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Crisis Core - Round Five

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Okay in response to the Altaria post: Altaria does, in fact, not beat the core because it fails to do so if it has to switch in on Vileplume.

Now, Vileplume can't do all that much damage, but the poison caused by Sludge Bomb is enough to force Altaria into a lose-lose Situation against Samurott (because it either can't heal or can't erase boosts) or just force it out of Roosts. Sludge Bomb poison isn't that arbitrary either; I did 2 battles against Django with those exact sets (the only problem being that he screwed over Altarias EV's with HP Flying so it speed tied with Samurott), and in the first one I got Sludge Bomb after 3 uses and in the second one I got it after 2 uses, which isn't arbitrary at all.

Now, Vileplume alone, if played intelligently, can waste at least 10 of Altaria's Roost PP but probably even more, since Altaria has to stay high to prevent Magmortar from revenge killing it.

After that, Samurott can just spam Swords Dance and let poison do work (since HP Flying does basically nothing) while Magmortar can just use a barrage of Thunderbolts to bring Altaria down. It isn't particularly close either; I didn't even have to reveal Magmortar at all.

Start of turn 1

send me a file called Dragonair back!

send me a file sent out Altaria!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

cbb: well i guess altaria is a good counter if sludge bomb never poisons

cbb: for the 8th time in a row now


Start of turn 2

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!


Start of turn 3

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 134 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!


Start of turn 4

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 126 HP! (35% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 27% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria was poisoned!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: oh wow!!

send me a file: there we go


Start of turn 5

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 6

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: yeah altaria loses now


Start of turn 7

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!

send me a file: lol


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 8

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 126 HP! (35% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 9

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 10

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 146 HP! (41% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 11

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 12

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 128 HP! (36% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 24% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 13

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 14

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 15

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!

ringo mogire beam is watching the battle.


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 16

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 122 HP! (34% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: I like how people are watching this

send me a file: lol


Start of turn 17

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!

cbb: y


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 11% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: very interesting

godbodor: good skill


Start of turn 18

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: how many roosts left

send me a file: 9


Start of turn 19

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 128 HP! (36% of its health)

cbb: k


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 20

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 10% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 21

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 22

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 23

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 5% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 24

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 134 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 25

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 132 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: dot


Start of turn 26

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

A critical hit!

Vileplume lost 131 HP! (37% of its health)

Vileplume fainted!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb sent out Magmortar!


send me a file: that was

send me a file: a misclick

cbb: gg man


Start of turn 27

Magmortar used Thunderbolt!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria fainted!

Magmortar is hurt by its Life Orb!

While he did make a misclick, it really didn't matter because he had less than 5 Roosts left while Magmortar was still relatively healthy and Samurott was at full health.

Start of turn 1

send me a file called Dragonair back!

send me a file sent out Altaria!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 27% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

send me a file: also

send me a file: what if it just switches in on sleep powder

send me a file: ??


Start of turn 2

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 132 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

cbb: well its faster than samurott

cbb: and we assume 2-3 turns of sleep

cbb: so it'd be like

cbb: powder, switch to samurott

send me a file: oh yeah

send me a file: nvm

cbb: swords dance

cbb: and then it wakes up and uses haze

cbb: FUCK THIS LAG


Start of turn 3

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 27% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria was poisoned!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 4

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: vileplume bailing out


Start of turn 5

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 122 HP! (34% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 6

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 9% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 7

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 128 HP! (36% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 24% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 8

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

A critical hit!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 53% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: kk


Start of turn 9

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 10

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 24% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 11

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 12

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 128 HP! (36% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 13

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 10% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 14

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 134 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

ringo mogire beam is watching the battle.


Start of turn 15

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 138 HP! (38% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: i love how we're so adamant abotu invalidating a counter


Start of turn 16

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!

send me a file: y


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 10% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: must win


Start of turn 17

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 18

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 19

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 25% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 20

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 23% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 21

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 144 HP! (40% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 22

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 138 HP! (38% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 23

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 24

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 9% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: roosts?

send me a file: 6


Start of turn 25

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 27% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: oh man

cbb: loseing


Start of turn 26

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 138 HP! (38% of its health)


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: yeah it doesn't even beat vileplume

send me a file: lol


Start of turn 27

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 122 HP! (34% of its health)

cbb: it does


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 4% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: because I'm out of sludgebomb pp

cbb: ;~;

cbb: nearly

send me a file: jeje


Start of turn 28

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Synthesis!

Vileplume regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 29

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 126 HP! (35% of its health)


Vileplume used Sludge Bomb!

Send me a file's Altaria lost 26% of its health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 30

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 140 HP! (39% of its health)


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 5% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 31

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 9% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 32

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

Vileplume lost 134 HP! (37% of its health)


Vileplume used Giga Drain!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 5% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria had its energy drained!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Vileplume restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 33

Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

It's super effective!

A critical hit!

Vileplume lost 73 HP! (20% of its health)

Vileplume fainted!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

send me a file: kk

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb sent out Samurott!


cbb: now shit is getting real

send me a file: hmmm wahts the best move

send me a file: here

send me a file: featherdance?

cbb: possibly

cbb: but I'll just spam SD anyway

cbb: lol

send me a file: yeah


Start of turn 34

Send me a file's Altaria used FeatherDance!

Samurott's Attack sharply fell!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: you either let me get a boost or can't heal

cbb: 48 pp strong


Start of turn 35

Send me a file's Altaria used FeatherDance!

Samurott's Attack sharply fell!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: yeah altaria loses


Start of turn 36

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: and magmortar shouldn't care either way


Start of turn 37

Send me a file's Altaria used FeatherDance!

Samurott's Attack sharply fell!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 38

Send me a file's Altaria used FeatherDance!

Samurott's Attack sharply fell!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 39

Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria used Hidden Power!

A critical hit!

Samurott lost 177 HP! (53% of its health)


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: !!!

cbb: hax

send me a file: >faster

send me a file: what


Start of turn 40

Samurott used Aqua Jet!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 48% of its health!

Samurott is hurt by its Life Orb!


Send me a file's Altaria used FeatherDance!

Samurott's Attack sharply fell!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: should have

send me a file: holy balls

cbb: used haze

cbb: ok I'll SD

send me a file: oh right its +4

cbb: just so we can see where it gets haze

cbb: er

cbb: where it gets you

cbb: wtf haze


Start of turn 41

Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!


Start of turn 42

Samurott used Aqua Jet!

It's not very effective...

Send me a file's Altaria lost 40% of its health!

Samurott is hurt by its Life Orb!


Send me a file's Altaria used Haze!

All stat changes were eliminated!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

cbb: 1 more roost?

send me a file: lol

send me a file: y


Start of turn 43

Samurott used Swords Dance!

Samurott's Attack sharply rose!


Send me a file's Altaria used Roost!

Send me a file's Altaria landed on the ground!

Send me a file's Altaria regained health!


Send me a file's Altaria restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Send me a file's Altaria is hurt by poison!

send me a file: then altaria loses regardless


Start of turn 44

Samurott used Waterfall!

It's not very effective...

cbb: y

Send me a file's Altaria lost 56% of its health!

Send me a file's Altaria fainted!

Samurott is hurt by its Life Orb!

Altaria being slower really didn't change a thing because it was out of Roosts at that point. For the same reason, the Sludge Bomb crit didn't matter either because Magmortar would still beat it.

So in the end, Altaria doesn't even come close to countering the core unless it gets ridiculously lucky with Sludge Bomb not poisoning.
 
This looks like a lot of fun. I play NU a bit and am not really part of the Neverused community but would like to be. Am I allowed to post here on a core I might think can beat this one?
 
Meganium (M) @ Occa Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Light Screen
- Safeguard
- Echoed Voice

Girafarig (M) @ Electric Gem
Trait: Sap Sipper
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SpD / 240 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Amnesia

Meganium outspeeds OHKOs Samurott so it forces either Magmortar or Vileplume to come in. Meganium can take a hit from either and set up Light Screen. If Vileplume came in you can set up Safeguard too. After that, you let it die, get two Calm Minds with Girafarig and sweep.
 
Activity this round has been disappointing, and asides from the discussion on Altaria no one has discussed the other counters posted at all!


There is more to this then just posting your own ideas, discuss them with other users, disprove other sets. I know this round was a challenge(it was designed to be) but if activity doesn't pick up I'll be forced to end this round early, and it is likely very few people will score at all.
 
Meganium (M) @ Occa Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Light Screen
- Safeguard
- Echoed Voice

Girafarig (M) @ Electric Gem
Trait: Sap Sipper
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SpD / 240 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Amnesia

Meganium outspeeds OHKOs Samurott so it forces either Magmortar or Vileplume to come in. Meganium can take a hit from either and set up Light Screen. If Vileplume came in you can set up Safeguard too. After that, you let it die, get two Calm Minds with Girafarig and sweep.

And what happens if the opponent has Magmortar in first? Honestly stuff like this really doesn't beat the core, as Magmortar 2HKOs both of them...
 
Thanks for the heads up Dingo and CBB. Switched Volbeat to Electrode. /me ignores Sleep Powder. lol >.>

@Raseri: FWG cores with aren't that easy to break with 2 Pokemon :d Dingo's core is probably the best example? I'll see if there is much to comment about tomorrow >.> It's a really solid core haha :d
 
There is more to this then just posting your own ideas, discuss them with other users, disprove other sets. I know this round was a challenge(it was designed to be) but if activity doesn't pick up I'll be forced to end this round early, and it is likely very few people will score at all.

To be fair, this whole concept doesn't work out as well if you use 3 Pokemon - especially with factors like Sludge Bomb poison Sleep Powder, Vital Spirit and Priority to be taken into account. It's pretty clear to see in most cases - a core either beats those three or it does not. The only one that brought up discussion was Altaria, but that can be attributed to it being a single Pokemon instead of two (when this particular core doesn't even have a single Pokemon that just beats it, mostly thanks to the factors mentioned above).

Three-Pokemon-cores also hurt versatility a lot more since most of the best counters are pretty easy to identify. It gets even more ridiculous when you factor in reservation posts, since it basically means that whoever sees the thread first/reserves the best counter first wins, instead of the one who actually makes a post about it and develops a set. Two Pokemon left a lot of room for creativity and more than one person to score high.

I really think that we should go back to two-Pokemon-cores in the next round because of that...

Anyway, I don't feel like posting a core right now so I'll do that later today.

And I can't really disprove any cores because they - like I said before - either cleanly beat the core or just don't.
 
Basically that ^

This becomes so much harder with three Pokemon, especially when one is Magmortar which has close to 0 counters anyway. Priority and Sleep moves on the other Pokemon make it even more difficult.

Also having reservations is dumb. Keep the rule about not using a Pokemon thats already been posted, but only post once you have an actual way of beating the core, or at least think you do.
 
I agree with the two posts above

Vileplume really shouldn't have Sleep Powder. It cuts down the number of viable switch-ins drastically and isn't even the standard option on the analysis.
 
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Nice (Ivysaur) (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Synthesis
- Leech Seed
- Protect


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Lose (Grumpig) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Heal Bell
- Psychic


Ivysaur walls Samurott while Grumpig walls Vileplume and Magmortar; neither of those have a chance to break their respective walls thanks to pretty reliable recovery on both.


Calcs:

48SpAtk Vileplume (Neutral) Sludge Bomb vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Thick Fat Grumpig (+SpDef): 18% - 22% (69 - 82 HP). Guaranteed 6HKO.


252SpAtk Life Orb Magmortar (Neutral) Thunderbolt vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Thick Fat Grumpig (+SpDef): 24% - 28% (88 - 105 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.


252SpAtk Life Orb Magmortar (Neutral) Fire Blast vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Thick Fat Grumpig (+SpDef): 22% - 27% (83 - 99 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.


252Atk Life Orb Torrent Samurott (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/252Def Eviolite Ivysaur (+Def): 30% - 36% (100 - 118 HP). Guaranteed 4HKO.


252Atk Life Orb +2 Torrent Samurott (+Atk) Megahorn vs 252HP/252Def Eviolite Ivysaur (+Def): 61% - 72% (198 - 234 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.


0SpAtk Overgrow Ivysaur (Neutral) Leaf Storm vs 4HP/0SpDef Eviolite Samurott (Neutral): 101% - 119% (336 - 396 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.


0SpAtk Grumpig (Neutral) Psychic vs 4HP/0SpDef Samurott (Neutral): 35% - 42% (118 - 141 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.


0SpAtk Grumpig (Neutral) Psychic vs 4HP/0SpDef Magmortar (Neutral): 31% - 38% (93 - 111 HP). Guaranteed 4HKO.


0SpAtk Grumpig (Neutral) Psychic vs 4HP/0SpDef Vileplume (Neutral): 66% - 78% (194 - 230 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

Meanwhile, Magmortar and Samurott will wear down themselves through Life Orb recoil, which means only Vileplume will be left at the end (which is easily killed off by Grumpig).

Grumpig should switch into Vileplume (absorbing Sleep or taking little damage) and then attack with Psychic while Resting once low at health. Heal Bell will wake it up eventually. Ivysaur should Synthesis after every Megahorn from Samurott and use Leaf Storm if it Swords Dances up. This core can only lose if Ivysaur gets crit by a +2 Megahorn or if Grumpig never rolls Heal Bell on Sleep Talk (both are extremely unlikely).

Edit: Oops, I guess I stole Limi's reversation ;~; but since he's a nice guy:

16:35 cbb so can I keep grumpig or do I have to change it to spoink????
16:36 Limi lol nah keep it
 
Going to go with Rotom-S+Charizard.
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Charizard @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 224 Spd / 184 SAtk / 100 Atk
Rash Nature
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Calcs:
Equake vs Magmortar: 85-101%
Fblast vs VilePlume: 119.2% - 141.2%
Hidden Power Grass vs Samurott: 51.8% - 60.9%

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Rotom-Fan @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Air Slash
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Pain Split

Calcs:
Tbolt vs Samurott: 136.1% - 160.7%
Air Slash vs Vileplume: 78% - 92.1%
Tbolt vs Magmortar: 62% - 73.2%

I only have offensive calcs right now but...Eh. The idea is to just hit all 3 pokes for SE/Neutral damage and with the right switching (If Samurott comes in on Charizard, either HPgrass or switch to Rotom-S). EVs on Zard allow it to have a chance to OHKO Magmortar (albeit a small one) and allows it to outspeed Magmortar by 1 point.
 
@cbb that grumpig is great! Being able to use Heal Bell via Sleep Talk is neat. Using 2 somewhat underrated Pokemon is a plus. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see any problems here.

@Aquaaa hiiiii :) it's a good try but doesn't really counter it as it doesn't secure the KOes and they have difficulty switching in (same problem as me Lol :x )

Regarding this core itself, FWG cores are quite good in NU as there aren't many Pokemon that can break them down alone. Trick Room.+ Zweilous could easily break them just like how it KOes everything. Magmortar having little coverage issues limits its own counters quite a lot, and considering having to switch in etc means only its hard counters will work. Vileplume has Sleep Powder to aid the core while Samurott can finish weakened foes with Aqua Jet.
 
I'll either end this tonight or tomorrow. Also if you guyss have any ideas for future cores that could work let me know via irc/forums. I have a list of possible ones but am always looking for more ideas for future rounds.
 
Does it have to switch in? I'm thinking you can just sac a poke and bring either of those 2 in and destroy from there. :P
 
Does it have to switch in? I'm thinking you can just sac a poke and bring either of those 2 in and destroy from there. :P

Lol yea. That's what I initially thought but you have to switch in lol :d there's still time to edit and change your entry!

Also limi do your entry! Lol. Shelgon is a good one
 
Well they can switch in on their respective pokes to be fair, with a bit of HP/def investment on Rotom-S it can live a Waterfall+Aqua Jet from Samurott. Only annoying thing is that sleep powder from Vileplume. Charizard wont like Tbolt from Magmortar but Rotom-S doesn't mind and they both outspeed Magmortar anyway.
 
Well they can switch in on their respective pokes to be fair, with a bit of HP/def investment on Rotom-S it can live a Waterfall+Aqua Jet from Samurott. Only annoying thing is that sleep powder from Vileplume. Charizard wont like Tbolt from Magmortar but Rotom-S doesn't mind and they both outspeed Magmortar anyway.

Charizard gets OHKOed by Magmortar :d
Thunderbolt: 302-356 (101.68 - 119.86%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Rotom-S is nearly OHKOed by Fire Blast but dies with Life Orb recoil anyway
Fire Blast: 234-276 (97.09 - 114.52%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

I take it that we have to switch in on the worst case possible? >.> Correct me if I'm wrong :x
 
I take it that we have to switch in on the worst case possible?
We have to counter the existing core - which is exactly that. So no, Rotom-S + Charizard does not beat the core (not even close).

100th post jejejejejeje
 
Fair do. Damn myself for forgetting what counter means. Is it possible to submit a new one or edit my old one for a new core?
 
you can do either, it doesn't really matter as long as you submit a counter before the deadline (which was supposed to be a few days ago :/) I think.
 
Sorry for the delay, real life caught up with me and I had to go on a short notice hiatus. I'll tally the points for last round soon ut for now I'll post an easier core for you guys to handle!

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@ Leftovers
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Body Slam
- Heal Bell

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@ Eviolite
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Ball
- Taunt
- Pain Split

Some rules for this round:

Stealth Rock is assumed to be on both sides. And if I deem a set to be completely useless outside of the core I can count it for negative points. Emphasis on completely, you can use niche and underrated mons but no spdef hp fighting cacturnes or anything like that.
 
Too easy

Edit: Didn't see the fact that the set had to be viable outside of the core; still too easy!!

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Ursaring @ Flame Orb
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Facade
- Swords Dance

Ursaring can come in on any move Misdreavus uses and smash it with a SD boosted Crunch; Misdeavus cannot do anything to Ursaring. Lickilicky cannot 2HKO with Body Slam (3HKO with Flame Orb factored in, 4HKO if Ursaring gets paralyzed on the switch), so Ursaring can switch in freely as well. Close Combat nets a OHKO on Lickilicky after a Guts boost.

252 +2 Atk Guts Ursaring (+Atk) Crunch vs 252 HP/228 Def Eviolite Misdreavus (+Def) : 119.14% - 140.74%

252 Atk Guts Ursaring (+Atk) Close Combat vs 252 HP/0 Def Lickilicky: 106.13% - 125%

0 Atk Lickilicky Body Slam vs 252 HP/0 Def Ursaring: 26.56% - 31.51%
 
Emboar @ Lum Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Heat Crash / Flare Blitz
- Brick Break
- Rest
- Bulk Up

It has no trouble switching in on anything from Lickilicky but Body Slam. Body Slam will do 30.31 - 35.9% to Emboar, but it easily lives and can stack Bulk Ups while Resting off damage. Worst case scenario, Lickilicky paralyzes with Body Slam, eating up the Lum Berry or crits Emboar. Nothing else that Licki does will bother Emboar in the slightest.

Switching in on Misdreavus is a little trickier, since Taunt can block off your recovery/boosting. Regardless, Heat Crash (if I did my calcs right and it uses the same formula as Heavy Slam, which I'm fairly sure it does) does 43.2 - 50.92% to Misdreavus, which is a 97.66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock. In return, Misdreavus only does 28.72 - 34.04% with Shadow Ball, which has a small chance to not even 3HKO. Emboar outspeeds and will 3HKO with Heat Crash at the very worst and can utilize LumRest if necessary. Note that against Misdreavus, Heat Crash has the same BP as Flare Blitz and doesn't cause recoil, making it likely the ideal move in a Bulk Up set. If the quality of the set is called into question, I could certainly use Flare Blitz on it but the recoil is probably detrimental in some form lol.

The absolute worst situation would be along the lines of Lickilicky Body Slam para > Misdreavus getting a crit from Shadow Ball / SpD drop, since Shadow Ball can 2HKO especially if it crits or gets SpD drops. After switching in and taking a max of 36%, Emboar will be able to set up on Lickilicky with Bulk Up, where it has a guaranteed OHKO on Licki with Brick Break at +1, although you should be boosting to +2 in order to OHKO Missy. Misdreavus comes in, and Emboar will outspeed and OHKO after SR with a +2 Heat Crash. VS Missy, Taunt will block off your boosts so proceed to 2HKO with Heat Crash after SR. If Missy leads with Shadow Ball as you switch in, you can Rest in a later turn if needed. Missy taking a turn to Taunt you allows you to 2HKO with Heat Crash and not take any further damage. If you're low on HP after beating Missy / you aren't Taunted, Rest vs Lickilicky and recover all of your health, and then you can Bulk Up. Brick Break will 2HKO Lickilicky regardless.

This would be the ideal Bulk Up Emboar set, as Superpower negates the Bulk Up boosts and Flare Blitz causes recoil.
 
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Scraggy (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Shed Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 232 SDef / 20 spe
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Crunch
- Rest

Scraggy is very bulky and can switch in on Lickilicky's body slam with ease, while resisting misdreavus's shadow ball and having shed skin to cure WoW or a body slam para, it can easily set up a bulk up on licki, and can just spam crunch on misdreavus until it switches/dies. Taunt could be annoying but take into account that a good player could predict the taunt and crunch on the same turn, or use bulk up on the wisp, after missy goes down scraggy drain punches licki for the ko and gets all its health back. Speed evs are to bulk up before licki can body slam. here are calcs to prove scraggy can wall the core.

licki body slam vs +0 scraggy 206 Atk vs 264 Def & 304 HP (80 Base Power): 67 - 81 (22.04% - 26.64%)

licki body slam vs +1 scraggy 206 Atk vs 352 Def & 304 HP (80 Base Power): 51 - 61 (16.78% - 20.07%)

+1 scraggy drain punch vs licki 279 Atk vs 226 Def & 424 HP (75 Base Power): 200 - 236 (47.17% - 55.66%) <-- enough to restore all its health back after two body slams

+0 scraggy crunch vs missy 186 Atk vs 360 Def & 324 HP (80 Base Power): 90 - 108 (27.78% - 33.33%)

+1 scraggy crunch vs missy 279 Atk vs 360 Def & 324 HP (80 Base Power): 134 - 162 (41.36% - 50.00%)

missy cant do much back at all except burn it and hope that shed skin doesnt activate for 8 turns
 
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