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Fair. I'm still not sure if 3 can be called a take though. That statement is either correct or incorrect, there's not really any subjectivity to it.
I can definitely agree with this, it makes sense.
Yes, unpopular opinions and all, but this can be refuted from me just saying "I prefer the gen 5 OST to the (blank gen) OST" and you can't exactly say something to oppose that other than "Well I prefer the (blank gen) OST because it sounds nicer". Now gen 5 definitely isn't the worst or best game, as my statement of the new one always being better than the previous shows how I think it's better than gens 1-4 but worse than gens 6-8.
Makes sense, and I don't have a particular attachment to X and Y so I can't be too sad.
However, think about how the champion is introduced in almost every game. A big event where they do something important, say "I'll see you later", and continue onwards. Otherwise, I have no comment.
The thing about Megas was that when you think about it, they really weren't that interesting. They weren't a bad gimmick, no I found them enjoyable. But as I have said in the past it lacks a lot of things that other features introduced do have.
I can see why you think this, and I think it entirely depends on how GF does it. At the moment, we know basically nothing about it so we can't make many predictions on it. i do think it will be a fun game, but somewhat like Pokemon Snap where certain people will just not like it at all.
Definitely disagree with this. While yes, it is the gen I feel most attached to, I still think that the games are constantly improving on features, making them better than the previous game.
Never played either past a little bit, so I have no comments.
Yeah, true.
This is also fair. I can’t decide if I believe half of the opinions on my list, but then again, that’s what makes them unpopular. Maybe I’ll replace #3 with another stinker.
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Cynthia is a poorly designed Champion who is only popular because the teenage guys who grew up with 4th Gen are a bunch of p**vs
Excuse you, sir, I'll have you know that there's only one Pokémon girl for me, and it's not Cynthia.
In all seriousness, I can see where you're coming from with this one. Cynthia definitely toes the line between fun challenge and too hard to be enjoyable, and she probably also got a significant popularity boost among pubescents by being hot, but I don't think it's fair to attribute all of her popularity in the wider fandom to teenage boys who desperately need to find girlfriends. If nothing else, the Garchomp definitely made an impression on people, and the rest of her team is pretty balanced. My only major complaint with the fight itself is that I think the Garchomp is too much of the difficulty, and the rest of her team feels kinda free in comparison even though they're some of the strongest Pokémon in Sinnoh. I also think her character is more complicated than most people realize.
I can agree with 90% of this, with the other 10% being because I don’t fit into any group of Pokémon fans... before I start dwelling on the truth of that statement (this isn’t the thread for that), I will say one thing.Excuse you, sir, I'll have you know that there's only one Pokémon girl for me, and it's not Cynthia.
In all seriousness, I can see where you're coming from with this one. Cynthia definitely toes the line between fun challenge and too hard to be enjoyable, and she probably also got a significant popularity boost among pubescents by being hot, but I don't think it's fair to attribute all of her popularity in the wider fandom to teenage boys who desperately need to find girlfriends. If nothing else, the Garchomp definitely made an impression on people, and the rest of her team is pretty balanced. My only major complaint with the fight itself is that I think the Garchomp is too much of the difficulty, and the rest of her team feels kinda free in comparison even though they're some of the strongest Pokémon in Sinnoh. I also think her character is more complicated than most people realize.
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I don’t think that phione is the worst mythical. It’s still bad don’t get me wrong, but I think that volcanion and zarude are definitely worse. Not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but phione seems to always be at the bottom of a lot of lists. Also mythicals are legendary’s don’t fight me I’m tired of this debate.
This post is valid, although in my opinion the worst mythical would have to be... hmm. That’s a tough one. Those are good picks though. You probably already knew this, but people don’t like Phione because of how it’s like a Manaphy pre-evolution but also not at the same time.
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Unpopular opinion:
Basically all mythicals are bad. Most are not that creative, and the vast majority are blatant bait for various movies, up to requiring a ticket purchase to access them.
Basically all mythicals are bad. Most are not that creative, and the vast majority are blatant bait for various movies, up to requiring a ticket purchase to access them.
Mew was fun.
Celebi was blatantly just a rip-off of Mew.
Then Gen III came along and added two, Deoxys(which at least had a cool mechanic), and Jirachi, another bland straight-100 pixie.
Gen IV, 4 "ultra-rare" mons. Manaphy/Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin. I'd say some of those should have just been legendary(what is the difference between Darkrai and Cress except utility for tie-ins), but that gen also had a stupid number of legends*.
Gen V gave us Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect. Now we're to the point where they're deliberately locking important stuff behind events. Keldeo is a part of the story of the Swords of Justice, and they made him event-locked. Victini, meanwhile, is specifically an 'I Win button' in both lore and reality, again tied to an event.
Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion. Gen VI at least has the advantage of being weird. Diancie gets a mega, bc sure, why not break one of the only rules of the uber-mechanic. Still not going to admit that Mythicals evolve, even though the dex says Diancie is an evo of Carbink. Hoopa gets a base-680 stat spread in one form, just to blur the lines between Mythicals and Legendaries. And Volcanion gets dragged into Gen VII, because XY were cut incredibly short**. I don't actually hate these, but only because they're so screwed up that it's funny.
VII, we're back to random BS. Magearna, Marshadow, Zeraora. 3 mons that are utterly generic despite being supposedly special, no one would even remember them if they weren't broken as hell.
Pokemon Go, we FINALLY get an evolution after multiple fake-outs. Meltan and Melmetal, which both heavily stretch the definition of Mythical given the distribution and are obvious bait for trying to get people to shift between the core games and Go.
VIII: Well, at least they figured out how to beat dataminers, just add the mons later with a patch. I'd complain about having both DLC and "buy a movie ticket for X" in the same game, but the fact that no one cares about Zarude means I can't care about them charging money for him.
*For reference, in order, the number of legends in each gen: 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 3, 11, 13
**There's also Floette-E, but that's a whole other discussion.
Celebi was blatantly just a rip-off of Mew.
Then Gen III came along and added two, Deoxys(which at least had a cool mechanic), and Jirachi, another bland straight-100 pixie.
Gen IV, 4 "ultra-rare" mons. Manaphy/Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin. I'd say some of those should have just been legendary(what is the difference between Darkrai and Cress except utility for tie-ins), but that gen also had a stupid number of legends*.
Gen V gave us Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect. Now we're to the point where they're deliberately locking important stuff behind events. Keldeo is a part of the story of the Swords of Justice, and they made him event-locked. Victini, meanwhile, is specifically an 'I Win button' in both lore and reality, again tied to an event.
Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion. Gen VI at least has the advantage of being weird. Diancie gets a mega, bc sure, why not break one of the only rules of the uber-mechanic. Still not going to admit that Mythicals evolve, even though the dex says Diancie is an evo of Carbink. Hoopa gets a base-680 stat spread in one form, just to blur the lines between Mythicals and Legendaries. And Volcanion gets dragged into Gen VII, because XY were cut incredibly short**. I don't actually hate these, but only because they're so screwed up that it's funny.
VII, we're back to random BS. Magearna, Marshadow, Zeraora. 3 mons that are utterly generic despite being supposedly special, no one would even remember them if they weren't broken as hell.
Pokemon Go, we FINALLY get an evolution after multiple fake-outs. Meltan and Melmetal, which both heavily stretch the definition of Mythical given the distribution and are obvious bait for trying to get people to shift between the core games and Go.
VIII: Well, at least they figured out how to beat dataminers, just add the mons later with a patch. I'd complain about having both DLC and "buy a movie ticket for X" in the same game, but the fact that no one cares about Zarude means I can't care about them charging money for him.
*For reference, in order, the number of legends in each gen: 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 3, 11, 13
**There's also Floette-E, but that's a whole other discussion.
.... Like what? Not sure what you're even applying. They're also two different kind of "book" characters.
Lucian is presented as a scholarly figure. He reads books to gain knowledge... and that's really it. We don't really know much about him. The manga even was stretched for material, giving him "super book reading" abilities that just so happened what the plot needed at the time. The only other thing I gleamed from his dialogue is that he maybe doesn't read as many stories as he does articles, research essays, and historical stuff. If that's the case, it puts him in stark contrast with Shauntel (furthermore if he likes to read but doesn't really write).
Shauntel is presented as a writer, specifically of stories. When you meet her for a Pokemon League run she's always in the middle of writing an exciting or suspenseful part of her next story. It's not mentioned if she reads a lot of other books, though if she does it's likely other stories or more interesting articles as she's looking for inspiration rather then knowledge. Also her Type specialty may hint at her career: a ghostwriter, aka someone who writes material that's credited to someone else.
Problem with Phione it's literally an inferior Manaphy which is what you need to get one... so why bother getting a Phione aside filling the dex?
BUT not all Legendaries are Mythicals.
Yeah, I got that, but I still don't get the connection.
Like in the Mystery & Conspiracy thread, bdt2002 also mentioned another ship: Falkner & Janine. While I disagreed that the scene in question was a hint to it, I can still see the pairing of the two characters from both a casual glance of the scene as well as looking deeper into their characters & interactions.
But Lucian & Shauntel? It's questionable if they ever interacted, maybe at most Lucian read some stuff written by Shauntel (though being it's alluded she's a ghostwriter who knows if he knows she wrote it and she definitely wouldn't know she read some of her work). Like, I'm sure if they did meet and sat down they would have a lovely conversation about books, but that's really all I see happening. It would take many more encounters for even a remote chance of a romance to occur. Going back to Falkner & Janine, the two live in regions right next to each other and seem to be in general talks with one another (mostly arguments on who's father is better); I can see where a tsundere relationship can form.
Klinklang > Gen 1's trio of penises moles that are really happy to see you only show their heads above ground any day. Cry harder, genwunners.
Allow me to clarify something real quick just so it’s not stressing me out anymore. That whole theme of shipping in those two posts I made was purely coincidental. I had only made those posts because they seemed relevant to each respective thread. I apologize if the topic change upset anyone. it also doesn’t have anything to do with how I wanted to have more of a social life this summer
Now that that’s over with, let’s go back to discussion of these unpopular opinions. First, my take on the Mythical Pokémon debate. Point #1: they do count as Legendaries. It’s kinda like that whole “squares are rectangles but rectangles aren’t squares” thing. Point #2: Mythical Pokémon aren’t always bad by design, but my problem with them is how they’re used as a cash grab for things, notably the movies and the next upcoming game. Since around the late 2000s or so, there’s been around one Mythical released per year. In the years where there aren’t, you get things like Lucario and Zoroark.
Now that that’s over with, let’s go back to discussion of these unpopular opinions. First, my take on the Mythical Pokémon debate. Point #1: they do count as Legendaries. It’s kinda like that whole “squares are rectangles but rectangles aren’t squares” thing. Point #2: Mythical Pokémon aren’t always bad by design, but my problem with them is how they’re used as a cash grab for things, notably the movies and the next upcoming game. Since around the late 2000s or so, there’s been around one Mythical released per year. In the years where there aren’t, you get things like Lucario and Zoroark.
A few short thoughts on some subjects that have recently been discussed here:
Cynthia (and Champions in general)
I don't think Cynthia is poorly designed. Nor do I find her overrated or overhyped. If anything, I think she deserves most of the hype she gets, so I'd say she's "correctly hyped" if such a term exists (if it didn't before, then it does now). I think she's great, and I like her for many reasons. She's a an attractive young woman (I was 16 when D/P were released, so go figure) with a strong and balanced team. I don't recall finding her super difficult in the Sinnoh games, but I did a lot of grinding before the E4 when I played them (IIRC I grinded my teams to 66 in D/P and 60-ish in Platinum) so it's probably not that strange. However, I almost lost against her the first time I faced her in Black. I was seriously underleveled (or rather, she was overleveled) and I had a very hard time beating her with my team. I think I only won thanks to using several Revives.
Another reason I like her is because I find her to be a lot better and more interesting than any of the previous Champions. Let's take a look at them in order:
I always found Blue to be terribly bland and uninteresting in the Kanto games, both as a rival and a Champion. I think there's a lot of potential to make him great, but his story and character development needs to be handled a lot better in order for that to happen.
I feel that Lance is underwhelming, both as a Champion and a Dragon-type trainer, I honestly liked him better when he was just a regular E4 member in the Kanto games. Though I have a lot of negative bias towards most of Gen 2 and Johto, which might also be a contributing factor as for why I just don't find him all that interesting.
Steven and Wallace were okay. I think they were better than Blue and Lance, but I don't find them quite as great as subsequent Champions. In R/S/E at least, OR/AS improved upon them massively.
In comparison to all of them, I think Cynthia was handled way better. Her character is interesting and I think her involvement in the story is well handled as well. She was also the first female Champion in the series, which might be another reason as for why people like her.
Overall, she's one of my favorite Champions in the series. My top 5 Champions are Iris, Alder, Cynthia, Steven and Leon, in that order. Not sure if liking any of them is unpopular though.
Shauntal and Lucian
I have never thought about a ship or a connection between them, but I guess it makes sense. A reader and a writer, it would be a perfect match! As for Shauntal being a "Ghostwriter", I have never thought about that either. The way she is portrayed in the games makes it feel like she is the one writing the books... though I guess they can still be published under somebody else's name.
Klinklang
I agree about Klinklang having a great design. I like it a lot, I used one on my mid-game team in Moon and it was tons of fun! It feels like a highly underrated and underappreciated Pokémon if you ask me.
Mythicals
First of all, I don't think the opinion that mythicals having declined in recent generations (in terms of how they are handled in the games), or the more recent mythicals being cash grabs or Pokémon solely created to advertise the new movies are unpopular opinions. I have seen opinions like those being thrown around a lot, so it feels more like popular opinions at this point. That said, they are still opinions I mostly agree with. I think that mythicals in general were well handled from Gen 1-5, then they have been shafted starting from Gen 6 and forward. With that said, I still like several of the newer mythicals as actual Pokémon. Magearna and Zeraora are two of my overall top favorite mythicals. I like Diancie, Volcanion and Zarude a lot as well. Hoopa and Marshadow are cool too.
About mythicals, perhaps this is an unpopular opinion regarding them? Mew is my least favorite mythical Pokémon. I don't care much for it in terms of design, it feels rather bland and boring to me. The whole gimmick of it being able to learn every move through TM/Tutor has always felt very forced to me. It's lore/backstory in the games is below average if you ask me, there are a lot of unanswered questions but the way they set it up as a "mystery" is pretty poorly handled. And the way GF constantly seems to push it as a "special" Pokémon (way more than any other mythical) has always felt extremely forced to me as well. While I don't dislike Mew, I find it overrated, and I like Mewtwo a lot better than it.
Cynthia (and Champions in general)
I don't think Cynthia is poorly designed. Nor do I find her overrated or overhyped. If anything, I think she deserves most of the hype she gets, so I'd say she's "correctly hyped" if such a term exists (if it didn't before, then it does now). I think she's great, and I like her for many reasons. She's a an attractive young woman (I was 16 when D/P were released, so go figure) with a strong and balanced team. I don't recall finding her super difficult in the Sinnoh games, but I did a lot of grinding before the E4 when I played them (IIRC I grinded my teams to 66 in D/P and 60-ish in Platinum) so it's probably not that strange. However, I almost lost against her the first time I faced her in Black. I was seriously underleveled (or rather, she was overleveled) and I had a very hard time beating her with my team. I think I only won thanks to using several Revives.
Another reason I like her is because I find her to be a lot better and more interesting than any of the previous Champions. Let's take a look at them in order:
I always found Blue to be terribly bland and uninteresting in the Kanto games, both as a rival and a Champion. I think there's a lot of potential to make him great, but his story and character development needs to be handled a lot better in order for that to happen.
I feel that Lance is underwhelming, both as a Champion and a Dragon-type trainer, I honestly liked him better when he was just a regular E4 member in the Kanto games. Though I have a lot of negative bias towards most of Gen 2 and Johto, which might also be a contributing factor as for why I just don't find him all that interesting.
Steven and Wallace were okay. I think they were better than Blue and Lance, but I don't find them quite as great as subsequent Champions. In R/S/E at least, OR/AS improved upon them massively.
In comparison to all of them, I think Cynthia was handled way better. Her character is interesting and I think her involvement in the story is well handled as well. She was also the first female Champion in the series, which might be another reason as for why people like her.
Overall, she's one of my favorite Champions in the series. My top 5 Champions are Iris, Alder, Cynthia, Steven and Leon, in that order. Not sure if liking any of them is unpopular though.
Shauntal and Lucian
I have never thought about a ship or a connection between them, but I guess it makes sense. A reader and a writer, it would be a perfect match! As for Shauntal being a "Ghostwriter", I have never thought about that either. The way she is portrayed in the games makes it feel like she is the one writing the books... though I guess they can still be published under somebody else's name.
Klinklang
I agree about Klinklang having a great design. I like it a lot, I used one on my mid-game team in Moon and it was tons of fun! It feels like a highly underrated and underappreciated Pokémon if you ask me.
Mythicals
First of all, I don't think the opinion that mythicals having declined in recent generations (in terms of how they are handled in the games), or the more recent mythicals being cash grabs or Pokémon solely created to advertise the new movies are unpopular opinions. I have seen opinions like those being thrown around a lot, so it feels more like popular opinions at this point. That said, they are still opinions I mostly agree with. I think that mythicals in general were well handled from Gen 1-5, then they have been shafted starting from Gen 6 and forward. With that said, I still like several of the newer mythicals as actual Pokémon. Magearna and Zeraora are two of my overall top favorite mythicals. I like Diancie, Volcanion and Zarude a lot as well. Hoopa and Marshadow are cool too.
About mythicals, perhaps this is an unpopular opinion regarding them? Mew is my least favorite mythical Pokémon. I don't care much for it in terms of design, it feels rather bland and boring to me. The whole gimmick of it being able to learn every move through TM/Tutor has always felt very forced to me. It's lore/backstory in the games is below average if you ask me, there are a lot of unanswered questions but the way they set it up as a "mystery" is pretty poorly handled. And the way GF constantly seems to push it as a "special" Pokémon (way more than any other mythical) has always felt extremely forced to me as well. While I don't dislike Mew, I find it overrated, and I like Mewtwo a lot better than it.
While I don’t exactly agree with you, I can definitely see where you’re coming from. Mew has probably the least going on visually out of all the mythical’s. As for mewtwo, it’s cool, but I feel that some of its specialness has kind of gone away with all the other artificial legendary’s. Here are some other legendary opinions for this thread:
Ho-oh
I think ho-oh started a trend of legendary Pokémon being more divine. If that’s what Game Freak wants to do then that’s fine, but you’ll either have to make them uncatchable or give some kind of explanation better than “it likes you“. Ho-oh is at least a little more tame than “creator of the universe”, in that it only, y’know, revived the dead! Ho-oh itself is fine, I’m just not a big fan of its impact.
Lugia
If you’re going to give ho-oh godlike powers, then you could at least give lugia something similar. I have heard the story of its creation, originally being created for the movie, and then being incorporated into the games as the other box legendary, replacing some other lion Pokémon, but if they really wanted to put it in the games, they could have kept the lion and made lugia like mewtwo in gen 1. Over all I do like lugia better than ho-oh.
Ultra Beasts
Are they legendarys? Yes. Should they be legendarys? I don’t think so. I absolutely love the ultra beasts but I don’t know if they should even count as Pokémon. They’re aliens from another dimension. I’m not saying that they should have been less powerful, that’s part of why I like them so much. The fact that they on par with our universes gods is terrifying. But putting them among that pantheon just feels wrong, like it’s not doing them justice. I’ve seen people dislike the ultra beasts because they look too alien. Which is understandable, but that’s the point. They’re aliens from another dimension. I’ve also seen people who want ultra beasts that are equivalent to first route Pokémon like pidgey or caterpie. But I think that that’s exactly what we’ve been seeing. Buzzwole and nihilego Are those pidgeys and caterpies. And as I said earlier, that’s the best kind of terrifying. If we’ve only seen the early game stuff, what about an ultra snorlax, gengar, hydraogon, mewtwo! Give me those bst’s in the 10,000! Granted, usum kind of made that less likely, with all the ultra beasts being in their own universe, and poiple basically just being the ultra space equivalent of a stater. Although it’s still my head cannon that eternatis is from ultra space, and that eternamax is basically slowpoke.
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For Gen 4 being a clone of 3....initially I'd honestly say it was far worse
Trading from GBA to DS initially required only being able to do 1 mon every 6-12 hours, so the complaint of Gen 3 dexit technically still applies for most that can't be bothered. And while RS did something unique with 2 teams for version differences, we had none for DP bar version exclusives for mons. And DPs base dex is incredibly terrible, in addition to the fact Gens 3s...not only is more balanced, but also flat out bigger. Then you have drastic speed problems, and worse diversity for tiles, and Girantina flat out being sad for location. Most also were very divisive for the cross evos
Why was 4 better recieved? It was right after the awkwardness for kids in middle school, and the anime was hyping with new legends or Lucario. And noticeably the Dex had a butt tonne of legendaries, including God. It was a resurgence of Pokemania, and the already overrated Gen 2 gets a remake. Gen 3 had FRLG, which without wacky sprites or glitches, kinda shows how bare Gen 1 is in scenery and content (Gen 2 only gets by with duo regions despite both being smaller than OG/FRLG Kanto)
Plat fixed some things (tiles especially), and the villains are given slightly more involvement, but I can't feel attached to Gen 4 overall despite loving EoS. It feels unfair how sacked 3 was for rep
And unfortunately similar to how Late Gen 1/2 Pokemania hype died, it also happened when Gen 4's died, causing people to be more cynical to Gen 5s faults and reboot attempt, not unlike 3. It almost happens for every odd and even numbered region (odd bad, even good), until Gen 8 broke the cycle in being mostly hated by a lotta people
That said, I can't dismiss 3s errors, the main one being how bloated the battle engine became....that continued till now, reliance on external assets, and the color palettes for mons. The anime wasn't doing so well for the TV series either, it was already declining for Gen 2. And the GC games are beyond overrated (not to mention people miscredit HAL when they were the ones that did the mon model/anims, unlike Genius Sonority)
I'm probably less affected by Pokemania given how late I am to the Fandom (like, 2018), but it reminds me of other nostalgic boons in other Fandoms enough for me to say that, it's a shame how this enabled GF to retread back additions with sudden success most of the time
Also GTI's story >> Super's. Super is ripoff down to the final boss, along with the garbage "kindergarten"
I've been meaning to write something along the same lines for a while, though I think of it more as a spiritual sequel than a clone.
Some things which spring to mind:
-Team Galactic's goal is for all intents and purposes identical to Magma/Aqua's; the plots of both games are more or less identical
-there are two different cover legendaries which the evil team awakes, then both are brought together in the 3rd version
-Hoenn and Sinnoh parallel one another in many ways, which accentuates the similarity between the two; Hoenn is tropical and verdant while Sinnoh is cold and mountainous, and Hoenn's mix of land and sea routes contrasts with Sinnoh's very few sea routes
-as mentioned, lots of routes and locations also feel quite similar (not least the tower which became a frontier) and there are some straight-up copies like the creepy old lady on Route 111/228
-both regions feature a lot of back-and-forth and jumping around to different areas as part of the plot, in contrast to, say, Unova, Kalos, and Alola, which are for the most part straightforward
-both games feature the unselected player character as a pseudo-rival, with the real rival being a distinct original character
Given the extent to which the fourth generation innovated (the physical/special split, gender differences, properly implementing form changes as a concept, giving a large amount of underwhelming Pokemon deserved evolutions) it kept a lot static. For all that Masuda claimed prior to release that DP would be "the ultimate Pokemon version" it seems a lot like that was meant more in terms of refining what had already been done rather than creating something entirely new. Gen V really did reinvent the series in a bigger way than any other generation imo.
Cheese (the food) sucks
Oh wait, this is about Pokemon. Then...
I liked Diamond and Pearl gym structure more than Platinum's, The journey between Eterna City and Veilstone City feels much more epic than arriving into Hearthome after beating 5 trainers that are not even neccesary and doing the stupid and annoying Hearthome Gym challenge which I rlly hated. Also Lucario would be a bigger threat if Veilstone were the third gym, and I rlly like Fantina having Drifblim-Gengar-Mismagius instead of Duskull-Haunter-Mismagius. For now we gonna ignore Volkner's Octillery and Ambipom.
Oh wait, this is about Pokemon. Then...
I liked Diamond and Pearl gym structure more than Platinum's, The journey between Eterna City and Veilstone City feels much more epic than arriving into Hearthome after beating 5 trainers that are not even neccesary and doing the stupid and annoying Hearthome Gym challenge which I rlly hated. Also Lucario would be a bigger threat if Veilstone were the third gym, and I rlly like Fantina having Drifblim-Gengar-Mismagius instead of Duskull-Haunter-Mismagius. For now we gonna ignore Volkner's Octillery and Ambipom.
Hearthome Gym in general sucks. Ghost gyms are challenging to build a concept around in fairness, but Morty's gym is more interesting in both iterations than DPP's effort. The maths puzzle in DP is dull and simple for the majority of players (at least they recognised this, since one of the trainers in the wrong rooms calls you out for deliberately taking the wrong room) and I've always found the flashlight maze in Plat to be incredibly tedious and more of a chore than a challenge.
Contrast this with Veilstone Gym (which is legitimately tricky and somewhat interesting in both versions) and the Eterna Gym (which is a cool concept well executed in DP and a completely hideous mess in Plat).
Contrast this with Veilstone Gym (which is legitimately tricky and somewhat interesting in both versions) and the Eterna Gym (which is a cool concept well executed in DP and a completely hideous mess in Plat).
Not to mention completely trivial if you are playing in an inaccurate emulator like NO$GBA.
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Oh good lord, I'd never seen that before. Awful.