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Cinccino
- Thread starter Ryanide
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She has a few big flaws. One of Cincinno's big problem is her below average Attack stat. Base 95 is below average, so even with her powerful STAB and coverage moves, she still isn't as strong as one would hope. Her defenses are also horrible and she's vulnerable to every entry hazard, meaning she gets killed by basically anything faster or something that can survive a hit. Normal typing doesn't help either, since it offers no resistances and only one immunity. The last nail in the coffin, however, is her lack of solid options against the ever-present Steel types. Even so, Cincinno could effectively revenge kill many pokemon including rain threats, especially with a Choice Scarf. However, effective doesn't mean optimal, and Cincinno is grossly outclassed as both a revenge killer and a Rain counter.
Pair her up with magnezone, slap a choice band on her, and play to her strengths...and she can be effective.
Just curious, was this just base or with a Choice Band?
She doesn't hit as hard as people think she does. It's usually a 2HKO on neutral targets or on bulky targets that are weak to your move. And that's assuming Tail Slap even hits, which it often doesn't.
It might kill one Pokemon before being destroyed by a priority move or something faster than it.
I wouldn't recommend a Choice item because you'll be locked into a move and have to switch out every time thanks to Cinccino having a very predicable move set. If they predict Bullet Seed, you'll find a Ferrothorn coming in to resist it. Then you'll have to switch out or be OHKO'd by Gyro Ball. Ghosts can switch into Tail Slap, which will be your default option for neutral targets thanks to the STAB boost.
But it IS cute, so maybe that will distract your opponent and prevent them from predicting well.
It might kill one Pokemon before being destroyed by a priority move or something faster than it.
I wouldn't recommend a Choice item because you'll be locked into a move and have to switch out every time thanks to Cinccino having a very predicable move set. If they predict Bullet Seed, you'll find a Ferrothorn coming in to resist it. Then you'll have to switch out or be OHKO'd by Gyro Ball. Ghosts can switch into Tail Slap, which will be your default option for neutral targets thanks to the STAB boost.
But it IS cute, so maybe that will distract your opponent and prevent them from predicting well.
Hmm...... Cinncinco should replace ambipom. There stats are very similar, except ambipom has slightly higher attack. Cinncinco has many more moves to spam. The only other advantage Ambipom has is fake out. My team struggles with substitute users, so this is an interesting option.
There are plenty of Choice pokemon with predictable movesets, (Terrakion, Landorus, Jolteon) so that's not much of an argument against Choice items. If you've decided to use a Choiced pokemon, you just need to accept that there's going to be a ton of prediction involved if you want to get the most out of it. Scarf is one of her best item choices since it lets her outspeed every common threat in the metagame, including boosted Dragonite, Gyarados, and Volcarona and fast, unboosted pokemon like Tornadus-T. One of her biggest selling points is her ability to OHKO most Dragonite through Multiscale, and a Scarf lets her do that even if he managed to boost up. The same thing is true for +1 Gyarados behind a Substitute.
Life Orb is also a good option since it lets her switch moves and has a nice power boost. Plus, she's so frail that the recoil damage would hardly matter at all since she's OHKOed by basically everything.
Either way, I doubt she'll make much of a splash. Even with her good Speed, Skill Link, and decent coverage, her Attack just isn't up to snuff and her bulk is nonexistent. She has a very small niche in OU, but it's not enough to justify giving her a team slot over other physical attackers. Like I said before, she does fine in OU but there are plenty of other pokemon who do virtually the exact same thing better.
That's assuming that D-Nite doesn't lock itself into Outrage, which it will 99% of the time if you don't do something stupid like send in Ferrothorn (who obviously gets beaten by Fire Punch). There are plenty of Dragonite I've seen who don't even run Extremespeed. I see Roost and Earthquake much more often.
EDIT: 500th post!!!!
It is banded, yeah. I put it in as CB, easily overlooked.
Ok Cinccino, a "cute" pokemon but very overlooked in the metagame i don't know why because is very useful in UU and some times in OU , well i prefer this:
Cinccino
Jolly Nature
4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
Ability: Skill Link (You can get one in the gameplay, hidden in a place i don't know where)
Item: Life Orb
Moves:
Return/Tail Slap
Rock Blast
Bullet Seed
U-turn/Aqua Tail
This is the best break substitutes in UU, in OU is Cloyster, but well this is like Octillery, learns moves different with his type. Tail Slap is for break substitutes with STAB and with 125 base power will freakish hit, or Return if you want accuracy; Rock Blast for Flying, Ice, Fire, Bug types, well is for coverage that can destroy a lot of things like gyarados, volcarona, arcanine, xatu, ninetales, charizard, etc; Bullet Seed: coverage again, swampert, gastrodon, blastoise, JELLICENT, etc. and you can choice between u-turn for scout and hit hard to celebi or aqua tail for MORE COVERAGE, but will be bad in drought battles, is better in another weather.
Cinccino
Jolly Nature
4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
Ability: Skill Link (You can get one in the gameplay, hidden in a place i don't know where)
Item: Life Orb
Moves:
Return/Tail Slap
Rock Blast
Bullet Seed
U-turn/Aqua Tail
This is the best break substitutes in UU, in OU is Cloyster, but well this is like Octillery, learns moves different with his type. Tail Slap is for break substitutes with STAB and with 125 base power will freakish hit, or Return if you want accuracy; Rock Blast for Flying, Ice, Fire, Bug types, well is for coverage that can destroy a lot of things like gyarados, volcarona, arcanine, xatu, ninetales, charizard, etc; Bullet Seed: coverage again, swampert, gastrodon, blastoise, JELLICENT, etc. and you can choice between u-turn for scout and hit hard to celebi or aqua tail for MORE COVERAGE, but will be bad in drought battles, is better in another weather.
In a metagame where resistances and type match ups are everything, normal as a type is continually getting worse in OU - sacraficing a team slot for a pokemon which resists nothing and can't take a hit is generally a bad idea, this is compounded in this case by the fact that it is not deadly enough to make up for it.
It doesn't look to bad, I doubt it will get the KOs it needs without a bit of support in OU, or not at all. Base 95 attack isn't that amazing either. Also being a life orb sweeper with a sand weakness and no recovery also hurts its longevity.
Except the part where hitting ferrothorn using rocky helmet with tailslap is doing all your HP back...
Every common steel in OU walls it hard.
It's not banned. Cinccino's chance to flinch is roughly "only" 41%, iirc. Why did i say only? It might be a high number, but its not reliable at all.
And you can't compare it to Jirachi. Jirachi has 100/100/100 defenses. And an awesome defensive typing. If the opponent manages to move, Jirachi wont die to a summer breeze.
Also, cinccino suffers from a Dugtrio syndrome: Im adamant, it's too slow (to accomplish its job effectively, at least). If jolly, its too weak.
And you can't compare it to Jirachi. Jirachi has 100/100/100 defenses. And an awesome defensive typing. If the opponent manages to move, Jirachi wont die to a summer breeze.
Also, cinccino suffers from a Dugtrio syndrome: Im adamant, it's too slow (to accomplish its job effectively, at least). If jolly, its too weak.
cinccino has no punch whatsoever, it's got no bulk whatsoever, and its moves have no coverage so running choice sets is a difficult prediction game. kings rock doesn't get around that problem. simply put, it doesn't have a niche in OU.
While I'm not saying this is enough to give cinccino a niche, sub can mitigate some of the dying-to-a-summer-breezeness.
It still sucks though, ferrothorn makes it cry, and alarm can shrug off all the hits and not give a single fuck about being flinched.
It was just a little gimmick I thought might be cool.
Without life orb, it's too weak. Without leftovers, it doesn't get enough substitutes. With king's rock, it have neither.
How about this?
Cinccino @ no item
Trait: technician
EVs: 252 atk / 4 def / 252 spe
Nature: jolly
- Covet
- Tail Slap
- Rock blast
- Aqua Tail
covet can steal something like a Choice scarf from something like a Terrakion, while it can also dish some damage when boosted by Technician. Also Tail Slap will always have at least 75 power, and while it doesn't seem like much, it can still hurt starmie, ninetales and other frail Pokemon. Aqua Tail can take out tyranitar and hurt stuff that resist Tail Slap/Rock Blast(steels), especially with drizzle support. keep in mind though that you will need something to take out ferrothorn though
Cinccino @ no item
Trait: technician
EVs: 252 atk / 4 def / 252 spe
Nature: jolly
- Covet
- Tail Slap
- Rock blast
- Aqua Tail
covet can steal something like a Choice scarf from something like a Terrakion, while it can also dish some damage when boosted by Technician. Also Tail Slap will always have at least 75 power, and while it doesn't seem like much, it can still hurt starmie, ninetales and other frail Pokemon. Aqua Tail can take out tyranitar and hurt stuff that resist Tail Slap/Rock Blast(steels), especially with drizzle support. keep in mind though that you will need something to take out ferrothorn though
This is still far too weak as well as too gimmicky and situational to function well in OU. Also, if you were to use this set, Skill Link is still superior as Covet isn't worth boosting and dropping the power of Tail Slap and Rock Blast so significantly. Also, Aqua Tail is a 3-4HKO on Ttar, who 2HKOs you even uninvested in attack. You're better off running something with Knock Off if you want remove items. Or even Magic Room or Embargo quite frankly, lol.
Interesting, though probably a bit too gimmicky to be really successful. Two things:
1. I'm not sure how Covet interacts with a Normal Gem, but if it still steals something after the gem activates then that's obviously better than no item.
2. Wake-Up Slap > Aqua Tail on Technician sets, especially if it's not on a rain team.