Blaziken

Ah yes, why didn't I think of that?! Blaze Kick, Adamant and Swords Dance, of course! and not only is it better, it benefits your other two moves as well. Nice that you spotted that.
 
Been using the Nitro Charge set for a while, so I feel like I can comment better on it now.

Blaziken@Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 whatever
Nitro Charge
Flare Blitz/Blaze Kick
High Jump Kick
Shadow Claw/Night Slash/Swords Dance/other filler

Come in on something you can OHKO and/or force out, Nitro Charge, outspeed whatever they send in next. Even without an attack boost, it gets a surprising number of OHKOs. It works especially well as a revenge killer against slow opponents.
 
voodoo pimp said:
Been using the Nitro Charge set for a while, so I feel like I can comment better on it now.

Blaziken@Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 whatever
Nitro Charge
Flare Blitz/Blaze Kick
High Jump Kick
Shadow Claw/Night Slash/Swords Dance/other filler

Come in on something you can OHKO and/or force out, Nitro Charge, outspeed whatever they send in next. Even without an attack boost, it gets a surprising number of OHKOs. It works especially well as a revenge killer against slow opponents.
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If this Blaziken had Speed Boost, then it's redundant with Nitro Charge. But NC could work if Blaze was the ability, and it can also be used to finish off weakened opponents for the Speed boost.
 
PlatinumDude said:
If this Blaziken had Speed Boost, then it's redundant with Nitro Charge. But NC could work if Blaze was the ability, and it can also be used to finish off weakened opponents for the Speed boost.
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UnhandledException said:
With Nitro Charge+Speed Boost, you get a +2 after 1 turn which means you outspeed scarfers like Sazandora and Garchomp and Randorosu and what not.
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This. The point is to outspeed its usual counters, since most of them are pretty fragile.
 
Nitro Charge would certainly be better than when people opt to use Protect for whatever reason. Newsflash people, Blaziken =/= Ninjask. It can actually do shit.
 
voodoo pimp said:
Been using the Nitro Charge set for a while, so I feel like I can comment better on it now.

Blaziken@Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 whatever
Nitro Charge
Flare Blitz/Blaze Kick
High Jump Kick
Shadow Claw/Night Slash/Swords Dance/other filler

Come in on something you can OHKO and/or force out, Nitro Charge, outspeed whatever they send in next. Even without an attack boost, it gets a surprising number of OHKOs. It works especially well as a revenge killer against slow opponents.
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Kay I like this set. While I am wary of Flare Blitz+Life Orb, one can not deny the sheer wall breaking power (especially with Swords Dance in sun, seriously like nothing but Flash Fire survives) but anyhow, I think Swords, Nitro, Kick, and Blitz is probably best. I like how he outspeeds everything after that Nitro Charge (except Scarf 110s pretty much and really fast weather pokes like Doryuzu and Kingdra) and even without the boost, Hi Jump Kick is a real smack in the face which finishes off things like Garchomp. And if you get a free turn somehow, you could also choose to use Swords Dance and get even more wall smashing power. Blaziken is a freaking awesome poke.
 
Blaziken is not going to have the time to grab a boost from both Nitro Charge and Swords Dance. I'm thinking more along these lines:

Blaziken@Life Orb
Rash; 60 Atk / 232 SpA / 216 Spe

Fire Blast
Nitro Charge
Hi Jump Kick
Hidden Power Ice

A variation of MixKen, with HP Ice > HP Electric and NC > Stone Edge. If you manage to get rid of the things HP Electric and Stone Edge hit (IE Gyarados and Shandera), this set becomes very difficult to stop. HJK is 2HKOing basically all bulky water-types outside of Max/Max Bold Suicune, and does significant damage despite the "low" Atk investment of the set. Fire Blast is the main attack, with HP Ice present to cover the likes of ScarfChomp (which this set outspeeds at +2), Salamence, and other flying-types. Nitro Charge is a great move to pick off a weakened pokemon, netting you instant momentum.
 
I really think SD and three attack moves are the best option. Stone Edge or Shadow Claw are the best coverage options. Personally I'd use Wide Lens myself since it would benefit all three moves I'd be using (HJK, Blaze Kick and Stone Edge), and Sword Dance makes you plenty pwoerful if you go Adamant.
 
The accuracy of HJK is acceptable, and Stone Edge will only really be used once or twice per match anyway. On the other hand:

372 +2 LO Flare Blitz vs. Max/Max Impish Gliscor: (91.81% - 108.47%)
372 +2 LO Flare Blitz vs. 252/184 Impish Gliscor: (96.61% - 113.84%)

The OHKO on max/max Gliscor alone makes Flare Blitz an option, IMO.
 
Sure it's an option, but considering the OHKO isn't guaranteed since Poison Heal nullifies SR damage, Blaze Kick and Wide Lens would be more reliable overall. Especially since if Gliscor doesn't have his orb, he'll OHKO with Acrobat while you either have to SD, or you could fail to kill with Flare Blitz still. It's situational really.

I don't fault people that opt for LO and Flare Blitz, particularly in the Sun. I'd just prefer Wide Lens myself.
 
Jaroda said:
Sure it's an option, but considering the OHKO isn't guaranteed since Poison Heal nullifies SR damage, Blaze Kick and Wide Lens would be more reliable overall. Especially since if Gliscor doesn't have his orb, he'll OHKO with Acrobat while you either have to SD, or you could fail to kill with Flare Blitz still. It's situational really.

I don't fault people that opt for LO and Flare Blitz, particularly in the Sun. I'd just prefer Wide Lens myself.
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Blaziken will be Swords Dancing as Gliscor switches in, so unless Gliscor is at near-perfect health, it will be OHKOd (and even at full health, Blaziken still has about a 50% chance to pull it off). It is really just a case of Power vs. Survivability, but Flare Blitz is both more powerful and more accurate than Blaze Kick.

Speaking of Sun, it is worth noting that while no pokemon exist that receive both a power and speed increase, Blaziken does this through its ability. It doesn't have the instant speed, but after a boost or two it is basically operating as a Chlorophyll user with a boost to its STAB, and is quite deadly.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Speaking of Sun, it is worth noting that while no pokemon exist that receive both a power and speed increase, Blaziken does this through its ability. It doesn't have the instant speed, but after a boost or two it is basically operating as a Chlorophyll user with a boost to its STAB, and is quite deadly.
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It's worth mentioning that in Sun Blaze Kick's power becomes almost as much as Flare Blitz's would be normally, without the recoil. Fire Punch would only be slightly less but I suspect it is illegal. Imo, in Sun these moves are a lot more of an option because of said boost to them, whereas Flare Blitz is somewhat overkill in many cases, excepting beating Gliscor etc.
 
Benlisted said:
It's worth mentioning that in Sun Blaze Kick's power becomes almost as much as Flare Blitz's would be normally, without the recoil. Fire Punch would only be slightly less but I suspect it is illegal. Imo, in Sun these moves are a lot more of an option because of said boost to them, whereas Flare Blitz is somewhat overkill in many cases, excepting beating Gliscor etc.
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It can also 1-2 hit ko bulky waters like Vaporeon, Suicune, and Burungeru with Flare Blitz Swords Dance and sun (ohko on Vaporeon and Burungeru with Stealth Rock).
 
Sun Blaziken?

Blaziken (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Flamethrower
- Hi Jump Kick
- SolarBeam
- Protect

Guess people just dont like special moves... smh. Flamethrower / Fire Blast will outdamage his fire options (save Flare Blitz but nasty recoil)
 
I found that for SD sets, fire moves don't offer any notable coverage besides raw damage against gliscor. I use a set of SD/HJK/Stone edge/Night slash I've never looked back.
 
RaikouLover said:
Guess people just dont like special moves... smh. Flamethrower / Fire Blast will outdamage his fire options (save Flare Blitz but nasty recoil)
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Physical sets get SD and don't have to split their EVs. Not saying that mixed sets don't work (it still hits pretty hard), but I think that's why most people prefer physical.
 
Im skeptical of Solarbeam. Special Blaziken works just fine, it is simply inferior to physical as the stat itself is lower and Blaze lacks a move to boost SpA out of Cheer up. I would just go mixed.
 
Nubbins said:
I found that for SD sets, fire moves don't offer any notable coverage besides raw damage against gliscor. I use a set of SD/HJK/Stone edge/Night slash I've never looked back.
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Wait...ur using hi-jump kick AND fai...stone edge on the same set and your not using claw sharpen!?!?!? I just really want to know if there have been any game altering misses.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Im skeptical of Solarbeam. Special Blaziken works just fine, it is simply inferior to physical as the stat itself is lower and Blaze lacks a move to boost SpA out of Cheer up. I would just go mixed.
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That's why he mentioned the sunny day set part of it.

I wouldn't use Solarbeam on Blaze' unless I was running that sort of team. If you have it up, may as well abuse it.
 
Green Thunder said:
Wait...ur using hi-jump kick AND fai...stone edge on the same set and your not using claw sharpen!?!?!? I just really want to know if there have been any game altering misses.
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Of course there have been, but far more often that extra +1 Attack is going to make a difference. The most notable example is Burungeru, which dies to a +2 Night Slash/Shadow Claw but not +1. Claw Sharpen is not a good boosting move when there are other options, simple as that.
 
Solarbeam is generally not a good move, even in weather. And im not really understanding why everyone is up in arms about 85+ accuracy moves. Their accuracy isn't really that bad.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Solarbeam is generally not a good move, even in weather. And im not really understanding why everyone is up in arms about 85+ accuracy moves. Their accuracy isn't really that bad.
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Some people have worse luck then others. Fire blast hits almost everytime I use it,but for some else it might never hit. And blazikien doesn't really have enough bulk to be able to miss.
 
Can't do calcs on sun boosted flare blitz vs. sun boosted blaze kick, so could someone else check that out? How much stronger is flare blitz than blaze kick and is flare blitz really needed?

Using Flare Blitz, I notice that at +2 I OHKO....everything. The important things arre the ohko on rankurusu, cresselia, mew, and gliscor.
 
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