Unpopular opinions

[Magnus0]

Honestly, Dewott is kind of the bad link because it isn't like croconaw weird, but it really is just not fitting with the rest of the line. Oshawatt is cute and a klutz, Saumoratt is a big strong samauri, but dewott as a mid-stage tries to be a incredibly feirce guy that isn't really good looking, he just ooks off in his designs.

Well, Samurott is definitely the odd one out, because it's based on an entirely different animal than Oshawott and Dewott. It's a sea lion rather than an otter. The Bulbapedia page about its origin is actually really interesting:

Samurott's origin

Origin
While its pre-evolutions are based on otters, Samurott is rather based on a sea lion and an armored samurai.[1][2] While it was decided that Oshawott would be based on an otter, the designers had issues in creating a fully evolved form which was more interesting than just a bigger otter standing on two legs. At that point Yusuke Ohmura went to see real-life otters at an exhibit, but his attention was rather caught by the strength displayed by a nearby sea lion, and thus decided that the fully evolved form would rather be based on the latter animal.[2] Furthermore, to represent the variety in the human population of Unova, it was decided that the evolution families of the starter Pokémon would be based on the West, China and Japan. In the case of the Oshawott family, it had to represent Japan, and thus was based on Japanese samurai.[2] Samurott's inspiration also comes from the lifespan of a samurai, from a child (Oshawott) to a military commander (Samurott).

Samurott's tail may be based on a Japanese war fan. The "helmet" over its head appears to be based on the rare-spined murex shell. The markings on its chest make it reminiscent of a giant otter. Its ability to withdraw, attack with, and return its blade may be a reference to iaido, a Japanese martial art that uses similar swordplay in combat.

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

*Laughs in ugly pig starter that no-one likes but it's the best starter in for the game with flare blitz and like some random mega powerful fighting type move or whatever*

I thought Emboar was widely regarded as trash because lol Arm Thrust tho.

Don't quote me on that, haven't played BW since Gen 5 was the current one.

Fugly ass games.

 

[Bloomer28]

Well, Samurott is definitely the odd one out, because it's based on an entirely different animal than Oshawott and Dewott. It's a sea lion rather than an otter. The Bulbapedia page about its origin is actually really interesting:

Samurott's origin

Origin
While its pre-evolutions are based on otters, Samurott is rather based on a sea lion and an armored samurai.[1][2] While it was decided that Oshawott would be based on an otter, the designers had issues in creating a fully evolved form which was more interesting than just a bigger otter standing on two legs. At that point Yusuke Ohmura went to see real-life otters at an exhibit, but his attention was rather caught by the strength displayed by a nearby sea lion, and thus decided that the fully evolved form would rather be based on the latter animal.[2] Furthermore, to represent the variety in the human population of Unova, it was decided that the evolution families of the starter Pokémon would be based on the West, China and Japan. In the case of the Oshawott family, it had to represent Japan, and thus was based on Japanese samurai.[2] Samurott's inspiration also comes from the lifespan of a samurai, from a child (Oshawott) to a military commander (Samurott).

Samurott's tail may be based on a Japanese war fan. The "helmet" over its head appears to be based on the rare-spined murex shell. The markings on its chest make it reminiscent of a giant otter. Its ability to withdraw, attack with, and ret urn its blade may be a reference to iaido, a Japanese martial art that uses similar swordplay in combat.

Ok, that is really intresting, but I still stand by that dewott looks odd since he' underdesigned in some ares, and trying to be complete opposites at once is kinda hard, and I think it wasn't executed very well. ( There was no way to execute it well )

Edit: DONT @ ME

 

[Sonikku A]

Now Pignite might be ugly, but even it isn't as bad as this

 

[Bloomer28]

Now Pignite might be ugly, but even it isn't as bad as this

IDEAL HUMAN BODY

 

[Tenshi]

Now Pignite might be ugly, but even it isn't as bad as this

^^^^^THIIIIISSSSS
Quilladin is a really shitty pignite clone and the only reason it's not the worst kalos mon is because Braixen is literally the 2nd most furry bait mon after Lopunny.

Lopunny is literally the fucking worst though, so hyper sexualized IN ITS OFFICIAL ART AND SPRITEWORK you can't possibly convince me that wasn't intentionally sexualized when it's an extremely feminine rabbit(yk cause that isn't a mascot of any sex related thing *cough* playboy rabbit) and it's literally covering its chest with its ass out. Gamefreak no.

 

[pokemon4eva]

Maybe is because I was spoiled by the Drayano romhacks, but another typing would have fit Emboar much better. Fire Dark would've been cool, and a good shout out to Nintendo's Prince of Darkness, Ganon.

Now Pignite might be ugly, but even it isn't as bad as this

I like the Chespin line, even my boi Quilladin, it looks like a cute happy pinata chestnut. For a hot take, Braixen is pretty overrated (I say this as a Quilladin fan and Delphox fan), I blame the anime and Pokken for that.

 

[Siggu]

Now Pignite might be ugly, but even it isn't as bad as this

At least it has some charm, (oddly) reminding me of Sparkster, unlike the completely charmless Fennekin line, which is dreadful on all stages.

 

[Sonikku A]

For a hot take, Braixen is pretty overrated, I blame the anime and Pokken for that.

Heh, cuz Fire type
No, Braixen is disgustingly fur bait. Delphox tries to reverse the damage, but then no one liked it cuz they're too busy horning for anime fox girl
Doesn't help the anime and Pokken gave it that voice
I find it negative in light like Primarina. The gender is too human based female, despite being the same for actual gender split like other starters

 

[Tenshi]

Honestly the only bad part about Delphox is its ear fur and even then it has a really nice witch aesthetic imo(I love witch aesthetics, Mismagius is one of my fav ghosts because of it). Braixen is too awful for me to ever try to use Delphox though

 

[Sonikku A]

Honestly the only bad part about Delphox is its ear fur and even then it has a really nice witch aesthetic imo(I love witch aesthetics, Mismagius is one of my fav ghosts because of it). Braixen is too awful for me to ever try to use Delphox though

And Fennekin just has a stupidly large head for such a small body. GF needs to do moderate body designs again, poor things are unbalanced and starved

 

[Magnus0]

if you have to set up 4-6 buffs just to ohko a mon then you're not better than 2 mons that can 2hko most things unboosted

I kind of disagree with this line of thought. I think getting OHKO's with 4-6 boosts is better than 2HKO'ing things unboosted, because you only have to take hits during setup. And most of the time, the lead is the weakest Pokemon on the opponents team. Now, this only works if the setup mon is fast enough to outspeed the opponent's entire team though. For the Snivy line in particular, this shouldn't be an issue.

In major fights with big teams, setup isn't really inefficient either, in terms of turn count. Let's say the opponent has a full team of six, and you need all 6 boosts to OHKO everything. 6 turns setup + 6 turns attacking = 12 turns. Manually 2HKO'ing everything is 2 x 6 - 12 turns as well. The difference here is that the Pokemon that is getting 2HKO's is getting hit at least once by every opposing Pokemon. If it's a slow Pokemon, it actually has to take even more hits. So usually, Pokemon that aren't getting OHKO's aren't sweeping at all without heavy item support.

That's why the Snivy line is so controversial, I think. It's very lopsided, and it works differently than most other starters. It's very much geared towards long, drawn out fights with big teams, rather than route clearing. I like that personally, because it makes the Snivy line unique. I also think having good matchups against major fights is more important than being efficient against random trainers, but that's just personal preference. Everyone values different things in Pokemon.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

I love Quilladin. Just look at it. It's stoked just to be alive. I fucking wish I was as optimistic as Quilladin. It seems fun.

 

[Bloomer28]

Wait, shouldn't tangrowth be able to de-evolve if you delete ancient power, because that;s the sole reason he can evolve, then if you take it away, he should revert back to a tangela or wither and die? Big brain time.

 

[Bakugames]

i would kill for the egg middle stages (pignite, chespin). they look really cute and have lots of charm. fucking orb. peak design.

fennekin is ugly and braixen is too obviously on the "we made this design because we want to profit out of horny people" camp for me. delphox is fine, i wish it was more of an ugly hag witch though, would have looked cool

 

[Cobalt Empoleon]

My unpopular opinion is that a lot of people who view designs like Lopunny’s and Braixen’s as OBVIOUSLY pandering to horny furries are just so terminally online in gaming/anime-related forums that they’ve lost touch with how most people look at Pokémon.

Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.

Braixen’s much more innocuous. I don’t like it’s design because it looks like Fennekin grew an entire body out of its neck, but its only crime is having a few stereotypically feminine features while being based on a fox.

Of course, people can and do find ways to sexualise these Pokémon, but it really doesn’t take much for that to happen to a Pokémon, does it? I don’t understand how people can say with such confidence that GF are ‘pandering to filthy degenerates’ (or whatever vaguely fashy language you wanna use) when those same people would rightly accuse horny people on the internet of finding a way to sexualise pretty much anything.

Also I think people just wanna find another way to bash all furries because they’re the easiest punching bag on the internet. Can’t say I really understand furries, but that doesn’t mean I hate them? Idk maybe I’m just immune to this Puritanism because I’m gay.

 

[Bakugames]

My unpopular opinion is that a lot of people who view designs like Lopunny’s and Braixen’s as OBVIOUSLY pandering to horny furries are just so terminally online in gaming/anime-related forums that they’ve lost touch with how most people look at Pokémon.

Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.

Braixen’s much more innocuous. I don’t like it’s design because it looks like Fennekin grew an entire body out of its neck, but its only crime is having a few stereotypically feminine features while being based on a fox.

Of course, people can and do find ways to sexualise these Pokémon, but it really doesn’t take much for that to happen to a Pokémon, does it? I don’t understand how people can say with such confidence that GF are ‘pandering to filthy degenerates’ (or whatever vaguely fashy language you wanna use) when those same people would rightly accuse horny people on the internet of finding a way to sexualise pretty much anything.

Also I think people just wanna find another way to bash all furries because they’re the easiest punching bag on the internet. Can’t say I really understand furries, but that doesn’t mean I hate them? Idk maybe I’m just immune to this Puritanism because I’m gay.

Im a furry and honestly? They 100% know what theyre doing and this is furry pandering.
Sure, they may not know the actual furry subculture, they may not even know what furry means, but they fully know that these designs are popular, especially with nsfw stuff. And they are right. Its perfect marketing, honestly.
Same reason quite a few of the main female designs tend to lean on "easier to sexualize". Note that im not saying theyre sexual by themselves, but its way easier to make nsfw outta most of them than bg npcs. And even then, not even npcs are safe (if you say that hex maniac design was just a coincidence youre either naive or living under a rock).

This shit sells, getting this stuff to work without compromising age ratings is super smart of them. I hate it though lol

 

[Siggu]

My unpopular opinion is that a lot of people who view designs like Lopunny’s and Braixen’s as OBVIOUSLY pandering to horny furries are just so terminally online in gaming/anime-related forums that they’ve lost touch with how most people look at Pokémon.

For that matter, there's something I'll never understand about Pokémon (and in general), and that's people who dislike something because of what OTHERS might think of it.

So what if others find something like Lopunny "furry bait" as they say? What do you think of it by yourself alone?

(I personally don't really care. Heck, were it not for the entire flame war about it, I'd struggle to remember it exists)

It's as if I started disliking the Snivy line because the fandom sees it as feminine when I don't. Or that vore artwork I still have no idea why it even exists.

 

[Cobalt Empoleon]

(if you say that hex maniac design was just a coincidence youre either naive or living under a rock).

I legitimately don’t even know which Hex Maniac design you’re talking about. I assume the Gen 6 one, I guess? Is it especially easy to sexualise an adolescent girl in a baggy black dress with Mary Janes? Easier than literally any depiction of a woman?

I can’t help but feel that naïveté is relative in this case. Maybe you’re right, but I suspect that many people would react in the same way that I would to that Hex Maniac design (“oh it’s a girl obsessed with spooky stuff”), and if enough people share that perspective, then maybe the designers did too. Is there some other connection or reference I’m missing?

 

[Bakugames]

Is it especially easy to sexualise an adolescent girl in a baggy black dress with ballet flats?

absolutely, especially within japanese culture. I don't want to go "every single part of japan is devoted to sexualizing little girls and theres nothing else", because thats ignorance, but there's no denying that theres a big market for young girls in nsfw, having its own porn category. (The reason for that is way more complex than what a pokémon forum allows and honestly, gets into a lot of nsfw stuff that I think just cannot be talked about here. I dont know the line for these topics, but I feel we're on the limit here).

I can’t help but feel that naïveté is relative in this case. Maybe you’re right, but I suspect that many people would react in the same way that I would to that Hex Maniac design (“oh it’s a girl obsessed with spooky stuff”), and if enough people share that perspective, then maybe the designers did too. Is there some other connection or reference I’m missing?

while not every design that fits the "very sexualized by fandom" is be done by purpose of course, there's quite an art and strategy on making designs that can still be consumed by most people (hence the not affecting age restrictions stuff) while also being easy to make a nsfw fanbase for it. it's just a win-win, because you get that extra attention that porn generates, while also not being the target of when people question it.

It can also be done so often that it becomes routine, something you dont think about, a character trope, if you could say. A lot of what we see in japanese media, for example, that just has that "hmm, suspicious" vibe isnt done exactly on purpose, but became so common that people got accostumed to it, and don't think much about it. There's quite a bit of critique done by some jpn people about it, and the conformism of japan in general, but thats another can of beans (i wish i had beans).

I hope this doesnt come off as "unga bunga japan bad", its just something that i find interessing to research about, especially the japanese perspective of it

 

[Blue glass]

Would it be such a big deal if Lopunny really had boobs? Nidoqueen has them and she jiggles them everywhere in hers Stadium animations, she even goes tits first when using moves like Body Slam on those games, it's hilarious. I don't see a problem with the sexualized mons, it will fly over the head of most kids and it's a sort of adult bonus to us. Let the designers have fun making a sexy roach and a dominatrix fruit.

 

[Tenshi]

Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.

Not really sure how being literally based off of icon of playboy, yk the adult magazine featuring partially nude and nude models, and being in an honestly way too provocative pose(at the very least in the 3d models they made its hands go up to its mouth instead of covering its chest so it's slightly better there) isn't red flags for a game that is largely and nearly exclusively aimed at children(even if there is an older audience it's an objective fact that Pokemon is marketed towards children).

Also I'll note that even as a gay man, Lopunny's overt sexualization is uncomfortable to me given the context of it being in Pokemon. There are plenty of more feminine pokemon that aren't sexual like Lopunny is, Kirlia(you can make the argument if Gardevoir was even supposed to be feminine at all given its japanese name but mega gardevoir very much is and is also a good example of a non sexualized one), gothita line, mawile(and mega), hattrene, Jynx, Roserade just to name a few

Would it be such a big deal if Lopunny really had boobs? Nidoqueen has them and she jiggles them everywhere in hers Stadium animations, she even goes tits first when using moves like Body Slam on those games, it's hilarious. I don't see a problem with the sexualized mons, it will fly over the head of most kids and it's a sort of adult bonus to us. Let the designers have fun making a sexy roach and a dominatrix fruit.

Nidoqueen is explicitly based off the icon an adult magazine and isn't inherently sexualized, having breasts =/= sexual (though on that I will question how Tsareena is even allowed when it's arguably more explicit than Lopunny is)

 

[Pikachu315111]

Pokémon fans always overlook Chikorita's favorable matchups against the last 4 gyms and it drives me NUTS, I can't believe the amount of people on the sim that just cannot comprehend that picking Chikorita doesn't make your fucking cartridge explode.

Meganium's bulk is largely what allows it to perform well mid- and late-game. It beats Jasmine's Steelix (and her Magnemite despite the type resistance). Chuck's Primeape gets beaten by Meganium as well, and his Poliwrath is weak to Petal Dance. Meganium's bulk also allows it to take Ice-type attacks from Pryce's Dewgong and Piloswine and hits all three of his Pokémon for super effective damage with Petal Dance. Finally, Meganium beats Clair's Gyarados and can stall out Clair's Kingdra, even its powerful Hyper Beam, due to its good bulk. Not to mention Grass is an amazing type in Kanto, as usual.

Edit 2: Maybe chickorita IS good in the originals, but just choose something different in HGSS.

The forums ate half of this post so: charmander sucks ass vs brock and if you dont get a mankey in a nuzlocke youre just either ovelevelling or dead.

Or you kept using Ember because Brock's Geodude and Onix have little HP or Special Defense that it doesn't matter if they resist.

What I am saying is, I have no fun catching legendaries.

Oddly I think Let's Go probably gives the "best" Legendary catching experience as you do have to defeat the Legendary first then comes the challenge of trying to catch it which you usually do in a few balls (though there is a timer and it can run away if you're unlucky and have to try again). I've thought of several ways they could make catching Pokemon, specifically Legendaries, more fun; one I thought of recently is that with each Poke Ball thrown, if it fails, it will at least add its modifier number to the catch rate thus each fail ball makes the Pokemon easier to capture. Also Legendaries I think could be given special "boss" battles with different mechanics to make catching it more interesting (also I'd just give them perfect IVs where it matters and a suituable Nature, they're Legendaries afterall so they should be "battle-ready").

This reminds me of Melee Elitists
Outside Twitch, which is cancer for any smash game, I haven't really seen any. It's more ironic when you realize most of the top Melee players also played in tournaments for later games too

I think the only reason many Smash vets hang onto Melee is because they have a netcode mod for Melee which is better than Ultimate's. If Nintendo actually made their netcode good then there would be no reason to stick with Melee (if you're wondering, this was the reason Nintendo sent a cease & desist at the Melee Tournament because they were using an modified version of Melee even though the mod was only for imrpoving netcode; otherwise they don't seem to have a problem with the Melee tournament though I'd imagine Nintendo would prefer them to use the recent game (BTW Sephiroth looks utterly OP broken, lol).

Hey, we Emboar defeners don't take kindly to insults! There us dozens of us, DOZENS!!!

I like the Tepig family, granted I like all the Fire Starters but Emboar never failed me... except the one time I wanted it to one hit Ghetsis's Hydreigon with Hammer Arm but missed so I had to revive it and try again (worked the second time, but would have been epic the first time).

Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.

Well its Mega Evolution looks like its wearing ripped pantyhose if that adds anything.

absolutely, especially within japanese culture. I don't want to go "every single part of japan is devoted to sexualizing little girls and theres nothing else", because thats ignorance, but there's no denying that theres a big market for young girls in nsfw, having its own porn category. (The reason for that is way more complex than what a pokémon forum allows and honestly, gets into a lot of nsfw stuff that I think just cannot be talked about here. I dont know the line for these topics, but I feel we're on the limit here).

... Not only are we on the limit I think you passed it... I think it's best we dropped this subject.

BTW, there's another reason why you may have seen the Hex Maniac sexualized. In XY, there's a Hex Maniac that sells you Moomoo Milk in Dendemille Town. While she doesn't say anything suggestive, the fact that this random Hex Maniac is selling you bottles of Moomoo Milk with seemingly no Miltank nearby has made some fans question where she's getting the milk... and other thinking of some "creative" suggestions.

 

[Bakugames]

I think the only reason many Smash vets hang onto Melee is because they have a netcode mod for Melee which is better than Ultimate's. If Nintendo actually made their netcode good then there would be no reason to stick with Melee (if you're wondering, this was the reason Nintendo sent a cease & desist at the Melee Tournament because they were using an modified version of Melee even though the mod was only for imrpoving netcode; otherwise they don't seem to have a problem with the Melee tournament though I'd imagine Nintendo would prefer them to use the recent game (BTW Sephiroth looks utterly OP broken, lol).

Quick smash thing before i go back to topic: i dont really think so. Melee just has a lot going on for it, its a very complex game with some of the most insane and optimized combo game in the series. It plays pretty differently from ultimate and has its own sets of skill to test.
While most melee players do play ult, such as armada and hbox, they werent interessed in moving to ultimate even when irl tours were happening.
Sephiroth high tier for sure imo. Pikachu busted.

On topic: i dont understand why people want to make luxray a dark type. Because it has black fur? So that means its edgy and edgy = dark type...? Idk, it just doesnt seem to have the flavor for me, but maybe theres dex stuff that make it fit dark type or something.

 

[Pikachu315111]

On topic: i dont understand why people want to make luxray a dark type. Because it has black fur? So that means its edgy and edgy = dark type...? Idk, it just doesnt seem to have the flavor for me, but maybe theres dex stuff that make it fit dark type or something.

Yeah, it's mostly because it looks as edgy as Absol (who, to be fair, also doesn't really have a good excuse to be Dark-type). Though it's Platinum & Gen V dex entries are pretty Dark-type things to do: "It can see clearly through walls to track down its prey and seek its lost young". So not only does it use its x-ray to find its prey, it then uses it to find its young and any other member of that Pokemon's group to also devour.