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Fortemons
Fortemons
What if your attacks could gain additional effects based on what attack is held in the item slot? Instead of holding an item, you can instead hold an attack, giving all of the attacks in your move-slots the primary and secondary effects of that held move. For instance: Braviary can hold Body Slam to give all of its attacks a 30% to paralyze, or you can run Sheer Force on Braviary with Air Slash as its held move, giving all of its other attacks such as Brave Bird, the Sheer Force boost.
Rules:
Mechanic:
An attack put into the item slot will grant its primary and secondary effects to all of the attacks in the move-slots. The regular attack maintains its base power, accuracy, typing, physical or special, and original primary and secondary effects. Status moves cannot be put into the Item-slot, nor will they grant any additional effects in Fortemons. The mechanic will only work with attacks.
For example: Holding Fire Punch grants the properties of being a punching move, makes contact, and has a 10% to burn. Sludge Bomb would be a 90BP Special Attack with a 30% to poison, categorized as a bullet move, and boosted by Sheer Force, as well as the aforementioned effects gained through Fire Punch.
Strategy:
The ability to stack secondary effects means that both offensive and defensive Pokemon alike have newfound synergy with their already existing move-sets. Defensive Pokemon can mitigate their passiveness by stacking effects that give them increased odds to fish for status or by increasing their damage output through DoTs or stat decreases. Conversely, offensive threats can further augment their ability to sweep and wallbreak by using moves that lower the opponents stats or by creating offensive synergy through abilities such as Sheer Force or Tough Claws. Some Pokemon might also like to retain their Items, which could create mind games as to what they could be holding in the Item-slot.
FAQ:
How does Swift work? Does it grant 100% accuracy to all attacks?
-Itemized moves do not pass their accuracy on to move-slot moves.
How does Knock Off work?
-Itemized moves cant be knocked off or removed in any way such as Trick or Fling. Knock Off would remain 65BP.
How does move legality work?
-Pokemon can only use moves they have access to in the Item-slot.
Can I itemize a move and also use it as a moveslot?
-No, one or the other.
How do itemized effects stack with move effects?
-It is two separate rolls. If you would roll for a 30% Thunder paralysis and then roll for a 10% Thunderbolt paralysis for a 37% total chance, rather than adding 30+10 and having a 40% chance overall. When it comes to healing, you'll heal once for 50% (assuming Giga Drain) and then once again for 50% (assuming another move like Mega Drain)- so in this particular case, you'll be effectively healing additively for 100% of the damage dealt.
Which order do the primary/secondary effects occur?
- temized effects happen after effects from moves in the move slot. Primary effects will occur before secondary effects for both.
What happens if I stack secondary effects like contact moves in the Item-slot and Move-slot with abilities like Tough Claws or Sheer Force?
-Abilities are only applied once in Fortemons. For example, even if there's a contact move in both the item and the move slot, Tough Claws applies once. The same concept applies to abilities like Triage and Sheer Force.
What would happen if I had Tera Blast in the Item-slot and Terastallized?
-Your move-slot attacks would change to either Special or Physical, as well as their typing accordingly similar to Tera Blast in this scenario.
Does Rage Fist and Last Respects pass its BP boosting?
-Both moves would pass their conditional BP boosts.
Does holding Body Press mean Special Attacks use the Defense stat for damage calculation?
-Yes.
What happens if I put Low Kick of Electro Ball in the Item slot?
- Whatever BP those moves would be, the rest of your attacks would mirror that BP. If your opponent had Steelix out for example, Low Kick would be 120 BP, meaning all of your attacks would become 120 BP. This also applies even if you have something like Hyper Beam, which is 150 BP, since the effect being transferred is the conditional damage based on Speed or weight.
Will High-Crit Ratio stack if I put it in the Item slot?
-Yes, it will be similar to holding a Scope Lens along with all the added flags that attack may have like Slicing.
What happens if I have Weather Ball in the Item slot?
-All of your attacks will change types depending on the Weather currently in play, as well as gain the double damage property if Weather is up.
Is Sheer Force bugged?
-As of right now, we're led to believe that it's working fine when it removes the stat dropping secondary effects from moves like CC, or the recharge effect from moves like Giga Impact. Though we are not entirely sure why Recoil is not removed while those are. We do believe that Sheer Force is working as of right now, and it may be due to the interaction of how Sheer Force removes secondary effects for increased damage now being applied to all moves (even with one possessing secondary effects not applicable to Sheer Force). Recoil seems to be the odd one out in this situation.
How does Rollout work?
-Your first attack will be the move you picked, and then next turn it will lock you into Rollout with the stacks added. If you used a multi-hit, then next turn you will get Rollout with 3 stacks applied.
How does Future Sight work?
-Attacks don't come out 2 turns later with Future Sight in the item slot, but Future Sight in the item slot seems to let you bypass immunity. Based on the coding, this may be intentional.
How does Magic Room work?
-Magic Room will work on regular items but not fortes.
Why isn't Hydro Steam working?
Hydro Steam doesn't have an effect to pass. Instead Sunny Day interacts with it and boosts it as a weather effect. This is not applied to Psyblade and Electric Terrain though.
-Itemized moves do not pass their accuracy on to move-slot moves.
How does Knock Off work?
-Itemized moves cant be knocked off or removed in any way such as Trick or Fling. Knock Off would remain 65BP.
How does move legality work?
-Pokemon can only use moves they have access to in the Item-slot.
Can I itemize a move and also use it as a moveslot?
-No, one or the other.
How do itemized effects stack with move effects?
-It is two separate rolls. If you would roll for a 30% Thunder paralysis and then roll for a 10% Thunderbolt paralysis for a 37% total chance, rather than adding 30+10 and having a 40% chance overall. When it comes to healing, you'll heal once for 50% (assuming Giga Drain) and then once again for 50% (assuming another move like Mega Drain)- so in this particular case, you'll be effectively healing additively for 100% of the damage dealt.
Which order do the primary/secondary effects occur?
- temized effects happen after effects from moves in the move slot. Primary effects will occur before secondary effects for both.
What happens if I stack secondary effects like contact moves in the Item-slot and Move-slot with abilities like Tough Claws or Sheer Force?
-Abilities are only applied once in Fortemons. For example, even if there's a contact move in both the item and the move slot, Tough Claws applies once. The same concept applies to abilities like Triage and Sheer Force.
What would happen if I had Tera Blast in the Item-slot and Terastallized?
-Your move-slot attacks would change to either Special or Physical, as well as their typing accordingly similar to Tera Blast in this scenario.
Does Rage Fist and Last Respects pass its BP boosting?
-Both moves would pass their conditional BP boosts.
Does holding Body Press mean Special Attacks use the Defense stat for damage calculation?
-Yes.
What happens if I put Low Kick of Electro Ball in the Item slot?
- Whatever BP those moves would be, the rest of your attacks would mirror that BP. If your opponent had Steelix out for example, Low Kick would be 120 BP, meaning all of your attacks would become 120 BP. This also applies even if you have something like Hyper Beam, which is 150 BP, since the effect being transferred is the conditional damage based on Speed or weight.
Will High-Crit Ratio stack if I put it in the Item slot?
-Yes, it will be similar to holding a Scope Lens along with all the added flags that attack may have like Slicing.
What happens if I have Weather Ball in the Item slot?
-All of your attacks will change types depending on the Weather currently in play, as well as gain the double damage property if Weather is up.
Is Sheer Force bugged?
-As of right now, we're led to believe that it's working fine when it removes the stat dropping secondary effects from moves like CC, or the recharge effect from moves like Giga Impact. Though we are not entirely sure why Recoil is not removed while those are. We do believe that Sheer Force is working as of right now, and it may be due to the interaction of how Sheer Force removes secondary effects for increased damage now being applied to all moves (even with one possessing secondary effects not applicable to Sheer Force). Recoil seems to be the odd one out in this situation.
How does Rollout work?
-Your first attack will be the move you picked, and then next turn it will lock you into Rollout with the stacks added. If you used a multi-hit, then next turn you will get Rollout with 3 stacks applied.
How does Future Sight work?
-Attacks don't come out 2 turns later with Future Sight in the item slot, but Future Sight in the item slot seems to let you bypass immunity. Based on the coding, this may be intentional.
How does Magic Room work?
-Magic Room will work on regular items but not fortes.
Why isn't Hydro Steam working?
Hydro Steam doesn't have an effect to pass. Instead Sunny Day interacts with it and boosts it as a weather effect. This is not applied to Psyblade and Electric Terrain though.
Resources: VR and Move-list in progress
Playability: This format is challengeable
Council:
ponchlake (Leader)
KaenSoul
Chrome8
kennukem
DuckyClauses: Standard OMs, Sleep Clause Mod, Min Source Gen=9
Ban History:
1/17/2023: Houndstone banned and Flinch moves restricted from Item slot
1/21/2023: Fury Cutter and Flame Charge are restricted from Item slot. Multi-hit moves are unrestricted from Item slot.
1/25/2023: Baton Pass is banned
1/27/2023: Cloyster is banned
1/31/2023: Low Kick and Grass Knot are restricted from Item slot
2/11/2023: Riolu and Serene Grace are banned. Spit Up is restricted from Item slot
2/27/2023: Moody is banned and Flame Charge is unrestricted from Item slot
3/1/2023: Shadow Tag and Arena Trap are banned
3/3/2023: Chien Pao, Espathra, Chi-Yu, Flutter Mane, Iron Bundle, and Weavile are banned. Rapid Spin is unrestricted from the Item slot
3/14/2023: Dragonite, Azumarill, Annihilape, and Beat Up are Banned. Freeze, Flail, and Heavy Slam are restricted. Weavile is unbanned.
Banlist:
Pokemon:
Moves:
Miraidon
Koraidon
Palafin
Houndstone
Cloyster
Riolu
Chi-Yu
Chien Pao
Espathra
Flutter Mane
Iron Bundle
Great Tusk
Dragonite
Azumarill
Annihilape
Moves:
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Arm Thrust, Bone Rush, Bullet Seed, Beat Up, Double Hit, Double Kick, Dragon Darts, Dual Wingbeat, Fury Attack, Fury Swipes, Icicle Spear, Pin Missile, Population Bomb, Rock Blast, Scale Shot, Surging Strikes, Tail Slap, Triple Axel, Triple Dive, Twin Beam, Water Shuriken
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Vacuum Wave, Water Shuriken, Accelerock, Aqua Jet, Bullet Punch, Extreme Speed, Fake Out, Feint, Ice Shard, First Impression, Jet Punch, Mach Punch, Quick Attack, Shadow Sneak, Sucker Punch
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Night Shade, Seismic Toss, Ruination, Super Fang, Endeavor
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Inferno, Zap Cannon, Dynamic Punch, Nuzzle
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Air Slash, Astonish, Bite, Dark Pulse, Dragon Rush, Extrasensory, Fake Out, Fiery Wrath, Fire Fang, Headbutt, Ice Fang, Icicle Crash, Iron Head, Rock Slide, Snore, Stomp, Thunder Fang, Twister, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt, Zing Zap
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Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Freezing Glare, Ice Beam, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Powder Snow, Tri Attack
- Low Kick/Grass Knot (Item)
- Heavy Slam (Item)
- Fury Cutter (Item)
- Stored Power (Item)
- Power Trip (Item)
- Mud Slap (Item)
- Baton Pass (Move)
- Pivot moves (U-Turn, Volt Switch, Flip Turn) (Item)
- Flail (Item)
- Reversal (Item)
- Beat Up (Item/Move)
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Two-Turn moves don't work (Bounce, Dig, Dive, Fly, Meteor Beam, Phantom Force, Shadow Force, Sky Attack, Solar Beam, Solar Blade). Hydro Steam has its properties as an effect of the weather instead of itself. Perfect Accuracy moves don't have a code to pass as is just a value (Aerial Ace, Aura Sphere, Clear Smog, Disarming Voice, False Surrender, Flower Trick, Hyperspace Fury, Hyperspace Hole, Kowtow Cleave, Magical Leaf, Shadow Punch, Shock Wave, Smart Strike, Swift) but their other characteristics, if any, are passed
- Serene Grace
- Arena Trap
- Shadow Tag
- Moody
- Covert Cloak
Watchlist:
Moves in Item Slot:
- Trailblaze
- Rage Fist
- Salt Cure
- Reversal
Pokemon:
Iron Moth
Volcarona
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Iron Treads (Body Press, Rapid Spin)
Meowscarada (Flower Trick)
Skeledirge (Flame Charge, Heavy Duty Boots, Torch Song)
Corviknight (Rocky Helmet, Body Slam, Body Press)
Cyclizar (Sitrus Berry, Rapid Spin)
Dondozo (Avalanche, Leftovers, Body Press)
Dragapult (Assurance, Hex, Tera Blast)
Garganacl (Body Press, Avalanche, Leftovers, Body Slam, Salt Cure)
Glimmora (Mortal Spin, Focus Sash)
Hatterene (Draining Kiss)
Iron Valiant (Choice Scarf, Charge Beam, Booster Energy)
Kingambit (Retaliate, Leftovers, Snarl)
Pelipper (Damp Rock, Hurricane, Chilling Water)
Kilowattrel (Weatherball)
Qwilfish (Fell Stinger)
Floatzel (Choice Band)
Barraskewda (Choice Band, Tera Blast)
Quaquaval (Rapid Spin)
Ting Lu (Leftovers, Payback, Sand Tomb, Body Slam)
Torkoal (Body Press, Heat Rock)
Walking Wake (Life Orb)
Amoonguss (Foul Play, Clear Smog, Rocky Helmet)
Breloom (Life Orb, Rock Tomb, Force Palm)
Ceruledge (Bitter Blade)
Cinderace (Trailblaze)
Garchomp (Rocky Helmet, Life Orb, Rock Tomb, Dragon Breath)
Gholdengo (Charge Beam, Choice Scarf, Hex)
Greninja (Lick, Chilling Water)
Roaring Moon (Booster Energy, Dragon Breath, Fire Spin, Snarl)
Rotom-Wash (Thunder, Leftovers, Hex)
Toxapex (Infestation)
Zoroark-Hisui (Choice Scarf, Hex)
Iron Hands (Drain Punch)
Orthworm (Sitrus Berry, Body Press)
Clodsire (Leftovers)
Hydreigon (Fire Spin, Bulldoze, Dragon Breath)
Iron Leaves (Giga Drain, Psyblade)
Forretress (Body Press, Gyro Ball)
Gallade (Sacred Sword)
Gastrodon (Leftovers, Clear Smog)
Grimmsnarl (Light Clay)
Iron Jugulis (Charge Beam)
Lucario (Tera Blast)
Lycanroc-Dusk (Crush Claw)
Noivern (Tera Blast)
Pawmot (Electro Ball)
Slither Wing (Giga Drain)
Tinkaton (Foul Play, Draining Kiss)
Tatsugiri (Rapid Spin)
Arcanine (Tera Blast)
Medicham (Trailblaze)
Sylveon (Draining Kiss)
Glimmora makes for some crazy role compression with special edgequake coverage, the potential to set all three hazards, and the ability to do damage while also cleaning hazards AND poisoning the opponent. You can't even spinblock with a steel type, since your spinning move is now Ground-type! Great stuff.
Extra utility from having chance to Toxic while spamming Knock Off and U-turn. It wouldn't like giving up Prankster Parting Shot though.
With Strong Jaw, all its moves are boosted by 50% and can Toxic, most notably Wave Crash and Aqua Jet. Still limited by poor coverage and bad stats though. Maybe Terablast could help.
Toxic doesn't pair super well on setup sweepers, but it can at least punish several bulky switchins. It's worth asking if it interacts with Corrosion, in which case it would be pretty cool for things like Toxapex, but I'm guessing not, as Corrosion doesn't work with Sludge Bomb after all.
Also kinda cool for punishing switchins but doesn't really complement Tinted Lens
