Nah, but I have always wanted to visit. No Eiffel Towers in Canada, it’s just that Canadians are nice, including French Canadians from Quebec.
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I had just finished editing my Vote Count post above, as I saw yours. Thank you.
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I actually edited it as you were typing up your edit. Interesting how it relates to my edits anyways.
I feel bad for Jerry! First he doesn't win Noctowl, and I win with it, then he doesn't win with Torterra and you submit it.
Pokémon: Torterra
Typing: Grass / Ground
Abilities: Rock Head / Sturdy / Adaptability
Stats: 100 / 141 / 130 / 60 / 92 / 77 (600 BST)
New Moves: None
Competitive (niche in Ubers): Torterra is the yin to Dusk Mane Necrozma's yang, lacking a good defensive typing and role compression; but instead gaining a devastatingly powerful offensive typing and ability to better handle pokemon that Necrozma-DM would be weak to, such as Marshadow and Zygarde-C. As opposed to Necrozma-DM, Torterra doesn't have a wide pool of coverage moves for a good reason: it won't need them - Torterra gets by with its standard attacking moves of Wood Hammer, Earthquake, and Stone Edge. Its STABs alone hit a good chunk of the tier for super effective damage, while Stone Edge as its only coverage move lets it pick off pokemon that would wall it otherwise, such as Ho-Oh, Mega Salamence, and Yveltal, leaving Zygarde-C and Ferrothorn as the only true counters to Torterra. However, Torterra's typing is a double-edged sword - while incredibly powerful offensively, Grass / Ground curses it with weaknesses to common attacking types in Fire, Flying, and a quad weakness to Ice - so it has to be careful of coverage moves of those types from the likes of Marshadow and Dusk Mane Necrozma, which is the main reason why Torterra can't run a defensive set. Moreover, Torterra's disappointing speed tier forces it to move last the majority of the time, which combined with its vulnerability to strong special and super effective attacks from the likes of Yveltal and PDon, constricts its effectiveness as an offensive threat.
Weakness Policy + Rock Polish
Torterra @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Wood Hammer
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Reserving Silvally and Vespiquen next.
We do have new people involved, hence many people as recent as last slate submitting their first submission.
Yeah, that’s pretty strong. Victini’s STAB V-Create has an effective base power of 270 coming off of a just barely higher base Attack, so I guess it’s on par with that. It should be fine since anything immune to Water or Fighting can switch in against it, including You-Know-Who.
Pretty neat. I’m echoing OM! ’s sentiments of adding Head Smash and a Ground recoil move; otherwise there’s really not much reason for Torterra to even run Rock Head. (Fun fact: I initially typed up pretty much the exact same argument as OM!, at some parts almost word-for-word identical, because I didn’t read through the rest of the thread before going to add my input. Then I went to reply to another post and saw that my ideas had been stolen before I had them. I hate being retrocausally mind-robbed!)
Pokémon: Torterra
Typing: Grass / Ground
Abilities: Rock Head / Sturdy / Adaptability
Stats: 100 / 141 / 130 / 60 / 92 / 77 (600 BST)
New Moves: None
Competitive (niche in Ubers): Torterra is the yin to Dusk Mane Necrozma's yang, lacking a good defensive typing and role compression; but instead gaining a devastatingly powerful offensive typing and ability to better handle pokemon that Necrozma-DM would be weak to, such as Marshadow and Zygarde-C. As opposed to Necrozma-DM, Torterra doesn't have a wide pool of coverage moves for a good reason: it won't need them - Torterra gets by with its standard attacking moves of Wood Hammer, Earthquake, and Stone Edge. Its STABs alone hit a good chunk of the tier for super effective damage, while Stone Edge as its only coverage move lets it pick off pokemon that would wall it otherwise, such as Ho-Oh, Mega Salamence, and Yveltal, leaving Zygarde-C and Ferrothorn as the only true counters to Torterra. However, Torterra's typing is a double-edged sword - while incredibly powerful offensively, Grass / Ground curses it with weaknesses to common attacking types in Fire, Flying, and a quad weakness to Ice - so it has to be careful of coverage moves of those types from the likes of Marshadow and Dusk Mane Necrozma, which is the main reason why Torterra can't run a defensive set. Moreover, Torterra's disappointing speed tier forces it to move last the majority of the time, which combined with its vulnerability to strong special and super effective attacks from the likes of Yveltal and PDon, constricts its effectiveness as an offensive threat.
Weakness Policy + Rock Polish
Torterra @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Wood Hammer
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Reserving Silvally and Vespiquen next.
Yes! I’ve always been a proponent of a draining Ghost move involving draining souls/life energy. It genuinely baffles me that they haven’t done it in the main games yet. Triage with base 130 Attack and strong draining STAB reminds me a lot of AAA Buzzwole, which is one of my favorite mons to use. Triage Strength Sap also sounds like it could be tremendously useful. I’m really liking this design and concept.
Pokemon: Parasect
Typing: Bug/Ghost
Abilities: Effect Spore / Dry Skin | HA: Triage
Stats: 95/130/105/85/105/50 (BST:570)
New Attacks: Soul Eater, Horn Leech, Drain Punch, Draining Kiss, Strength Sap, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak
Soul Eater: The user drains the life force of the opponent, healing themselves
Ghost, Physical, 80BP, 100ACC, 10PP (16 Max), User recovers 50% of the damage dealt
I've left Effect Spore and Dry Skin mainly for flavour purposes. Triage, on the other hand, is my idea of breaking the game. Being infected by a parasitic fungus, Parasect is more dead than alive anyway, hence the Ghost type. Additionally, due to the parasitic nature of the fungus, Parasect would be equipped to siphon the life of other living things.
Competitive Niche: Parasect functions as a revenge killer for offensive threats, like E-killer Arceus and Marshadow, or annoy things with Spore and Strength Sap. Triage helps to compensate for its mediocre speed, allowing it to out prioritize most of the metagame. Its bulk helps it to tank hits from uninvested bulky walls, giving it opportunities to set up and wreck, becoming a late game threat. However, as high as 130 Attack is, even with a Life Orb, it still falls short on knocking out several metagame threats at +2, like bulky Geomancy Xerneas and Primal Groudon. Ghost/Bug is also a poor defensive typing, and Bug isn't even a good offensive type. Despite the flaws, with a new ability and moves to abuse it with, this bug hopefully gets a new lease of life in the Ubers tier.
Parasect @ Life Orb
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Soul Eater
- Drain Punch / Leech Life
- Drain Punch / Leech Life / Spore / Aromatherapy
Spore neutralizes would-be check and grant an opportunity for set-up, Aromatherapy is really just there in case of Toxic.
Parasect @ Assault Vest
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Soul Eater
- Leech Life
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
Eat Moonblasts for breakfast.
Parasect @ Leftovers
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spore
- Strength Sap
- Soul Eater
- Drain Punch / Swords Dance
A bulky set-up sweeping set is viable, especially with Spore and Strength Sap forcing switches.
I’m not really sure how to feel about this one. On the one hand, we’ve already got about ten billion physical wallbreakers, and this one seems braindead even by the standards of hyper offense. On the other hand, hee hoo bird beat Ubers. (Also, doesn’t Fearow already get Double-Edge?)
Pokemon: Fearow
Typing: Normal/Flying
Abilities: Keen Eye / Sniper | HA: Reckless
Stats: 69/175/69/61/69/127 (BST: 570)
New Moves: Brave Bird, Double Edge, Superpower, Taunt
Why think so much when you can just click buttons? From the Ultra Sun Pokedex entry: "Carrying food through Fearow's territory is dangerous. It will snatch the food away from you in a flash!" That speaks Reckless to me, and so here we are. The main thought process behind this is "hee hoo bird beat ubers". Taunt is there for when your food gets taken away.
Competitive Niche: It's a physical breaker. What more can be said? You could always meme with Focus Energy Scope Lens sets and break through defensive mons. The rare speed tier of base 127 allows it to outpace most +1 Quiver Dancers available.
Fearow @ Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- Superpower
- U-turn
Hit hard die fast.
Fearow @ Scope Lens
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Focus Energy
- Brave Bird
- Drill Run / Superpower
- Frustration / Taunt / Agility / Roost
Crits ignore the attack drops from Superpower, while Drill Run does hit Primal Groudon and Dusk Mane harder. Taunt for stuff that try to set-up/status/recover, Agility to clean up late game and Roost for slight longevity.
You should probably buff Attack. Rush gives +1 Speed on switch-in, so Speed doesn’t need much improving. I think Normal/Ground is a good typing for Raticate, and if we’re doing the whole “it gets a bunch of recoil moves” thing (this does seem to be the recoil moves slate), we might as well go all the way and make a custom Ground attack with recoil. Who knows, maybe Torterra and Raticate can have the same custom attack!
I mentioned more defensive Pokemon bc based on the Role Compendum, the category where we have the most Pokemon is Physical Offense.Oh dear oh dear I am a bit late am I? Didn’t expect people to reply early. I’ll get the Walrein, Carbink and Emolga subs up soon.
BTW Jerry the great maybe it was because you submitted Torterra late.
Edit: I literally built my subs in an old post so I don’t have to think up too much and can post as early as possible XD.
Now who asked for Defensive Pokemon?
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Pokémon: Walrein
Typing: Water-Ice
Abilities: Winter Sky, Thick Fat, Ice Body
Custom Ability Description (if applicable): Winter Sky: activates Northern Lights on Switch-in. (Northern Lights: all Electric and Ice type Pokemon have their Speed doubled for 5 turns. Effect is stackable.)
Stats: 110 / 115 / 90 / 20 / 200 / 65 (BST 600)
New Moves: Recover
Custom Move Information (if applicable):
Custom Move Description (what effects it has):
Flavor: I gave it the ability for this guy:
Competitive (niche in Ubers): A new Defensive Pokemon that could possibly overthrow Blissey! (No that’s a joke nothing could overthrow Blissey). High Special Defense, good HP and a reasonable Defense mean this Pokemon can function as a good wall.
Defensive / Specially Defensive
Walrein @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def (252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD)
Relaxed Nature (Sassy Nature)
- Recover
- Scald
- Literally anything else you need
- ^^
Mega Ampharos lead (aka don’t use unless you want to get 100 loses in a row)
Walrein @ Leftovers
Ability: Northern Lights
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- literally anything you want
- literally anything you want
- literally anything you want
- literally anything you want
Primal Groudon: With Rock-type attacks, Primal Groudon also has ridiculously high Attack which makes it hurt a ton as it goes for Walrein’s low Defense. It’s Desolate Land ability event prevents Walrein from doing much to it and makes Walrein as useless as a fish dying in the sun; oh wait it is a fish dying in the sun.
Fighting-types: Fighting-type Pokemon like Marshadow and Lucario-Mega aim for Walrein’s lower Defense: combine that with their Super-effective attacks and Walrein is essentially dead.
Zekrom: With its mainly Physical attacks and a preference for Electric especially (looking at you Fusion Bolt) Walrein cannot last long with this monster.
To add after playtesting
Pokemon that can counter, check and annihilate Primal Groudon is needed before you even send Walrein into battle. The Pokemon best suited for this are Pokemon that have abilities that restrict Desolated Land like Wailord and Castform. Alternatively, Ground-type Pokemon like Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C are good alternatives. Pokemon that can handle Fighting-types as well as Zekrom are appreciated. Although there can be more than one, Xerneas checks both and can be a threatening Sweeper in her own right. She can’t check Lucario though, so a back-up Pokemon such as Groudon-Primal or Lugia would be safer.
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Pokémon: Carbink
Typing: Rock-Fairy
Abilities: Diamond Armor, Sturdy
Custom Ability Description (if applicable): Filter clone.
Stats: 100 / 50 / 150 / 100 / 150 / 50 (BST 600)
New Moves: Wish, Heal Bell, Carbon Storm, Recover
Custom Move Information (if applicable):
Carbon Storm: Rock-type, 100 Base Power, 95% Accuracy, Special, 8 PP.
Custom Move Description (what effects it has): 50% chance to raise the user’s Defence by 2 for each hit
Z-Move - Continental Crush: Rock-type; 180 Base Power, Special.
Competitive (niche in Ubers): Carbink was originally a very Defensive Pokemon, with 50/150/150 bulk. However, this Pokemon had too little hp to be good. The change was simple: increase the HP stat. And so we have it here. With a bit of tweaks, this Pokemon has the bulk to be a decent wall, and with new Special Offenses, it’s Attack an can hurt. However, Necrozma-DM hurts its viability extremely: even with Diamond Armor and huge (if not too high) bulk, a Searing Sunraze Smash would be a nigh unwallable Attack.
Defensive
Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Diamond Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Recover
- Heal Bell / Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Carbon Storm
Specially Defensive
Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Diamond Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Recover
- Heal Bell / Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Carbon Storm
Wish
Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Diamond Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
- Carbon Storm
Trick Room setter (Stealth Rock setter possible by making Speed IVs 0 and switching Trick Room for something else)
Carbink @ Mental Herb
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Carbon Storm
Offensive Tank
Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Diamond Armor
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Carbon Storm
- Moonblast
- Recover
Steel-types: Due to Carbink’s overwhelming 4x weakness to Steel, any and all Pokemon that at least use Steel-type attacks are a nightmare to it, and let’s not give poor little Carbink nightmares (Fighting Rayquaza and all the rest is nightmare enough for it!). Even with Diamond Armor, Steel-type attacks still deal 3x damage. The worst offenders of this sort are usually Necrozma-DM, Magearna, and Scizor-Mega.
Water-types: although Water-types deal 1.5x damage to it, they can still be nasty, with Primal Kyogre in particular being especially deadly.
Ground-types: It is unfortunate that poor Carbink is weak to the dictator of Ubers Primal Groudon, as it means it will face few occasions where it can enter safely. Even worse, the rebels opposing him (Arceus-Ground, Zygarde-C, etc.) still hit Carbink Super-effectively, and I’m sure they don’t mind collateral damage if it means Groudon dies.
Grass-types: Thankfully rarer than the rest, Grass-types can be a nuisance. Pokemon that are part Grass-type include Shaymin-Sky, Ferrothorn, Tropius, Simisage, Cherrim (both formes) and Gogoat.
To add after playtesting
Solid Steel-type counters like Groudon-Primal, Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C make for great teammates as they get rid of irksome Steel-types like Necrozma-DM. Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C in particular are good as they also check Groudon-Primal, a Pokemon that can make life’s difficult for Carbink. Speaking of Groudon, a Pokemon that can handle Water, Grass and Ground-types in general are handy. Although no Pokemon can handle all of these types at once, you can use multiple Pokemon for them, like Emolga for Water-types, Ninjask for Grass-types and Kyogre-Primal for Ground-types.
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Pokémon: Emolga
Typing: Electric-Flying
Abilities: Delta Tunnel, Static, Motor Drive
Custom Ability Description (if applicable): Delta Tunnel: Delta Stream effect, opponents cannot use Defog.
Stats: 95 / 75 / 85 / 125 / 95 / 125 (BST 600)
New Moves: Moonblast, Static Signal, Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor
Z Move Information (if applicable): Electrocharged Dragons: 260 BP, Special. Base move: Draco Meteor. Requires Emolgium Z
Z Move Description (what effects it has): Takes Electric-type when determining type effectiveness.
Custom item: Dragon Suit
Item effect: Dragon-type moves are given STAB. Only available to Pikachu and it’s clones (Pichu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, Dedenne, Togedmaru)
Competitive (niche in Ubers): Designed to be the end of all Defoggers, this Pokemon hits them all (with the exception of Castform) Super-effectively (which include Wailord by the way). Electric-type attacks kill them pretty easily, and Dragon and/or Fairy attacks dispose of the other one, Salamence, and proceed to set Static Signal in their faces. It also has decent Special Offense and a brilliant Speed that allows it to outspeed the crowded 99 Speed tier and etc. Setting-up is an option, but it is rather squishy (pun meant XD)
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so setting-up would be rather difficult.
Support
Emolga @ Leftovers
Ability: Delta Tunnel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Static Signal
- Toxic
- Thunderbolt / Dragon Pulse / Moonblast / Air Slash
Mega Ampharos lead (aka don’t use unless you want to get 100 loses in a row)
Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Diamond Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Recover
- Heal Bell / Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Carbon Storm
WIP
To add after playtesting
WIP
Give me a while I still need to complete it.
Are you serious about almost word for word?
I agree it with alephgalactus that it is just too much. Basically Alakazam-Mega on the physical side, but it can hold an item...
Pokemon: Parasect
Typing: Bug/Ghost
Abilities: Effect Spore / Dry Skin | HA: Triage
Stats: 95/130/105/85/105/50 (BST:570)
New Attacks: Soul Eater, Horn Leech, Drain Punch, Draining Kiss, Strength Sap, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak
Soul Eater: The user drains the life force of the opponent, healing themselves
Ghost, Physical, 80BP, 100ACC, 10PP (16 Max), User recovers 50% of the damage dealt
I've left Effect Spore and Dry Skin mainly for flavour purposes. Triage, on the other hand, is my idea of breaking the game. Being infected by a parasitic fungus, Parasect is more dead than alive anyway, hence the Ghost type. Additionally, due to the parasitic nature of the fungus, Parasect would be equipped to siphon the life of other living things.
Competitive Niche: Parasect functions as a revenge killer for offensive threats, like E-killer Arceus and Marshadow, or annoy things with Spore and Strength Sap. Triage helps to compensate for its mediocre speed, allowing it to out prioritize most of the metagame. Its bulk helps it to tank hits from uninvested bulky walls, giving it opportunities to set up and wreck, becoming a late game threat. However, as high as 130 Attack is, even with a Life Orb, it still falls short on knocking out several metagame threats at +2, like bulky Geomancy Xerneas and Primal Groudon. Ghost/Bug is also a poor defensive typing, and Bug isn't even a good offensive type. Despite the flaws, with a new ability and moves to abuse it with, this bug hopefully gets a new lease of life in the Ubers tier.
Parasect @ Life Orb
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Soul Eater
- Drain Punch / Leech Life
- Drain Punch / Leech Life / Spore / Aromatherapy
Spore neutralizes would-be check and grant an opportunity for set-up, Aromatherapy is really just there in case of Toxic.
Parasect @ Assault Vest
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Soul Eater
- Leech Life
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
Eat Moonblasts for breakfast.
Parasect @ Leftovers
Ability: Triage
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spore
- Strength Sap
- Soul Eater
- Drain Punch / Swords Dance
A bulky set-up sweeping set is viable, especially with Spore and Strength Sap forcing switches.
Pokemon: Fearow
Typing: Normal/Flying
Abilities: Keen Eye / Sniper | HA: Reckless
Stats: 69/175/69/61/69/127 (BST: 570)
New Moves: Brave Bird, Double Edge, Superpower, Taunt
Why think so much when you can just click buttons? From the Ultra Sun Pokedex entry: "Carrying food through Fearow's territory is dangerous. It will snatch the food away from you in a flash!" That speaks Reckless to me, and so here we are. The main thought process behind this is "hee hoo bird beat ubers". Taunt is there for when your food gets taken away.
Competitive Niche: It's a physical breaker. What more can be said? You could always meme with Focus Energy Scope Lens sets and break through defensive mons. The rare speed tier of base 127 allows it to outpace most +1 Quiver Dancers available.
Fearow @ Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- Superpower
- U-turn
Hit hard die fast.
Fearow @ Scope Lens
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Focus Energy
- Brave Bird
- Drill Run / Superpower
- Frustration / Taunt / Agility / Roost
Crits ignore the attack drops from Superpower, while Drill Run does hit Primal Groudon and Dusk Mane harder. Taunt for stuff that try to set-up/status/recover, Agility to clean up late game and Roost for slight longevity.
I kind of agree with alephgalactus on adding Falling Earth. Maybe just add it since you haven’t used up it’s Custom Move (same slate as Torterra so it’s not a free winning move like it would be if Falling Earth was created and won last slate).
To be honest, that was the whole idea lol. And apparently it does not get Double Edge according to both Serebii and Bulbapedia. On further research, Double Edge is like a Gen 1/3 thing (TM from Red/Blue, Move Tutor in FRLG).
All cool, I see the problem. Tbh Fearow's goal was to be a brain dead attacker, but yeah we already have those. I'll edit this post later with the changes so that it's easier to see.
Tbh I think Shell Smash on Turt is fine. Even at +2, 100 SpAtk isn't anything spectacular, especially in Ubers. And +2 base 40 Speed is still really slow, and anything with a scarf can still outspees it. Then it wants to decide whether to run Modest or Timid. Modest gives you more breaking power but you're susceptible to being revenge killed more easily, while Timid means you're less likely revenge killed but hit much weaker.
... I need to hear OM's opinion on such before I actually do remove shell smash, as that thing is bulky as hell as well as that special attack going to skyhigh levels if it was to be boosted like that... I remember what happened last time I put shell smash on a bulky as all hell and great special attacking prowess onto it, I had gotten a lot of complaints and I ultimately had to either nerf the stats or remove shell smash. And because of it's point being a shell smash sweeper, I had nerfed the stats. I want OM's opinion before I ultimately decide if I want it to be on it or not though because I don't want to repeat the same thing.
I was literally about to type “I’m rooting for you Jerry!” Before I saw this comment, replying to Fragmented
You know... I'll take it. I mean with intimidate and Will-O-Wisp, even with that defense going a lot lower, can still keep it's role of a hard physical wall while still doing great damage. If I had nerfed the bulk down to those levels, maybe then shell smash on this won't be too scary, all the while still posing a challenge... But if I had nerfed evaporation flame down to 90 BP, freaking FLAMETHROWER would outclass it... So I'll nerf it down to 100 BP instead of 90, so it still can outclass the likes of flamethrower and fire blast, but not by so much it becomes near unstoppable. And maybe it could use 55 speed, as then it'd out speed lots of things after a shell smash boost, but still keep the theme of being slow while that shell is still there. Suppose I'll do some editing as well as shell smash now on this will make a large difference. Thanks for ultimately deciding how it'd be finished off though, but I knew you'd have issues with that bulk along with something like shell smash.
