2v2 2v2 Doubles

[Mubs]

Hey, after some time discussing within the council, we've decided to add Krytocon and Kaif! Congratulations to both; I hope these additions will help us be better equipped to handle the upcoming DLC drops.

As for the DLC drops, I started some discussion last night on a preliminary banlist; what we'll start with as PS implements the new Pokemon and moves. Here's my proposed banlist, though do remember - it's not final:

Proposed Banlist

Bans: Mewtwo, Jirachi, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem-White, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma-Dusk Mane, Necrozma-Dawn Wings, Magearna, Marshadow, Melmetal, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Focus Sash, Perish Song, Final Gambit, Power Construct

Bans:

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Ban locks

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I don't really think I need to give a reason why this Pokemon should be banned - they're box legendaries and are obscenely broken on paper, besides maybe Zygarde-C, but that's a stretch.

Iffy but probably not worth it

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Magearna, although mentioned quite a bit with the way it was banned from 2v2 being our prior connection with the banlist of DOU, is not worth it in my opinion. Soul Heart, an amazing movepool, combined with arguably the best typing in Pokemon just seems too much for this metagame. Sure, we have actual Fire- and Ground-types that can hit it with the upcoming DLC. but I don't think it'll be enough to contain the onslaught that its place in the metagame would ensue.

Unbans / Pokemon I'd like to see before I make a decision:



With all the DLC theorymoning we've done in the last weeks, Tapu Lele has stood out considerably among the rest. On paper, Its newfound access to Expanding Force coupled with its good typing, speed, and ability to prevent priority make it a menace to play against, especially with partners such as Alakazam. I personally would like to see how the DLC metagame progresses - whether it can adapt to it or not - before jumping to conclusions on whether it's broken or not.



Kyurem-Black came back with the release of Pokemon Home a few months ago where it was extremely obvious how much better it was than the rest of the metagame. With the new additions that are coming with DLC2, I'd like to see how it does.


By the way, 2v2PL II was just recently approved! We're a go for November 1st as manager signups and November 8th as player signups. Hope to see you all sign up. Anyways, thanks for reading and have a nice day. Mubs out.

 

[The Immortal]

PSA: 2v2 Doubles now has a permanent ladder!

 

[Morgan]

Video on DLC

 

[Vrji]

My first impressions regarding the DLC:

The Meta:
The Meta definitely seems fun to play, maybe this is because of its short time out but it definitely feels much less centralized than the DLC1 meta. The variety of available options and teamstyles resembles SM, but is entirely unique from it.

Some Key Mons:
The Tapus:
Tapu Koko, having received neither Rising Voltage nor Play Rough, is basically back doing exactly what it did in SM, being a fast offensive utility mon. As purely a terrain setter on eterrain teams it's strictly outclassed by Pincurchin who is slower than all other setters and also bulkier, but the combination of speed and utility make Tapu Koko a decent mon in its own right.

Tapu Lele is not banworthy, though it might have been had it gotten eforce. As purely a terrain setter it's technically outclassed by Indeedee-F thanks to its support moves, however with support of its own from pokemon such as Clef, or under Tornadus' Tailwind, it's a very powerful offensive menace, but I don't think it's too much. Most steel types do well against it provided they don't lose to Focus Blast, and other setters (mainly Rillaboom) do a good job of invalidating Lele as well.

Tapu Bulu scandalously got neither Grassy Glide nor Play Rough and is therefore entirely outclassed by Rillaboom.

Tapu Fini is still devilishly bulky, but I'm not sure how it stands in relation to the more powerful Primarina. Time will tell if it's worth anything.

The New Regis:
Regieleki is fast enough to comfortably outspeed benchmarks such as Kingdra in rain, and its Rising Voltage is absolutely deadly to anything that isn't a ground type in the not-hard-to-set electric terrain, but it's movepool is obviously garbage. How well it will do depends on how viable ground types (and zera) will be, but in general highly specialised mons like this have a higher chance at success in 2v2 than in other formats (see zam previously), so I have pretty high hopes for the bouncy boi.

Regidrago's Dragon Energy is an absolute nuke, but it's way slower than eleki. It does have weird coverage options like Fire Fang but being forced to run mixed on a mon already struggling in the speed department isn't a great thing. It'll probably have a nice niche on Tailwind teams as an unconventional nuke, but the speed issue will probably hold it back from success on other kinds of teams.

KyuB:
KyuB is... very good. Its bulk is still ludicrous for its offensive power on both ends of the spectrum, however the loss of HP Fire means genesect and other steel types can now be considered counters. I'm not entirely sure if it's suspect worthy or not, but it's something to look out for.

Genesect:
Genesect is good, but not because it's unpredictable, it can only really run av or life orb or scarf with basically identical moves. It's nice to have a good steel special attacker in the meta that isn't utterly unbeatable, in my opinion it's healthy.

Calyrex & the Horses:
Calyrex is literally unviable, Ice Horse is fun on TR, Ghost Horse is Pult with no moveset, and the fusions are funny to look at.

Potential Unbans:
Power Construct:
Zygarde-Complete is probably still way too good, outside of Genesect's Ice Beams the meta seems ill-equipped to handle this bulky beast. It might potentially be worth a thought, not more though in my opinion.

Magearna:
I still belive Magearna can be balanced, although it's hard to tell if it actually is. Heatran exists and is a counter, and it doesn't really have a great way of dealing with Genesect either. Final gambit is also banned now, which was one of the concerns before. I very much think this is worth testing, which is all I can say with the current information available.

Melmetal:
The stats on this thing are still way too insane, also DIB in TR flinches everything. I don't think anyone wants this stupid mon unbanned.

KyuW:
This mon is basically what if KyuB beat every steel type instead of losing to them. It's best to not touch this thing.

Final Thoughts:
Mubs Out.

 

[ArcticBreeze]

My thoughts on Regieleki,

(Give Likes). There are definitely some issues with the video quality, but its no too bad.

 

[Mubs]

Within a week or so of playing in ladder and room tournaments, the metagames' been pretty stable. Nothing really strikes me as obscenely broken, though the best mon right now is undoubtedly Kyurem-Black due to its power and versatility. With the stability we've had, I think it's worth starting to work on resources. Here's what we have right off the bat:

VR List - Subject to change

Great:

• Cresselia
• Genesect
• Kyurem-Black
• Landorus
• Suicune
• Tapu Lele
• Tornadus
• Zygarde

Good:

• Alakazam
• Amoonguss
• Dracovish
• Heatran
• Incineroar
• Indeedee-Female
• Kartana
• Kingdra
• Landorus-Therian
• Politoed
• Porygon2
• Primarina
• 
  Regidrago
• 
  Regieleki
• Rillaboom
• Tapu Koko
• Tapu Fini
• Urshifu
• Victini
• Volcanion
• Volcarona
• Zeraora

Viable:

• Diancie
• Entei
• Dracozolt
• 
  Glastrier
• Pincurchin
• 
  Spectrier
• Hatterene
• Tapu Bulu
• Togekiss
• Tyranitar
• Whimsicott

Preliminary Sample Teams

Standard Regidrago by Lkjc


Double Life Orb + AV KyuB by Lkjc


VG Entei by Le Creme Brule


Tapu Lele Offense by Vrji


DracoNido Tailwind by Vrji


Huge shoutout to VR council and Sample team QC for helping develop these, along with the people playing for helping us test.

If you haven't already noticed, 2v2 Doubles Premier League II is about to begin its signups, so stay tuned for that. s/o momo! for making this amazing banner.

Anyway, that concludes my 69th post in the 2v2 thread. As always, thanks for reading, and have a nice day. Mubs out.

 

[IBM]

Mubs vr is kinda quirky Don’t mind if I make some edits


Great:

Genesect
Indeedee-Female
Kyurem-Black
Rillaboom
Suicune
Tapu Fini
Tapu Lele
Urshifu
Tornadus

Good:

Diancie
Dracovish
Entei
Heatran
Incineroar
Kartana
Landorus
Pincurchin
Politoed
Primarina

Regieleki
Talonflame
Victini
Volcanion
Volcarona
Whimsicott
Zapdos
Zeraora
Zygarde

Viable: (red is unviable I didn’t want to make a new category)

Alakazam
Amoonguss
Cresselia
Dracozolt

Glastrier
Kingdra
Landorus-Therian

Regidrago

Spectrier
Hatterene
Porygon2
Tapu Bulu
Tapu Koko
Thundurus
Togekiss
Tyranitar

Ok have a good day everyone, especially vr council I love you guys

 

[ArcticBreeze]

Great:

• Genesect
• Tapu Fini
• Kyurem-Black
• Tapu Lele
• Zygarde
• Urshifu
• Incineroar

Good:

• 
  
• Cresselia
• Suicune
• Tornadus
• Amoonguss
• Indeedee-Female
• Kartana
• Landorus-Therian
• Porygon2
• 
  Regieleki
• Rillaboom
• Entei
• Victini
• Volcanion
• Volcarona
• Zeraora
• Landorus
• Blaziken
• Diancie
• Zapdos

Viable:

• Dracozolt
• 
  Glastrier
• Pincurchin
• Heatran
• Hatterene
• Tapu Bulu
• Togekiss
• Tyranitar
• Whimsicott
• 
  Regidrago
• Primarina
• Alakazam
• Politoed
• Kingdra
• Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
• Talonflame

Mons on the list that I want to remove

• Tapu Koko
• Dracovish
• 
  Spectrier

 

[IBM]

More resources no one asked for:

Post DLC Speed Tiers​

Speed Tiers (Very Long)

Key
Min Speed = 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Uninvested = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Standard = Sets compendium sets for top meta mons
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.

Bolded text will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks.

Min Speed Stakataka: 27
Min Speed Pincurchin: 31
Min Speed Torkoal, Ferrothorn: 40
Min Speed Dusclops, Gigalith: 49
Min Speed Hatterene: 56
Min Speed Glastrier, Snorlax: 58
Min Speed Bronzong: 63
Uninvested Pincurchin: 66
Uninvested Ferrothorn, Min Speed Rhyperior: 76
Min Speed Vikavolt: 81
Min Speed Conkeldurr: 85
Uninvested Gigalith: 86
Min Speed Diancie, Sableye, Azumarill: 94
Uninvested Amoonguss, Glastrier, Snorlax: 96
Uninvested Clefairy: 106
Min Speed Incineroar, Primarina, Oranguru, Porygon2, Aegislash, Abomasnow: 112
Min Speed Tyranitar, Uninvested Gastrodon: 114
Min Speed Pelipper: 121
Uninvested Vikavolt: 122
Uninvested Conkeldurr: 126
Uninvested Diancie, Chansey, Azumarill, Tangrowth: 136
Min Speed Heatran: 143
Min Speed Necrozma: 146
Min Speed Regidrago: 148
Uninvested Scrafty: 152
Uninvested Incineroar, Porygon2, Grimmsnarl, Weezing-G, Primarina, Sylveon, Abomasnow, Magnezone: 156
Min Speed Indeedee-F, Rillaboom, Cresselia: 157
Uninvested Tyranitar, Celesteela: 158
Uninvested Scizor, Pelipper: 166
Standard Slow Incineroar: 168
Uninvested Corviknight: 170
Uninvested Bisharp, Hitmontop, Metagross, Volcanion: 176
Standard Fast Incineroar: 178
Uninvested Tapu Bulu: 186
Fast Conkeldurr: 189
Uninvested Heatran: 190
Uninvested Blastoise: 192
Uninvested Necrozma, Buzzwole: 194
Uninvested Togekiss, Goodra, Regidrago: 196
Uninvested Milotic: 198
Negative Nature Kyurem-Black: 203
Uninvested Kommo-o, Indeedee-F, Rillaboom, Cresselia, Suicune, Tapu Fini: 206
Uninvested Rotom Formes: 208
Uninvested Mr.Mime, Moltres-G: 216
Uninvested Landorus-T: 218
Fast Grimmsnarl, Weezing-G, Primarina, Sylveon, Abomasnow, Magnezone: 219
Uninvested Kyurem-Black, Zygarde: 226
Fast Scizor, Sirfetch'd: 229
Uninvested Entei, Zapdos, Victini: 236
Fast Mantine, Bisharp, Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Metagross, Volcanion: 239
Fast Malamar: 245
Fast Drednaw: 247
Fast Dracovish, Dracozolt, Tapu Bulu, Toxtricity: 249
Max Speed Sirfetch'd: 251
Fast Heatran: 253
Fast Blastoise: 255
Fast Necrozma, Buzzwole: 257
Uninvested Tornadus, Thundurus: 258
Fast Venusaur, Passimian, Braviary, Chandelure, Blaziken, Regidrago: 259
Fast Gyarados, Milotic: 261
Max Speed Mantine, Bisharp, Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Metagross, Volcanion: 262
Uninvested Whimsicott: 268
Fast Kingdra, Kommo-o, Rillaboom, Suicune, Tapu Fini, Nidoking: 269
Max Speed Drednaw, Rotom Formes: 271
Max Speed Dracovish, Dracozolt, Tapu Bulu, Toxtricity: 273
Fast Excadrill: 275
Max Speed Heatran: 278
Fast Mr.Mime, Porygon-Z, Lilligant, Moltres-G: 279
Fast Landorus-T: 281
Max Speed Necrozma, Buzzwole: 282
Fast Krookodile: 283
Max Speed Venusaur, Passimian, Braviary, Chandelure, Blaziken, Regidrago: 284
Max Speed Gyarados: 287
Uninvested Talonflame: 288
Fast Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, Zygarde, Tapu Lele, Silvally Formes, Indeedee-M: 289
Fast Urshifu Formes, Haxorus, Morpeko: 293
Max Speed Kingdra, Kommo-o, Rillaboom, Suicune, Tapu Fini, Nidoking, Fast Hydreigon: 295
Fast Genesect: 297
Max Speed Rotom Formes: 298
Fast Volcarona, Charizard, Ninetales, Entei, Zapdos, Zapdos-G, Victini: 299
Fast Landorus, Thundurus-T: 301
Max Speed Excadrill: 302
Fast Garchomp: 303
Fast Nihilego: 305
Max Speed Porygon-Z, Lilligant, Moltres-G: 306
Standard Hawlucha: 308
Fast Mienshao, Max Speed Landorus-T: 309
Max Speed Krookodile: 311
Fast Blacephalon: 313
Fast Keldeo, Terrakion: 315
Max Speed Kyurem-Black, Zygarde, Tapu Lele, Silvally Formes, Indeedee-M, Darmanitan Formes, Fast Durant, Kartana: 317
Fast Raichu formes, Latios, Latias: 319
Fast Tornadus, Thundurus: 321
Max Speed Urshifu Formes, Haxorus, Morpeko: 322
Max Speed Hydreigon: 324
Max Speed Genesect: 326
Max Speed Mew, Volcarona, Charizard, Ninetales, Entei, Zapdos, Zapdos-G, Victini: 328
Max Speed Landorus, Thundurus-T, Fast Whimsicott: 331
Max Speed Garchomp: 333
Fast Hawlucha, Max Speed Nihilego: 335
Fast Cinderace: 337
Max Speed Mienshao, Fast Alakazam: 339
Fast Naganadel: 341
Max Speed Blacephalon: 344
Max Speed Keldeo, Terrakion: 346
Max Speed Durant, Kartana: 348
Fast Weavile: 349
Max Speed Raichu Formes, Latios, Latias: 350
Fast Talonflame: 351
Max Speed Tornadus, Thundurus: 353
Scarf Fast Volcanion: 358
Fast Tapu Koko, Spectrier: 359
Max Speed Whimsicott: 364
Max Speed Hawlucha: 368
Max Speed Cinderace: 370
Max Speed Alakazam: 372
Scarf Fast Dracovish, Tapu Bulu: 373
Max Speed Naganadel: 375
Fast Dragapult, Max Speed Weavile: 383
Fast Zeraora: 385
Scarf Fast Chandelure, Regidrago, +1 Fast Blaziken: 388
Fast Accelgor: 389
Scarf Max Speed Volcanion: 393
Max Speed Tapu Koko, Spectrier: 394
Fast Pheromosa: 401
Scarf Max Speed Dracovish, Tapu Bulu: 409
Uninvested Suicune under Tailwind: 412
Scarf Fast Porygon-Z: 418
Max Speed Dragapult: 421
Max Speed Zeraora: 423
Scarf Max Speed Chandelure, Regidrago, +1 Max Speed Blaziken: 426
Max Speed Accelgor: 427
Scarf Fast Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, +1 Fast Zygarde: 433
Fast Morpeko at +1: 439
Max Speed Pheromosa: 441
Scarf Fast Hydreigon: 442
Scarf Fast Genesect: 445
Scarf Fast Charizard: 448
Scarf max speed Porygon-Z: 459
Scarf Fast Blacephalon: 469
Uninvested Zapdos under Tailwind: 472
Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, +1 Max Speed Zygarde: 475
Swift Swim Fast Mantine, Ludicolo, Scarf Fast Latios: 478
Max Speed Morpeko at +1: 483
Scarf Max Speed Hydreigon: 486
Scarf Max Speed Genesect: 489
Scarf Max Speed Charizard, Swift swim Fast Drednaw: 494
Fast Dracovish under Tailwind/Sand Rush: 498
Fast Regieleki: 499
Fast Heatran under Tailwind: 506
Scarf Max Speed Blacephalon: 516
Chlorophyll Fast Venusaur, Fast Regidrago under Tailwind, +2 Fast Blaziken: 518
Swift Swim Max Speed Mantine, Ludicolo: 524
Max Speed Scarf Latios: 525
Swift Swim Fast Kingdra, Fast Suicune under Tailwind: 538
Swift Swim Max Speed Drednaw: 542
Max Speed Dracovish under Tailwind/Sand Rush: 546
Max Speed Regieleki: 548
Max Speed Heatran under Tailwind: 556
Chlorophyll Fast Lilligant: 558
Chlorophyll Max Speed Venusaur, Max Speed Regidrago under Tailwind, +2 Max Speed Blaziken: 568
Sand Rush Fast Excadrill: 550
Fast Darmanitan Formes under Tailwind: 578
Swift Swim Max Speed Kingdra, Max Speed Suicune under Tailwind: 590
Fast Zapdos under Tailwind: 598
Sand Rush Max Speed Excadrill: 604
Chlorophyll Max Speed Lilligant: 612
Unburden Standard Hawlucha: 616
Max Speed Darmanitan Formes under Tailwind: 634
Surge Surfer Fast Raichu-A: 638
Max Speed Zapdos under Tailwind: 656
Unburden Fast Hawlucha: 670
Surge Surfer Max Speed Raichu-A: 700
Fast Talonflame under Tailwind: 702
Unburden Max Speed Hawlucha: 736
Max Speed Talonflame under Tailwind: 772
+6 Unburden Max Speed Regieleki under Tailwind: 8767

Shoutouts

Krytocon for leaving his homework in an easy place for me to copy
smely socks for saying that max speed moltres is 309 when it’s actually 306 and making me manually recheck every mon
turtalkatthing hello

If there's anything you feel is wrong (mons that should be bolded that aren't (You know what Vrji, I might just bold pincurchin), mons that are bolded that shouldn't be, mons not being there/at the right speed tier and even things like spelling mistakes), feel free to shout at me and tell me how wrong I am.
(Copied from kryto)

Mubs out

 

[Krytocon]

More resources no one asked for:

Post DLC Speed Tiers​

Speed Tiers (Very Long)

Key
Min Speed = 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Uninvested = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Standard = Sets compendium sets for top meta mons
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.

Bolded text will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks.

Min Speed Stakataka: 27
Min Speed Pincurchin: 31
Min Speed Torkoal, Ferrothorn: 40
Min Speed Dusclops, Gigalith: 49
Min Speed Hatterene: 56
Min Speed Glastrier, Snorlax: 58
Min Speed Bronzong: 63
Uninvested Pincurchin: 66
Uninvested Ferrothorn, Min Speed Rhyperior: 76
Min Speed Vikavolt: 81
Min Speed Conkeldurr: 85
Uninvested Gigalith: 86
Min Speed Diancie, Sableye, Azumarill: 94
Uninvested Amoonguss, Glastrier, Snorlax: 96
Uninvested Clefairy: 106
Min Speed Incineroar, Primarina, Oranguru, Porygon2, Aegislash, Abomasnow: 112
Min Speed Tyranitar, Uninvested Gastrodon: 114
Min Speed Pelipper: 121
Uninvested Vikavolt: 122
Uninvested Conkeldurr: 126
Uninvested Diancie, Chansey, Azumarill, Tangrowth: 136
Min Speed Heatran: 143
Min Speed Necrozma: 146
Min Speed Regidrago: 148
Uninvested Scrafty: 152
Uninvested Incineroar, Porygon2, Grimmsnarl, Weezing-G, Primarina, Sylveon, Abomasnow, Magnezone: 156
Min Speed Indeedee-F, Rillaboom, Cresselia: 157
Uninvested Tyranitar, Celesteela: 158
Uninvested Scizor, Pelipper: 166
Standard Slow Incineroar: 168
Uninvested Corviknight: 170
Uninvested Bisharp, Hitmontop, Metagross, Volcanion: 176
Standard Fast Incineroar: 178
Uninvested Tapu Bulu: 186
Fast Conkeldurr: 189
Uninvested Heatran: 190
Uninvested Blastoise: 192
Uninvested Necrozma, Buzzwole: 194
Uninvested Togekiss, Goodra, Regidrago: 196
Uninvested Milotic: 198
Negative Nature Kyurem-Black: 203
Uninvested Kommo-o, Indeedee-F, Rillaboom, Cresselia, Suicune, Tapu Fini: 206
Uninvested Rotom Formes: 208
Uninvested Mr.Mime, Moltres-G: 216
Uninvested Landorus-T: 218
Fast Grimmsnarl, Weezing-G, Primarina, Sylveon, Abomasnow, Magnezone: 219
Uninvested Kyurem-Black, Zygarde: 226
Fast Scizor, Sirfetch'd: 229
Uninvested Entei, Zapdos, Victini: 236
Fast Mantine, Bisharp, Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Metagross, Volcanion: 239
Fast Malamar: 245
Fast Drednaw: 247
Fast Dracovish, Dracozolt, Tapu Bulu, Toxtricity: 249
Max Speed Sirfetch'd: 251
Fast Heatran: 253
Fast Blastoise: 255
Fast Necrozma, Buzzwole: 257
Uninvested Tornadus, Thundurus: 258
Fast Venusaur, Passimian, Braviary, Chandelure, Blaziken, Regidrago: 259
Fast Gyarados, Milotic: 261
Max Speed Mantine, Bisharp, Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Metagross, Volcanion: 262
Uninvested Whimsicott: 268
Fast Kingdra, Kommo-o, Rillaboom, Suicune, Tapu Fini, Nidoking: 269
Max Speed Drednaw, Rotom Formes: 271
Max Speed Dracovish, Dracozolt, Tapu Bulu, Toxtricity: 273
Fast Excadrill: 275
Max Speed Heatran: 278
Fast Mr.Mime, Porygon-Z, Lilligant, Moltres-G: 279
Fast Landorus-T: 281
Max Speed Necrozma, Buzzwole: 282
Fast Krookodile: 283
Max Speed Venusaur, Passimian, Braviary, Chandelure, Blaziken, Regidrago: 284
Max Speed Gyarados: 287
Uninvested Talonflame: 288
Fast Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, Zygarde, Tapu Lele, Silvally Formes, Indeedee-M: 289
Fast Urshifu Formes, Haxorus, Morpeko: 293
Max Speed Kingdra, Kommo-o, Rillaboom, Suicune, Tapu Fini, Nidoking, Fast Hydreigon: 295
Fast Genesect: 297
Max Speed Rotom Formes: 298
Fast Volcarona, Charizard, Ninetales, Entei, Zapdos, Zapdos-G, Victini: 299
Fast Landorus, Thundurus-T: 301
Max Speed Excadrill: 302
Fast Garchomp: 303
Fast Nihilego: 305
Max Speed Porygon-Z, Lilligant, Moltres-G: 306
Standard Hawlucha: 308
Fast Mienshao, Max Speed Landorus-T: 309
Max Speed Krookodile: 311
Fast Blacephalon: 313
Fast Keldeo, Terrakion: 315
Max Speed Kyurem-Black, Zygarde, Tapu Lele, Silvally Formes, Indeedee-M, Darmanitan Formes, Fast Durant, Kartana: 317
Fast Raichu formes, Latios, Latias: 319
Fast Tornadus, Thundurus: 321
Max Speed Urshifu Formes, Haxorus, Morpeko: 322
Max Speed Hydreigon: 324
Max Speed Genesect: 326
Max Speed Mew, Volcarona, Charizard, Ninetales, Entei, Zapdos, Zapdos-G, Victini: 328
Max Speed Landorus, Thundurus-T, Fast Whimsicott: 331
Max Speed Garchomp: 333
Fast Hawlucha, Max Speed Nihilego: 335
Fast Cinderace: 337
Max Speed Mienshao, Fast Alakazam: 339
Fast Naganadel: 341
Max Speed Blacephalon: 344
Max Speed Keldeo, Terrakion: 346
Max Speed Durant, Kartana: 348
Fast Weavile: 349
Max Speed Raichu Formes, Latios, Latias: 350
Fast Talonflame: 351
Max Speed Tornadus, Thundurus: 353
Scarf Fast Volcanion: 358
Fast Tapu Koko, Spectrier: 359
Max Speed Whimsicott: 364
Max Speed Hawlucha: 368
Max Speed Cinderace: 370
Max Speed Alakazam: 372
Scarf Fast Dracovish, Tapu Bulu: 373
Max Speed Naganadel: 375
Fast Dragapult, Max Speed Weavile: 383
Fast Zeraora: 385
Scarf Fast Chandelure, Regidrago, +1 Fast Blaziken: 388
Fast Accelgor: 389
Scarf Max Speed Volcanion: 393
Max Speed Tapu Koko, Spectrier: 394
Fast Pheromosa: 401
Scarf Max Speed Dracovish, Tapu Bulu: 409
Uninvested Suicune under Tailwind: 412
Scarf Fast Porygon-Z: 418
Max Speed Dragapult: 421
Max Speed Zeraora: 423
Scarf Max Speed Chandelure, Regidrago, +1 Max Speed Blaziken: 426
Max Speed Accelgor: 427
Scarf Fast Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, +1 Fast Zygarde: 433
Fast Morpeko at +1: 439
Max Speed Pheromosa: 441
Scarf Fast Hydreigon: 442
Scarf Fast Genesect: 445
Scarf Fast Charizard: 448
Scarf max speed Porygon-Z: 459
Scarf Fast Blacephalon: 469
Uninvested Zapdos under Tailwind: 472
Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan Formes, Kyurem-Black, +1 Max Speed Zygarde: 475
Swift Swim Fast Mantine, Ludicolo, Scarf Fast Latios: 478
Max Speed Morpeko at +1: 483
Scarf Max Speed Hydreigon: 486
Scarf Max Speed Genesect: 489
Scarf Max Speed Charizard, Swift swim Fast Drednaw: 494
Fast Dracovish under Tailwind/Sand Rush: 498
Fast Regieleki: 499
Fast Heatran under Tailwind: 506
Scarf Max Speed Blacephalon: 516
Chlorophyll Fast Venusaur, Fast Regidrago under Tailwind, +2 Fast Blaziken: 518
Swift Swim Max Speed Mantine, Ludicolo: 524
Max Speed Scarf Latios: 525
Swift Swim Fast Kingdra, Fast Suicune under Tailwind: 538
Swift Swim Max Speed Drednaw: 542
Max Speed Dracovish under Tailwind/Sand Rush: 546
Max Speed Regieleki: 548
Max Speed Heatran under Tailwind: 556
Chlorophyll Fast Lilligant: 558
Chlorophyll Max Speed Venusaur, Max Speed Regidrago under Tailwind, +2 Max Speed Blaziken: 568
Sand Rush Fast Excadrill: 550
Fast Darmanitan Formes under Tailwind: 578
Swift Swim Max Speed Kingdra, Max Speed Suicune under Tailwind: 590
Fast Zapdos under Tailwind: 598
Sand Rush Max Speed Excadrill: 604
Chlorophyll Max Speed Lilligant: 612
Unburden Standard Hawlucha: 616
Max Speed Darmanitan Formes under Tailwind: 634
Surge Surfer Fast Raichu-A: 638
Max Speed Zapdos under Tailwind: 656
Unburden Fast Hawlucha: 670
Surge Surfer Max Speed Raichu-A: 700
Fast Talonflame under Tailwind: 702
Unburden Max Speed Hawlucha: 736
Max Speed Talonflame under Trick Room: 772
+6 Unburden Max Speed Regieleki under Tailwind: 8767

Shoutouts

Krytocon for leaving his homework in an easy place for me to copy
smely socks for saying that max speed moltres is 309 when it’s actually 306 and making me manually recheck every mon
turtalkatthing hello

If there's anything you feel is wrong (mons that should be bolded that aren't (You know what Vrji, I might just bold pincurchin), mons that are bolded that shouldn't be, mons not being there/at the right speed tier and even things like spelling mistakes), feel free to shout at me and tell me how wrong I am.
(Copied from kryto)

Mubs out

didnt bold pincurchin

 

[Morgan]

Great:

Rillaboom
Kyurem-Black
Tapu Fini
Urshifu
Genesect
Tornadus
Zapdos
Victini

Good:
Tapu Lele
Indeedee-F
Kartana
Amoonguss
Suicune
Zeraora
Regieleki
Volcanion
Diancie
Porygon2
Entei
Heatran
Volcarona
Incineroar

Viable:

Everything else people listed I cannot be bothered to retype like 20 or 30 or idk different mons

Oh also

Salamence
Pelipper
Necrozma

 

[Morgan]

This is my personal VR, S->A are in order of viability, cannot be bothered to order everything else

 

[IBM]

same as above but not made by someone on crack

 

[Vrji]

Here's mine, I feel liek it's within the margin of error of Lkjc 's so /me hugs

 

[ArcticBreeze]

Correct 'opinion'

 

[Mubs]

smh Lkjc, Monsareeasy Le Creme Brule and Vrji posting before I even make my post smh...

So the 2v2 Doubles VR council has decided after a voting tie and community favor to revert back to ranks, as it keeps us consistent with our oldgens. As for what we're going to start put in in those tiers, I've decided to take a different approach than what we've done before, inspired by what a few other subforums have been doing: Personal Viability Rankings.

Essentially, what we're going to start with is people giving their takes on which pokemon should be ranked, and where. I've created a tiermaker to help facilitate such a thing, which you can find here. Here's an example that I made in about 5 minutes:

(the pool of pokemon was decided by the initial prelim vr and peoples thoughts on what should initially be added for examination) ​

We will average out the responses that we get on the thread, do a little QC, and make a VR from there.

Why take this approach, some might ask? A particular part of the community has expressed their desire to be more a part of the initial process of the VR's creation, and I hope such a project would appeal to those people. Also, a bit more thread activity never hurts.

Send in your VRs! As always, thanks for reading and have a nice day.

 

[D2TheW]

My personal vr, still pretty fluid rn except for the 2 s tiers which I'm pretty confident in for now. The tier is taking shape now but there's a fair few things on there that I could have my mind changed on. There's a few things that were omitted that I'd add in the lower tiers, some fun stuff like Glowking and Kabutops and also Zam is supposed to be in B+ but this shit is fiddly on mobile and I'm not arsed to go back and fix it. I intend to do a more in depth vr breakdown after pl when the meta is better established and when I'm not as busy with uni.

The funny

Mubs out

 

[Kaif]

opinions may change throughout 2v2pl '-'

zam should probably be b+

 

[Mubs]

With the results in and averaged, here is our starting VR:

The Starting VR:

S Rank:

Kyurem-Black

Tapu-Fini

S- Rank:

Genesect

Urshifu

A+ Rank:

Rillaboom

Tornadus

Zapdos

Zygarde

A Rank:

Heatran

Incineroar

Tapu-Lele

A- Rank:

Indeedee-Female

Kartana

Landorus

Mew

Regieleki

Suicune

Victini

Zeraora

B+ Rank:

Amoonguss

Cresselia

Diancie

Necrozma

Porygon2

Talonflame

Togekiss

Volcanion

Volcarona

Whimsicott

B Rank:

Alakazam

Blaziken

Entei

Excadrill

Glastrier

Hawlucha

Kingdra

Landorus-Therian

Pincurchin

Politoed

Regidrago

Thundurus

Tyranitar

Venusaur

B- Rank:

Dracozolt

Garchomp

Hatterene

Nidoking

Pelipper

Primarina

Salamence

Tapu-Koko

Torkoal

Feel free to suggest changes. Have a nice day.

 

[Morgan]

Hey guys, Mubs didn't feel like putting all the mons in for the VR, so I did it for him!

Also because of this, Mubs didn't get a chance to say that Le Creme Brule is the newest member of the SWSH 2v2 VR Council (me)

So here is your new SWSH 2v2 VR!

S

Kyurem-Black
Tapu Fini

S-

Rillaboom
Urshifu-Single-Strike

A+

Cinderace
Genesect
Incineroar
Indeedee-F
Tornadus
Zapdos

A

Heatran
Kartana
Nihilego
Tapu Lele
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Victini
Zeraora
Zygarde

A-

Celesteela
Mew
Moltres-Galar
Talonflame
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Zapdos Galar

B+

Amoonguss
Blastoise
Diancie
Landorus
Landorus-Therian
Latios
Regieleki
Suicune
Volcanion
Volcarona

B

Alakazam
Cresselia
Dracozolt
Excadrill
Glastrier
Kingdra
Metagross
Necrozma
Pincurchin
Politoed
Porygon2
Regidrago
Scrafty
Terrakion
Thundurus
Venusaur
Whimsicott

B-

Blaziken
Entei
Garchomp
Hatterene
Hawlucha
Naganadel
Pelipper
Pheromosa
Tapu Koko
Torkoal
Tsareena

C+

Aegislash
Mienshao
Nidoking
Ninetales-Alola
Primarina
Salamence
Scizor
Slowking-Galar

C

Comfey
Grimmsnarl

D

Sawk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/1F-Fg3cbz-1yuENg2mW5smxlNKiNM9M1dJqgXGCbLzAI/edit#gid=0

 

[IBM]

Surprised no ones made an ally switch callout post here yet so I guess I’ll do it. My PL team is 10-0 in SS as of writing this so I am qualified.

Ally switch
​

First, I want to start by saying that I’m not arguing that ally switch is broken, it’s actually very far from being broken. I’m arguing that ally switch is uncompetitive.

The main reason to ban ally switch is that it takes the outcome of the battle out of control of either of the players, and creates a 50/50 with the side using ally switch thinking “will they predict my ally ally switch or not” and the opposing side thinking “will they use ally switch or not”. This is significantly different than the most common “50/50” involved in 2v2, a protect.

Protect vs Ally switch

The difference between protect and ally switch in 2v2 is that a protect prediction can correlate to other things in the battle, and there are strategies that can punish a protect. Protect has an exponentially decreasing success rate, so you know if the opponent used protect in the previous turn that it is highly unlikely that they will use protect again. Ally switch does not have a decreasing success rate, it can be used as many times in a row that the user wants with no drawback, which is a huge factor in how unpredictable ally switch is. Protect also has common counters like feint and one of the best mons in the meta, Urshifu. Strategies can also be used to soft punish a protect if you don’t want to hard predict and double attack the Pokémon that doesn’t use protect.

Ally Switch “Counters”

There are extremely few counters to ally switch, I can list all of them right now and explain why they are all flawed ways to counter the move. Fake Out, Taunt, Imprison, spread moves, and hard prediction. Fake out can only be used on turn one, so the opponent can just protect turn 1 and nullify fake out. Taunt can only be used after ally switch, so you have to predict wether they would even use ally switch in order to try to stop them from using it again. Imprison has limited distribution with ally switch, the only relevant mons with access to both are Mew and Necrozma, and the only mon you would realistically run it on is Mew. Spread moves hit only 1 ally switch user super effectively (heat wave on genesect), so you aren’t going to do reliable damage to beat an opposing ally switch user. Hard prediction is a 50/50 every single time so it is fundamentally unreliable. The most reliable way to punish ally switch in doubles is switching into something that can threaten both the ally switch user and it’s partner, but sadly that is not possible in 2v2.

Ally Switch abusers (S to B+)

- Very powerful offensive presence which allows it to use ally switch pretty freely because the opponent probably doesn’t predict it before you use it.

- Same here although there is a little bit of 4 mss because you want pyro, hjk, gunk, tect, switch, and tect, but luckily for you ally switch can be used to win the matchups where any of the other moves are preferred.

- Very powerful with the meteor beam boost, which makes people more likely to target it with moves so it can pull off a switch easier and force mind games.

- Has psychic terrain to block fake out so it can use ally switch freely turn one.

(rip gen 8 mew sprite) - Ally switch abuser that also stops opposing ally switch if it wants, combined with the classic transform to remove a mon from the game.

- Trick room ally switch user, can protect its partner and sponge hits really easily.

- Nobody expects the ally switch latios.

VGC Videos about ally switch:

Videos

 

[Mubs]

With the essential end of the regular season of 2v2 PL II and the additions of both Mishimono and Le Creme Brule to the council, here is our VR shifts!

What the VR looks like now:

S

Kyurem-Black
Tapu Fini
Urshifu-Single-Strike

S-

Rillaboom

A+

Cinderace
Genesect
Indeedee-F
Tornadus
Zapdos
Zeraora

A

Incineroar
Kartana
Nihilego
Tapu Lele
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Victini
Zygarde

A-

Heatran
Mew
Moltres-Galar
Regieleki
Talonflame
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Zapdos Galar

B+

Amoonguss
Blastoise
Celesteela
Diancie
Landorus
Landorus-Therian
Latios
Suicune
Volcanion
Volcarona
Whimsicott

B

Dracozolt
Metagross
Naganadel
Necrozma
Pheromosa
Regidrago
Scrafty
Tapu Koko
Terrakion
Torkoal
Thundurus
Venusaur

B-

Alakazam
Blaziken
Cresselia
Entei
Excadrill
Glastrier
Hatterene
Hawlucha
Kingdra
Pincurchin
Politoed
Porygon2
Primarina
Tsareena

C+

Aegislash
Garchomp
Mienshao
Nidoking
Ninetales-Alola
Pelipper
Salamence
Scizor
Slowking-Galar

C

Comfey

C-

Grimmsnarl

Rises:

• -> A-
• -> A+
• -> B+
• -> B
• -> B
• -> B
• -> S
• -> B-
• -> B

Drops:

• -> A
• -> A-
• -> B+
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> C
• -> C+
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> C+
• -> C-
• -> B-
• -> B-
• -> UR

With the end of this year approaching, I'd like to say a few things, along with outlining my plans for the upcoming year.

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who's put time into this meta. Whether it's contributing to the hubs of discussion, or just signing up for the tournaments we've done this year, it's been greatly appreciated. Although I've planned out a lot of the things I put into action months in advance, I never really thought we'd get this far, especially not in the span of roughly over a year. 2020's been a wacky one, and I'm thankful that you spent a little bit of it with us.

As for what comes in the future, there's a bit planned. For example, our developing tournament schedule, analyses, further oldgens development, and more that I haven't really fleshed out. Hopefully we'll grow some more and become more established.

Well, that's it from me. As always, thanks for reading and have a nice day. Mubs out.

 

[Mubs]

Double post but a few things:

• Congratulations to zio, STABLE, and the rest of the Gucci Gang Grookeys on winning 2v2PL II!
• Le Creme Brule has joined our Metagame Council!
• We're looking to move forward with a suspect on Ally Switch, expect that quite soon. There have also been discussions about Urshifu-S, which has came out and dominated the tournament scene in 2v2PL II.
• As for the tournament scene, here's our planned schedule. We'll probably change up a few dates, like LT will likely be delayed a week, and we may forgo a secondary team tour.
• As for resources, we have New Samples! I'll post the VR shifts when I'm not on mobile.

Think that's it. As always, thanks for reading and have a nice day.

 

[STABLE]

Alright, as a last omen to my 2v2 contribution given that I've been rejected from VR, I'll be submitting some broken ass sample teams I built during PL

Metagame: SOLVED

It would be a disaster for this team not to be a sample. It pretty much solves the metagame with the HO combination of Urshifu + Extremely strong support. Urshifu + Twind is extremely menacing cause the only thing that actually stops this is either faster mons with tailwind or supported fairy types that can 1v1 tornadus. This duo was extremely cancer to account for during the entire PL, pair this with the absolute menace that are Zeraora and Rillaboom offensively and you got yourself a team that is almost impossible to cteam.

The two Behemots

I personally think Cinderace and Naganadel are the two best mons in the tier, with Urshifu being a close third, but I'll touch on that later. These two are insanely menacing in builder and accounting for them alone is quite the hassle, imagine trying to deal with both of them while they get support from zeraora and tornadus. This team only gets beaten in very specific situations and over all will almost always have positive MUs. Very intuitive to use, as well.

SHIELD THE QUEEN

SHIELD THE QUEEN V2


Pheromosa absolutely massacres most of the top tier threats in the metagame and has absurdly strong stabs, + can hit both physically and specially; the only problem is that it's extremely frail and thus it requires copious amounts of support... BUT WE HAVE TOGEKISS LETS GET IT scrap what I said about Torn this mon is a BEAST, it can tank both max atk/spa zera plasma and naga sludge individually without a resist berry and STILL INVEST IN SPA. Follow Me + Tailwind + Air Slash flinches this mon single handedly carries you, and if you hold a sitrus you'll need two mons that can hit it super effectively for it to go down, but with a phero on the side, you aint gonna have that luxury lmao. The other two mons are like extremely filler but they help with a couple niche MUs namely stuff that hits both opponents or like diancie, which is why I put two versions. Use whichever one you like more but BY GOD make one of them a sample, phero kiss is just too strong.

Assaultwind

Good potential sample as it incorporates one of the most used building strategies in 2v2: broken + hybrid support. Cinderace is insanely strong in this meta and it can bypass most threats by making use of fake out, icy wind or tailwind support from its teammates.

Eleki carry

Regieleki is extremely broken and underrated, its electric stabs hit insanely hard and it outspeeds even some of the faster scarfers in the tier, eweb provides amazing support while still being able to kill shit like tornadus thanks to LO. it has a harder time against some prio from Urshi/Rilla and from not being able to hit grounds like Lando, but its teammates perfectly cover those uncertain MUs.

GENIE BACKUP

Tornadus is the best support mon in the tier and twind in SS is broken, pair that with the even more broken ally switch and some strong attackers like cindy and band zyg and you'll be able to cheese yourself out of the pickiest situations.

Vintage Balance

Solid Balance that uses a lot of the more old school 2v2 mons, like Incin or Fini. Scarf Landorus is quite good in the meta and might get some interesting unexpected KOs. You won't have the best MUs with this team but there isn't much that 4-0s you, so a good player can make use of it well.

Also if you don't give cool nicknames to your sample what are you even doing mr boring. I hope Kaif doesnt call them trash kek.

I also wanted to talk about the metagame and make some VR noms since I'm at it.
FIRST OF ALL Life Orb is literally the best item in the metagame this item runs this shit and I have rarely ever found any moment I'd rather use any other item other than "I'm spamming LO too much lmao". Everything runs Protect, and everything wants to do damage. Most of the teams that have done best are LO spam and in most scenarios we didn't use LO I was like "I wish this was LO T_T".
SECOND THING The metagame is insanely Hyper Offense based, mons like Tapu Fini, Incineroar and Kyurem Black don't cut it, they're too slow, don't do enough damage, or simply die before they can pull their weight in the match-up.

VR NOMS

Fini to fucking C+ (jk but lower it from S tier wtf) idk manz this shit is trash move it the fuck down. Loses to Naga, loses to Cinder, loses to Rilla and Zera, can't abuse tailwind, best support it gets is like Icy Wind or shitty Nature's Madness. It's super weird to build with cause the few things it has going for it are like beating Urshifu and sometimes KyuB and.. thats about it. It's bulk is good but if you can't support or do damage what the fuck are you bulky for. If you wanna use a fairy type use Togekiss
KyuB to A this mon is overrated, gets blown back by every HO mon in the tier ever, so it's very often gonna have a bad MU. Idk I just don't think it's that good
Naga and Cindy to S tier where they belong. I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE you guys still have that shit at B, what the fuck. It outspeeds and KOs Kyub Fini Urshi Rilla Cinder, Gene, Torn, Kart, Non Scarf Lele, Zygarde and so much more this mon is such a beast when well supported and even mons like Zeraora or Regieleki which are faster dont have the coverage to OHKO it and just get owned back. Cinderace is pretty much the same thing with Libero and its insane coverage to hit the entire tier and have the type ambiguity to avoid certain KOs, which has happened in PL too. You can just look at the usage, these two mons were dominating the usage in the later weeks and especially mons like Scarf Landorus and Pheromosa were rising and super good cause of these two MUs in particular. These + Urshifu are definitely the big 3 and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Zera and Torn to S-, these and rilla are the best support mons in the tier and they fit on pretty much any team. Tornadus is arguably S too no cap
KISS AND PHERO TO A+ M I N I M U M cannot legitimately believe you have phero at B holy shit. I appreciate that kiss is rly high but follow me is busted so it should be slightly higher. Phero is ABSURD especially with what's good, please move it up.
Eleki to A/A+, electric types are super good and this mon just kills everything and can also set up screens lol. You don't even need to put max speed to outspeed everything in the meta you can literally invest in defense to tank urshi sucker and rilla ada orb glide.
Vic to A-, tried it at first and its pretty underwhelming, you don't use V Create as much as you'd want to, and if you go something like CB you drop way too easily, if you don't you just dont do as much damage as you need to. Altho I might be wrong on this one
tran to B have fun using tailwind eruption and just getting shut down by opposing tailwind + fighting stab, or not OHKOing the right stuff cause mons like Fini and Naga just resist it.
ttar to UR what?? I never saw this shit used and its insanely cheeks what the fuck why is it here
these mons are insanely niche and barely ever used, lose to a lot of top tiers or are generally outclassed. Lower them please.
these mons are weird cause I've barely ever used them/seen them used but I think they might hold some potential, so I won't advocate for them to lower.
I think they can rise, they're quite threatening, although not the most used. On the border of a raise imo

Over-all I think the VR needs a lot of reworking cause idt the people on the VR Council actually know what run this metagame, but I might be wrong.
I definitely hope the resources can improve for the better

thanks for reading hope you have a nice day

 

[IBM]

Alright, as a last omen to my 2v2 contribution given that I've been rejected from VR, I'll be submitting some broken ass sample teams I built during PL

Metagame: SOLVED

It would be a disaster for this team not to be a sample. It pretty much solves the metagame with the HO combination of Urshifu + Extremely strong support. Urshifu + Twind is extremely menacing cause the only thing that actually stops this is either faster mons with tailwind or supported fairy types that can 1v1 tornadus. This duo was extremely cancer to account for during the entire PL, pair this with the absolute menace that are Zeraora and Rillaboom offensively and you got yourself a team that is almost impossible to cteam.

The two Behemots

I personally think Cinderace and Naganadel are the two best mons in the tier, with Urshifu being a close third, but I'll touch on that later. These two are insanely menacing in builder and accounting for them alone is quite the hassle, imagine trying to deal with both of them while they get support from zeraora and tornadus. This team only gets beaten in very specific situations and over all will almost always have positive MUs. Very intuitive to use, as well.

SHIELD THE QUEEN

SHIELD THE QUEEN V2


Pheromosa absolutely massacres most of the top tier threats in the metagame and has absurdly strong stabs, + can hit both physically and specially; the only problem is that it's extremely frail and thus it requires copious amounts of support... BUT WE HAVE TOGEKISS LETS GET IT scrap what I said about Torn this mon is a BEAST, it can tank both max atk/spa zera plasma and naga sludge individually without a resist berry and STILL INVEST IN SPA. Follow Me + Tailwind + Air Slash flinches this mon single handedly carries you, and if you hold a sitrus you'll need two mons that can hit it super effectively for it to go down, but with a phero on the side, you aint gonna have that luxury lmao. The other two mons are like extremely filler but they help with a couple niche MUs namely stuff that hits both opponents or like diancie, which is why I put two versions. Use whichever one you like more but BY GOD make one of them a sample, phero kiss is just too strong.

Assaultwind

Good potential sample as it incorporates one of the most used building strategies in 2v2: broken + hybrid support. Cinderace is insanely strong in this meta and it can bypass most threats by making use of fake out, icy wind or tailwind support from its teammates.

Eleki carry

Regieleki is extremely broken and underrated, its electric stabs hit insanely hard and it outspeeds even some of the faster scarfers in the tier, eweb provides amazing support while still being able to kill shit like tornadus thanks to LO. it has a harder time against some prio from Urshi/Rilla and from not being able to hit grounds like Lando, but its teammates perfectly cover those uncertain MUs.

GENIE BACKUP

Tornadus is the best support mon in the tier and twind in SS is broken, pair that with the even more broken ally switch and some strong attackers like cindy and band zyg and you'll be able to cheese yourself out of the pickiest situations.

Vintage Balance

Solid Balance that uses a lot of the more old school 2v2 mons, like Incin or Fini. Scarf Landorus is quite good in the meta and might get some interesting unexpected KOs. You won't have the best MUs with this team but there isn't much that 4-0s you, so a good player can make use of it well.

Also if you don't give cool nicknames to your sample what are you even doing mr boring. I hope Kaif doesnt call them trash kek.

I also wanted to talk about the metagame and make some VR noms since I'm at it.
FIRST OF ALL Life Orb is literally the best item in the metagame this item runs this shit and I have rarely ever found any moment I'd rather use any other item other than "I'm spamming LO too much lmao". Everything runs Protect, and everything wants to do damage. Most of the teams that have done best are LO spam and in most scenarios we didn't use LO I was like "I wish this was LO T_T".
SECOND THING The metagame is insanely Hyper Offense based, mons like Tapu Fini, Incineroar and Kyurem Black don't cut it, they're too slow, don't do enough damage, or simply die before they can pull their weight in the match-up.

VR NOMS

Fini to fucking C+ (jk but lower it from S tier wtf) idk manz this shit is trash move it the fuck down. Loses to Naga, loses to Cinder, loses to Rilla and Zera, can't abuse tailwind, best support it gets is like Icy Wind or shitty Nature's Madness. It's super weird to build with cause the few things it has going for it are like beating Urshifu and sometimes KyuB and.. thats about it. It's bulk is good but if you can't support or do damage what the fuck are you bulky for. If you wanna use a fairy type use Togekiss
KyuB to A this mon is overrated, gets blown back by every HO mon in the tier ever, so it's very often gonna have a bad MU. Idk I just don't think it's that good
Naga and Cindy to S tier where they belong. I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE you guys still have that shit at B, what the fuck. It outspeeds and KOs Kyub Fini Urshi Rilla Cinder, Gene, Torn, Kart, Non Scarf Lele, Zygarde and so much more this mon is such a beast when well supported and even mons like Zeraora or Regieleki which are faster dont have the coverage to OHKO it and just get owned back. Cinderace is pretty much the same thing with Libero and its insane coverage to hit the entire tier and have the type ambiguity to avoid certain KOs, which has happened in PL too. You can just look at the usage, these two mons were dominating the usage in the later weeks and especially mons like Scarf Landorus and Pheromosa were rising and super good cause of these two MUs in particular. These + Urshifu are definitely the big 3 and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Zera and Torn to S-, these and rilla are the best support mons in the tier and they fit on pretty much any team. Tornadus is arguably S too no cap
KISS AND PHERO TO A+ M I N I M U M cannot legitimately believe you have phero at B holy shit. I appreciate that kiss is rly high but follow me is busted so it should be slightly higher. Phero is ABSURD especially with what's good, please move it up.
Eleki to A/A+, electric types are super good and this mon just kills everything and can also set up screens lol. You don't even need to put max speed to outspeed everything in the meta you can literally invest in defense to tank urshi sucker and rilla ada orb glide.
Vic to A-, tried it at first and its pretty underwhelming, you don't use V Create as much as you'd want to, and if you go something like CB you drop way too easily, if you don't you just dont do as much damage as you need to. Altho I might be wrong on this one
tran to B have fun using tailwind eruption and just getting shut down by opposing tailwind + fighting stab, or not OHKOing the right stuff cause mons like Fini and Naga just resist it.
ttar to UR what?? I never saw this shit used and its insanely cheeks what the fuck why is it here
these mons are insanely niche and barely ever used, lose to a lot of top tiers or are generally outclassed. Lower them please.
these mons are weird cause I've barely ever used them/seen them used but I think they might hold some potential, so I won't advocate for them to lower.
I think they can rise, they're quite threatening, although not the most used. On the border of a raise imo

Over-all I think the VR needs a lot of reworking cause idt the people on the VR Council actually know what run this metagame, but I might be wrong.
I definitely hope the resources can improve for the better

thanks for reading hope you have a nice day

All of these teams except the zyg ones lose to Nihilego + Indeedee *-*