You've been able to capture Gimmighouls in Go since the February update
Link the games, send a postcard. Then you get a Coin Bag that spawns Roaming Gimmighoul to catch, lik how the box worked with Meltan.
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Link the games, send a postcard. Then you get a Coin Bag that spawns Roaming Gimmighoul to catch, lik how the box worked with Meltan.
They mention on the Japanese site that you can do this starting with the update.
Which follows with them mentioning it back in February as well, iirc. It was only waiting on Home to be compatible
With all the vagueness of HOME and the move transfers, I choose to be pessimistic and interpret it as there not being any mixing of transfer moves between the Switch games. However this still leads to some different ways gamefreak can handle this depending on the interpretation of what learning a move entails, and if you can learn a move across games that you technically wouldn't have access to in one game alone. Here are some mysterious scenarios I propose. What answers do you think would happen?
1: Does Breloom learn Spore?
The most infamous example of an evolution losing access to a move from its prevolution is the fact that Breloom does not have Spore in its SV learnset. Technically it can store it in its relearn moves if you breed 2 Spore parents together, but people don't really talk about this feature much.
If a Breloom with Spore were to go from Bank to HOME to SV, would it be allowed to retain Spore or have to invent a new moveset entering SV? The answer depends on if Breloom learns Spore. Game Freak recognizes that Breloom can have Spore and has given it to the static Tera Rock Breloom and is legal online, but on the other hand a Breloom can't "learn" Spore if you take it literally. I feel like most people would expect to be allowed to retain Spore in this case, but I also feel like gamefreak would be the type to get rid of all Spores on transfer Breloom. If not though, that leads to another question.
The second question I ask is if a Breloom without Spore goes from Bank to HOME to SV. Should Breloom be allowed to put Spore in its learnset now? For this I feel like it's reasonable to say no. Even if Breloom originally had Spore and forgot it, HOME has no way to know at that point.
With Gen 8 interconnectivity though, this leads to the question of if you send a Breloom from SV to BDSP. Since Breloom has natural access to Spore in BDSP, you would think that Breloom would be allowed to add Spore to its BDSP moveset, and even if not you could just go into BDSP and relearn it yourself. So now your Breloom has learned Spore in BDSP. What happens if you send it back to SV now and HOME sees that it has learned Spore? Does this allow for any Breloom to gain Spore in its moveset as long as you have access to BDSP, or is Breloom's original SV moveset already set in stone in HOME due to originating from SV, and are these HOME moveset adjustments only applicable when entering a game for the first time? Is a BDSP-native Breloom treated differently from a Breloom who has gone through Home and back to learn Spore? The answers to all these questions will decide if the future of Spore Breloom will allow all Breloom to learn Spore or completely block all past Breloom from bringing Spore in.
2: Can Hisuian Decidueye learn Astonish?
In SV, Astonish is not part of Hisuian Decidueye's learnset, and the same goes for Soak on Samurott. However, Astonish is part of Rowlet and Dartrix's learnset. This raises the question of if Hisuian Decidueye actually learns Astonish in SV if its prevolutions do, but those prevolutions can't actually evolve into Hisuian Decidueye in SV. Is the intent to remove Astonish from Hisuian Decidueye's learnset by intentionally forcing you to move into a different game where Rowlet does not learn Astonish? Of course, assuming relearn moves persist, then you could breed an Astonish Rowlet and evolve it in PLA and relearn Astonish in SV to get your own Astonish Hisuian Decidueye. Technically part of this question can also apply to egg moves, but those can probably be Mirror Herbed so I guess that does imply that prevolution learnsets are still canon to evolutions that you can't evolve into.
3: Can a non-hatched SV Pikachu learn Volt Tackle?
The only way for Pikachu to have Volt Tackle in Gen 8/9 is to breed Pichu while holding a Light Ball. This isn't a regular egg move so you can't even Mirror Herb or egg move transfer it in Gen 8/9. This means that events like Flying Pikachu and Unrivaled Pikachu cannot have Volt Tackle, until now. Back in Gen 7 Volt Tackle became a move tutor move, and in PLA Volt Tackle is similarly available from the move tutor shop, so theoretically you could bring the Flying Pikachu to PLA and teach it Volt Tackle. If you brought it back, would SV accept it as having learned Volt Tackle even without being hatched as a Pichu or having it from the event distribution? Would PLA-native Pikachu be allowed to have Volt Tackle? The answer depends on if Volt Tackle is treated as a move that Pikachu can "learn" or had to be born with, like Spore on Breloom but with more limitations.
Another minor question I have that doesn't really have to do with this: Can Ash-Greninja have Froakie's egg moves transferred to it? This is probably testable but I'll leave it here because it's another mystery. On one hand it is basically a separate mon that can't be bred, but on the other hand it is still a form of Greninja so I think it would be able to.
Overall I think it would make sense for the answers to these questions to be yes, but I feel like gamefreak would find some way to make the answer no because they have something against Spore Breloom.
EDIT: Speaking of Flying Pikachu, this also raises the question if Pikachu can learn Fly with the precedence of that event existing, or if other event mons can learn Celebrate for the purposes of older events being transferred into SV with those moves, though I don't expect these to be retained.
EDIT 2: Also, does Smeargle learn moves other than Sketch or does Sketch count as learning a move? Will a Smeargle from Bank transferred into BDSP be allowed to retain the moves it had that existed in BDSP?
1: Does Breloom learn Spore?
The most infamous example of an evolution losing access to a move from its prevolution is the fact that Breloom does not have Spore in its SV learnset. Technically it can store it in its relearn moves if you breed 2 Spore parents together, but people don't really talk about this feature much.
If a Breloom with Spore were to go from Bank to HOME to SV, would it be allowed to retain Spore or have to invent a new moveset entering SV? The answer depends on if Breloom learns Spore. Game Freak recognizes that Breloom can have Spore and has given it to the static Tera Rock Breloom and is legal online, but on the other hand a Breloom can't "learn" Spore if you take it literally. I feel like most people would expect to be allowed to retain Spore in this case, but I also feel like gamefreak would be the type to get rid of all Spores on transfer Breloom. If not though, that leads to another question.
The second question I ask is if a Breloom without Spore goes from Bank to HOME to SV. Should Breloom be allowed to put Spore in its learnset now? For this I feel like it's reasonable to say no. Even if Breloom originally had Spore and forgot it, HOME has no way to know at that point.
With Gen 8 interconnectivity though, this leads to the question of if you send a Breloom from SV to BDSP. Since Breloom has natural access to Spore in BDSP, you would think that Breloom would be allowed to add Spore to its BDSP moveset, and even if not you could just go into BDSP and relearn it yourself. So now your Breloom has learned Spore in BDSP. What happens if you send it back to SV now and HOME sees that it has learned Spore? Does this allow for any Breloom to gain Spore in its moveset as long as you have access to BDSP, or is Breloom's original SV moveset already set in stone in HOME due to originating from SV, and are these HOME moveset adjustments only applicable when entering a game for the first time? Is a BDSP-native Breloom treated differently from a Breloom who has gone through Home and back to learn Spore? The answers to all these questions will decide if the future of Spore Breloom will allow all Breloom to learn Spore or completely block all past Breloom from bringing Spore in.
2: Can Hisuian Decidueye learn Astonish?
In SV, Astonish is not part of Hisuian Decidueye's learnset, and the same goes for Soak on Samurott. However, Astonish is part of Rowlet and Dartrix's learnset. This raises the question of if Hisuian Decidueye actually learns Astonish in SV if its prevolutions do, but those prevolutions can't actually evolve into Hisuian Decidueye in SV. Is the intent to remove Astonish from Hisuian Decidueye's learnset by intentionally forcing you to move into a different game where Rowlet does not learn Astonish? Of course, assuming relearn moves persist, then you could breed an Astonish Rowlet and evolve it in PLA and relearn Astonish in SV to get your own Astonish Hisuian Decidueye. Technically part of this question can also apply to egg moves, but those can probably be Mirror Herbed so I guess that does imply that prevolution learnsets are still canon to evolutions that you can't evolve into.
3: Can a non-hatched SV Pikachu learn Volt Tackle?
The only way for Pikachu to have Volt Tackle in Gen 8/9 is to breed Pichu while holding a Light Ball. This isn't a regular egg move so you can't even Mirror Herb or egg move transfer it in Gen 8/9. This means that events like Flying Pikachu and Unrivaled Pikachu cannot have Volt Tackle, until now. Back in Gen 7 Volt Tackle became a move tutor move, and in PLA Volt Tackle is similarly available from the move tutor shop, so theoretically you could bring the Flying Pikachu to PLA and teach it Volt Tackle. If you brought it back, would SV accept it as having learned Volt Tackle even without being hatched as a Pichu or having it from the event distribution? Would PLA-native Pikachu be allowed to have Volt Tackle? The answer depends on if Volt Tackle is treated as a move that Pikachu can "learn" or had to be born with, like Spore on Breloom but with more limitations.
Another minor question I have that doesn't really have to do with this: Can Ash-Greninja have Froakie's egg moves transferred to it? This is probably testable but I'll leave it here because it's another mystery. On one hand it is basically a separate mon that can't be bred, but on the other hand it is still a form of Greninja so I think it would be able to.
Overall I think it would make sense for the answers to these questions to be yes, but I feel like gamefreak would find some way to make the answer no because they have something against Spore Breloom.
EDIT: Speaking of Flying Pikachu, this also raises the question if Pikachu can learn Fly with the precedence of that event existing, or if other event mons can learn Celebrate for the purposes of older events being transferred into SV with those moves, though I don't expect these to be retained.
EDIT 2: Also, does Smeargle learn moves other than Sketch or does Sketch count as learning a move? Will a Smeargle from Bank transferred into BDSP be allowed to retain the moves it had that existed in BDSP?
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So, there might be a way to answer this for you in a roundabout way without assistance from hackers: The nearest testable neighbor to this would be the Cap Pikachu. It's still a Pikachu. And since the caps are all in SWSH we can use the Nursery Method!
Which took an annoying amount of time since I had to breed a PIkachu which meant breeding a Pichu then evolving it but thankfully soothe bell + some candy got it evolved. And then remember that move deleter services were at the Pokemon Center. And also unlike the Mirror Herb method it is not instant (found that one the hard way and 1000 pokedollars later...) and according to Serebii or Bulbapedia requires "a short bit of time". ANYWAY, a lot of biking later the answer...was....yes! I was able to pass Charge from the bred Pikachu to my Cap Pikachu.
Following from that, Battle Bond Greninja should be able to do the same
Thanks, that makes sense.
In the meantime I've gone too deep with these HOME marketing pictures. The korean site still hasn't updated and I know they usually have some high quality pictures but for now I've basically gone through all the other pages.
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/ja/features/01/
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/tc/features/01/
On the Japanese version of this website, this example is of a Mimikyu. On the Chinese equivalent, this instead shows the HOME gift Pikachu. It turns out that this image is just a cropped version of the same Pikachu on that other page showing the new mobile UI.
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/assets/img/tc/features/01/img_SP_02.png
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/assets/img/tc/features/02/img_SP_01.png
What's even worse is that they have a perfectly good photo of the real HOME Pikachu here that was redeemed on March 21 2023 so they've had it at least and updated at some point from March to now. Also based on the times you can see that the SC version was taken a minute before the TC version but I don't want to get into comparing times right now.
There is also a list of the full box view on the Japanese page that seems the same as the Chinese versions so I don't think that was updated, but I noticed that they use a different Level 10 Pikachu and in the Chinese versions it even has a Japanese name still.
There is a howto page that shows a Switch home menu with Violet, and also a higher quality version of this same screenshot in the Japanese version.
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/ja/howto/
However, on the Chinese versions, you get this screenshot:
It's the Level 5 Pikachu gift from the other page. You can even tell it's the same one, because on that screenshot from before there's an R button to go to Stoutland on the right, and this screenshot shows a Stoutland to the right of it! Why not put this image on the page with the same Pikachu that you're actually showing? You can also spot some GO icons in the bottom right there of some pink and blue mons.
I looked around on the other pages and found out that they did update the Pokemon HOME points page to show the LP conversion rate is 10 LP for 1 Home point, so that's some new news for this post.
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/sc/features/15/
I also found it interesting that their Pokemon GO username is HOME20200212. I guess it was named after the release date of HOME but it feels a little late for that when GO support was added 9 months later.
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonhome/ja/titles/pokemongo/
Where did you get the English screenshots from?
I got them from the press page.
https://press.pokemon.com/en/releases/NEW-UPDATE-TO-POKEMON-HOME-COMING-SOON
There's also the international press page for other languages though they don't have much differences.
https://pokemon.gamespress.com/
I'm still wondering how people were able to use Expanding Force Hatterene in VGC battles in SV (as well as Dual Wingbeat Dragonite and Burn Up Arcanine) without the game flagging it as illegal as they were hacked in moves - for me, that was the big indication that transfer moves were coming back but apparently not.
I imagine they'll all be tutor moves in the DLCs, but it's such a crazy oversight that GF missed making them technically legal now.
I imagine they'll all be tutor moves in the DLCs, but it's such a crazy oversight that GF missed making them technically legal now.
We don't actually know they aren't, just that they're adding a move relearner to Home.
Did Niantic have to cover for TPC this week or something? Borked raid battles and PR errors are something I expect from Pokemon GO, not the brand as a whole.
The entire institution of transferring has become a rotting infected wound on the reputation of the series. I don't know why they are incapable of making a functional service that is anything more than a scam, but they just aren't.
Amputate this diseased limb and be done with it. It's over.
Amputate this diseased limb and be done with it. It's over.
I have to wonder if the raid screwing up is what caused them to possibly reschedule it? Needing to mess around with the internals of SV might require them to tweak the Home code.
The issue with the Paradox raids was the raid tables didn't properly exclude materials, so it gave "none" materials and that caused the game to crash
Fixing that is on fixing the raid tables, it doesn't matter to Home at all.
There was never a date in the Japanese side of things that I can tell, so I think this was purely a TPCi fuck up.
I dick ride more than I should for this company but the constant shit storm that we have had to put up with from this TPCi since November is really grating. We've had a game that performed poorly, game breaking bugs, glitchy raids, glitchy online battles and various other issues - and now they've delayed HOME which did feel like a little shining light throughout this exhausting journey. It's really frustrating to be a fan of a franchise who keep repeatedly messing up.
I'm not a "wow GF so lazy boycott boycott" person by any means, but their apologies are always ass - at least give us some good free stuff to tide us over - Apriballs, money, various item packages - there's a few things they can do to try and make it up to us, hell even like give us Legendary Raids or something, but it's always an apology, here's a patch and then that patch contains something else that's wrong. Not only does it frustrate fans but it's going to start tarnishing their public image. So much of Pokémon's content lately has been incredibly broken. GO, their TCG game, their main series games.. like.. nothing is working as intended.
With HOME they've had now had 7 months to pull it together, certain people have confirmed that HOME v3 is actually ready to go, so it's more than likely a nasty bug that's caused the issue, which is crazy that they're doing bug testing 5 days before the release.. someone's probably gonna quote this to try and disprove that this is how games work etc or whatever but I just think that it's incredibly poor behaviour from a huge corporation (I shouldn't expect anything else!)
Ik it's not that deep, but lol.. I'm annoyed with them! boo hiss @ TPCi
I'm not a "wow GF so lazy boycott boycott" person by any means, but their apologies are always ass - at least give us some good free stuff to tide us over - Apriballs, money, various item packages - there's a few things they can do to try and make it up to us, hell even like give us Legendary Raids or something, but it's always an apology, here's a patch and then that patch contains something else that's wrong. Not only does it frustrate fans but it's going to start tarnishing their public image. So much of Pokémon's content lately has been incredibly broken. GO, their TCG game, their main series games.. like.. nothing is working as intended.
With HOME they've had now had 7 months to pull it together, certain people have confirmed that HOME v3 is actually ready to go, so it's more than likely a nasty bug that's caused the issue, which is crazy that they're doing bug testing 5 days before the release.. someone's probably gonna quote this to try and disprove that this is how games work etc or whatever but I just think that it's incredibly poor behaviour from a huge corporation (I shouldn't expect anything else!)
Ik it's not that deep, but lol.. I'm annoyed with them! boo hiss @ TPCi
As someone playing Go, it's generally working as intended, it's just that the developers intend something not remotely fun for most of the playerbase. It's almost the opposite of GF where Niantic has the means to make the game better and chooses not to, vs GF/TPCi who can't seem to do it right to begin with
