVP.
 
Since last years strength of schedule means nothing lets look at the records of the team they have beat so far to calculate the packs strength of schedule. (3-5, 6-2, 4-4, 3-5, 3-5, 5-3, 3-5, 4-4) 32-34 so they have a below .500 so far and for their opponents the rest of the way: (3-5, 4-4, 6-2, 7-1, 2-6, 0-8, 3-5, 6-2) 28-31 another below .500 schedule the rest of the way. And this years scheduling means they got the AFC West with the overrated chargers, up and down chiefs, shitty raiders, and shitty broncos. The AFC West looks like the NFC West and NFC South - just awful so far.

The packers hope is that the AFC beats the shit out of each other in the playoffs and limps into the superbowl, but then again the pack still has to secure the division against the lions (/sarcasm: they are gods team, how could you ever stop that!), (well they dont have to secure the division with the lions because of wildcard but without homefield in the playoffs i dont see a packer run happening) then get through dallas, giants (with jacobs back), saints are bouncing back, etc. Then once they make it to the superbowl they have to probably play the Colts, Steelers, or Patriots (combined 7-1 against the NFC so far).
 
GB_Packers_Ftw said:
"14-2 last year does not reflect to anything this year"

"and believe it or not but the Packers had one of the easiest schedules coming into this year"

we arn't connecting somewhere son?

LAST YEAR DOESNT MATTER which means that strength of schedule is bull. And seriously when you look at where we play the hard teams, its pretty intense. We have played all of the good teams away so far, besides the Eagles, who suck tbh. We also play the Cowboys away.

Also there is 1 player that can beat the patriots*, there is one team that can...and it just so happens we won't play them until the ship. Ever heard of my good friend Brett Favre? Greg Jennings? Donald Driver? All day baby all day. Not to discredit the skins im tight with the skins.

Alright heres something i havent heard come up.

MVP-Brett Favre.

Its just that simple. He doesn't have spygate, doesn't have Randy Moss, doesn't have spygate, he doesn't have a running game! I look around at the league and i say why not? Who is better than Favre? The patriots* are good, and look great on paper...but tbh, Rex Grossman (lol) could have 30 TD's with all those weapons. And then you look at Favre... With Greg Jennings, DD, and James Jones. 12 years exp... DD is the best i won't lie and he is easily tougher than Moss is, don't try me there. But James Jones is a rookie and isn't that good, he lost da bears game for us. He got 6 vs the broncos on champ but champ isnt that good either tbh. (lol broncos fans) Greg Jennings has speed, but he can't go over the middle and take shots like DD can. and then you consider that we have no running game. Favre can't take a water break and run the ball while reviewing the opponents plays on spygate. Brett Favre, 4 time MVP.
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By that logic, Brady should have won the last 6 MVPs, look at his top reciever for the last 6 years, Troy Brown? Seriously. He got to AFC championship game with Reche Cadwell as his #2 ffs =/

Brady is clearly statistically superior and that's pretty much who'll win the MVP every year.
 
CardsOfTheHeart said:
That's just my opinion, though. I see where everyone else is coming from.

The Patriots still won't go undefeated, though. The Giants may give them problems, and the way the Steelers are playing tonight (35-7 at the half, as of this post), I wouldn't be surprised if New England ends up with 2 losses this season.
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oh...the team that lost to Denver? lawl
Like they could beat the Pats.

and MVP talk..
We all know who is going to get rookie of the year.
 
GB_Packers_Ftw said:
MVP-Brett Favre.
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bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha



oh god stop




ok now that I'm done laughing, let's move on to something serious: MVP's win the award because of stats. Your boy Favre is 8th on the QB rating list, dumbass. That's seven, count 'em, 7 QB's that should win it over him. That includes JEFF GARCIA for christ's sake. "Well rating isn't everything" Well actually it is, but let's just humor you for a second and look at something else:

Favre Brady
8th (93.3) Rating 1st (131.8)
3rd (205) Completions 2nd (219)
2nd (308) Attempts 3rd (299)
6th (66.6%) Comp. % 1st (73.2%)
2nd (2406) Yards 1st (2686)
7th (7.81) YPA 1st (8.98)
2nd (13) TDs 1st (33)
23rd (8) Int 6th (4)

So, uhh.... there's really no disputing that Favre is shit compared to Brady. You can't even say "BRADY ATTEMPTS MORE SO HIS STATS ARE FUDGED" because in fact Favre attempts more and has less completions ._. If you're going to say that MVP factors in record as well, keep in mind that the Patriots won't lose in the regular season and the Packers will lose at least 1 more time. Hell, I'd say Adrian Peterson deserves the MVP more than Favre.

EDIT: That table looked a lot better before all the extra spaces were taken out :/
 
Radke said:
Since last years strength of schedule means nothing lets look at the records of the team they have beat so far to calculate the packs strength of schedule. (3-5, 6-2, 4-4, 3-5, 3-5, 5-3, 3-5, 4-4) 32-34 so they have a below .500 so far and for their opponents the rest of the way: (3-5, 4-4, 6-2, 7-1, 2-6, 0-8, 3-5, 6-2) 28-31 another below .500 schedule the rest of the way. And this years scheduling means they got the AFC West with the overrated chargers, up and down chiefs, shitty raiders, and shitty broncos. The AFC West looks like the NFC West and NFC South - just awful so far.
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That shit is stupid.
You can't talk about who they beat with below average schedules.
If they would have lost all of those it would be
4-4, 7-1, 5-3, 4-4, 4-4, 6-2, 4-4, 5-3. (39-25 looks a lot better than your incorrect math)
and let's point out the rest of the season.
None of those teams have a chance of winning more than losing.
 
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