Fennekin and Charmander are cute wdym
And Pignite and Quilladin are underrated adorably chonky boys
Now Prinplup, Brionne, and Servine? THOSE are some ugly-ass middle-stage starters.
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And Pignite and Quilladin are underrated adorably chonky boys
Now Prinplup, Brionne, and Servine? THOSE are some ugly-ass middle-stage starters.
I dislike humanoid Pokemon for the most part. But I feel it's most annoying when that applies to your starter where you are usually inserting your personality.
Each generation the starter final evolution feel like an actual character like Inciniroar will always be a wrestler and Cinderace will always be a soccer player.
It seems like the trend started with Gen 5, but there you can still argue if they are more humanoid or more the animal they are based on.
Each generation the starter final evolution feel like an actual character like Inciniroar will always be a wrestler and Cinderace will always be a soccer player.
It seems like the trend started with Gen 5, but there you can still argue if they are more humanoid or more the animal they are based on.
Not even after seeing this:
As my my choice of "ugliest" Starter, hmm, it's all subjective of course and generally I have no problem but if I gotta pick:
Base Stage: Grookey (it looks like it's wearing a green morph suit, the arms and feet should have been brown like its tail and ears)
Middle Stage: Combusken (the face could have been done better), Quilladin (it's just a really awkward design), Thwackey (the morph suit got worst!)
Final Stage: Delphox (it's fur robe just looks drab), Inteleon (way too slim)
I agree, I don't mind humanoid designs but they've overdone it with the Starters. GF thinks it gives them relatable personalities but if that's the intention that if you're meant to pick them by which one you relate with more doesn't that limit your choice? Let me decide what I imagine my Starter's personality is, or at the very least don't make the personality trait part of the design.
Just pointin out, you CAN get Pory-Z before you challenge the champion, or even fight Cyrus in Spear Pillar. The Upgrade is found in Eterna City in the Galactic base, and the Dubious Disc is found in the Galactic base in Veilstone. Of course this does require not one but TWO trades, so there is a sort of limitation.
You also need to get lucky and have Backlot fill his Trophy Garden with Porygon.
There is in fact a trainer in Veilstone that will give you a Porygon as a gift Pokemon.
Yes. But this was under the assumption that it was the Platinum Pokédex in the first place. I have HEAVY doubts that they’d show a Pokémon unusable until postgame. Of course, it could be likely that GF could pull a fast one on me, but I’m just gonna go with the mindset that it will be available as a gift pokemon in BD/SP
Oh I was under the assumption that you were referring to the original DP for some reason
That's on me haha
Sorry about that
Also it's a killer dancer, as shown
Rowlet and Dartrix are based off the doctor from Doctor Who. You know... bow tie... also similarish hair. Rowlet also kind of looks like it's wearing the same brown coat as David Tennant. Get it? Doctor HOO?
There's a million ways to disprove my unpopular opinion but I refuse to accept reality.
There's a million ways to disprove my unpopular opinion but I refuse to accept reality.
Current Shiny Charizard is IMO the better shiny for me because come on black is such a cool color, but Gen 2 Shiny Charizard is literally just Ridley from Metroid and I love it for that
While we're on the topic of unpopular Shiny opinions, I don't get why so many people dislike green and pink Shinies. Sure some of them ae actually downright vomit inducing (looking at you Ursaring), but there are a lot of green and pink Shinies that people hate that I love. Probably the biggest example of this for me is Espeon. It's such a nice, deep shade of emerald green, yet everybody compares it to snot. Same goes for Sharpedo; I love that shade of deep magenta, yet everybody hates on it for being pink.
Personally, the worst Shiny color for me is yellow. It's ironic because yellow is my favorite color, and there are some great yellow Shinies (Azumarill and Luxray come to mind). But there's this specific shade of yellow that looks like piss to me, and they slap it on some of my favorite Pokémon. Arcanine, Lucario, and Floatzel had so much potential for cool Shinies, and they literally made them look like they've been drenched in piss. If they had just given them the same deep gold color that they had given Azumarill and Luxray, I would love them. But no; they had to go for piss yellow.
Yeah, when I was tweaking shiny colors, I noticed green was a good highlighter
Christmas tree Chansey and Clefable come to mind
Weird how dark brown is never used for shinies outside Chestnaught....who'd look better if the normal was the shiny
There's also Alolan Raichu, which is also a great Shiny
But yeah, I don't think there are any other brown Shinies aside from those two. I think it's because they used to pick Shinies from computer-generated color palettes, and since dark brown is a mixture of all other colors, it very rarely shows up on computer-generated color palettes.
...Or they want to avoid having Shinies compared to poop :P
Green: The problem with green isn't the color itself but the shade of green they choose. It can easily make the Pokemon look sickly than just it's color is green.
Pink: This is probably due to a lot of blue Pokemon for some reason turning pink during the early gens when they seemingly were using a pallet swapper program for a majority of the Pokemon.
does a mon like regirock count. he is already brown but stays brown.
pink/purple shiny mons are close to my favorite
Catching up. I'm kinda salty I missed the difficulty discussion, but I gotta address another post first.
Impossible. Matter of fact, it has been since at least Gen 2 and I can personally confirm this having attempted to do so hacking Stadium 2.
You can make a couple adjustments while trying to not step on another mon's niche, but even then you need to immediately recognize not all mons are going to be winners. At best you'll be able to give them an identity and hope they'll be fun in the lower tiers.
Pory-Z can be obtainable in DP at the Trophy Garden, it's just post-game. (Unlike in Platinum, Mr. Backlot doesn't run his mouth until you get the Nat. Dex)
Obviously though, it's a potential clue that the Sinnoh Dex is in fact, expanded from the abysmal DP Dex.
There's actually a very simple way to make the battles at least more interesting.
Thematic team building. Game Freak is no stranger to the idea, even in modern times, Kabu is a perfect example of what I mean.
A huge problem with Rom Hacks is that they often fall into the obvious pitfalls of stupid optimized major battles, fully evolved mons when the player doesn't have access to good tools, or alternatively a bunch of pseudos everywhere late-game, level spikes everywhere, and crazy level inflation.
You'll notice that all of these usually promote mindless grinding so that the player can actually push through those. No strategic value whatsoever.
Now let's go back to Kabu. Kabu does have some interesting tricks up his sleeve. Instead of going with a basic hyper offense team, as expected of Fire trainers, his team is designed around spreading burns with Will-O-Wisp.
The result? His team becomes much more interesting because there's a strategic flavor involved. You can't just pull up with any old Rock-type and expect an easy sweep, matter of fact, even a mon like Drednaw, otherwise a hard counter, doesn't want to take a Will-O-Wisp.
Naturally, Game Freak pulled their punches too much and made him a wimp anyway, but there's still value in that approach because they gave Kabu an identity that other leaders, for example, Flannery, didn't have.
Flannery is the exact opposite, her identity is much more in line with the hyper offensive Fire specialist I mentioned earlier, but she still manages to stand out because of her tactic of combining Overheat (and at mid-game that thing is a serious concern) and a White Herb to remove Overheat's drawback.
Impossible. Matter of fact, it has been since at least Gen 2 and I can personally confirm this having attempted to do so hacking Stadium 2.
You can make a couple adjustments while trying to not step on another mon's niche, but even then you need to immediately recognize not all mons are going to be winners. At best you'll be able to give them an identity and hope they'll be fun in the lower tiers.
Pory-Z can be obtainable in DP at the Trophy Garden, it's just post-game. (Unlike in Platinum, Mr. Backlot doesn't run his mouth until you get the Nat. Dex)
Obviously though, it's a potential clue that the Sinnoh Dex is in fact, expanded from the abysmal DP Dex.
There's actually a very simple way to make the battles at least more interesting.
Thematic team building. Game Freak is no stranger to the idea, even in modern times, Kabu is a perfect example of what I mean.
A huge problem with Rom Hacks is that they often fall into the obvious pitfalls of stupid optimized major battles, fully evolved mons when the player doesn't have access to good tools, or alternatively a bunch of pseudos everywhere late-game, level spikes everywhere, and crazy level inflation.
You'll notice that all of these usually promote mindless grinding so that the player can actually push through those. No strategic value whatsoever.
Now let's go back to Kabu. Kabu does have some interesting tricks up his sleeve. Instead of going with a basic hyper offense team, as expected of Fire trainers, his team is designed around spreading burns with Will-O-Wisp.
The result? His team becomes much more interesting because there's a strategic flavor involved. You can't just pull up with any old Rock-type and expect an easy sweep, matter of fact, even a mon like Drednaw, otherwise a hard counter, doesn't want to take a Will-O-Wisp.
Naturally, Game Freak pulled their punches too much and made him a wimp anyway, but there's still value in that approach because they gave Kabu an identity that other leaders, for example, Flannery, didn't have.
Flannery is the exact opposite, her identity is much more in line with the hyper offensive Fire specialist I mentioned earlier, but she still manages to stand out because of her tactic of combining Overheat (and at mid-game that thing is a serious concern) and a White Herb to remove Overheat's drawback.
While I'm here, I have a pretty split opinion (I think). A lot of pokemon are not lazily designed, even the Vanillite line and the Trubbish line. When people say they are kinda lazy, I tend to disagree. When you look at the rest of gen 5, a lot of pokemon have good designs, for example, the Timburr line and the Solosis line. People may say they are far more creative, but then think about how they wanted a literal trash-based pokemon. Notice how Trubbish is only found on Route 5, 16, and 4? The three routes surrounding Nimbasa City, which is a very large city. For Vanillite, they wanted an ice cream pokémon, so they made one. I would even say that the designs aren't lazy even still in Sword and Shield. In fact, I would go so far as to say gen 1 pokemon are generally more lazily designed.
A "simple" way to fix it is, just like the examples you mentioned, by introducing a mechanic. Rather than just taking three/four Pokémon of a type, giving it a TM move, and a higher level than the previous trainers, they should be themed about teaching the player how to deal with a certain mechanic, such as:
- Held items (like Flannery, or Tate & Liza in Emerald)
- Status conditions (like Kabu)
- Weather (like Raihan)
- Spread moves in which one of their Pokémon is immune to (like Tate & Liza in Emerald)
- Terrains
- Speed control
- Misdirection (e.g. Follow Me)
- Type coverage (like Ilima)
Gym Leaders are supposed to be tests for trainers, but most of the time it looks like they are only testing if you know the type chart.
Norman's gym in Emerald seemed to have this idea in mind, but with each trainer having only one mon, it didn't work.
(And the majority of gyms should be double battle oriented, as it's the official format)
I agree with you on this for the most part. I think many designs (especially gen 5 pokemon and inanimate objects) get flack just because people don't like them. They're not necessarily lazy designs (although some definitely are, I'm looking at you klink line), but they're also not always good designs, which is why they get the hate. Also, gen 5 specifically kind of tried to recapitulate gen 1, which resulted in lots of "parallel" pokemon (timburr line = machop line, throh & sawk = hitmonchah & hitmonlee, etc). Imo it's tbh kinda uninspired, but I understand their motives.
In regard to gen 1 pokemon being more lazily designed, I think that has more to do with the simplicity of their designs due to the scope of the franchise and available hardware at the time rather than laziness.
Also works. Making an unique identity for each leader is good, you can even stack some of those concepts.
I don't quite agree with a couple examples because the game in-universe is not a tutorial, but certain things can be applied, especially on the held items, by using more of them.
While a Choice Band is relatively straight-forward, you could have Leaders like say, Piers giving his Toxtricity a Throat Spray to use with Overdrive and Boomburst. That introduces players to some of the most complex item usage instead of "give the ace a Sitrus and call it a day."