I'll be more than happy to see any videos being uploaded considering that some of us expressed their doubts already. Just take into account that if you do plan to edit some of the EV spreads and sets, I will be counting it as a different streak. For the record, I don't mind on whether people use other people's teams or not (FYI I added Maizup's streak using one of my teams as a formal streak in here since I only presented it as a concept originally). Also, if you're playing on Open Level, was Tyranitar taken into account? I would definitely add that Pokemon as a mayor threat. Open Level also opens up more legendary sets (Legendaries set 6-8 and so on...)Hi! First of all my apologies if I implied that this team was an original concept or thought up by me in it's basic form in any sense. This was seen and inspired by other teams and users I saw on this forum.
When it comes to Latios being modest over Timid - my thinking around the team was really rooted in the idea that Latios does as much damage or mementos everything it can, with the other two being strictly for finishing off the others. This is through things like selfdestruct and like you said having curse on Lax to capitalize on fast special attackers. Reading through your post I'm looking at calcs for the faster PKMN than Latios - I'm not going to act like I have a deep knowledge of every set and there are alot of things here that I didn't even consider, just threats that had team behind them that could beat the other tow that I hadn't run into. Espeon is something that I hadn't really thought about in the lead slot, same as Aerodactyl(2) no doubt would be annoying if the other two beat Lax. Things like Gengar, Starmie, Manectric, Sceptile, and Aerodactyl I never really found to be threats, Latios is a glass cannon on this team and as long as it can take out them out first, HP doesn't matter. Every Gengar is OHKOd, and Gengar(1) is annoying but I never actually lost to one. Every starmie that is bothersome is OHKOd by Tbolt, Manectric is 2HKOd, and Sceptile(4) is OHKOd. I actually didn't even consider making Latios faster as most of the heavy lifting on the team is done by Snorlax. Obviously all of this is to be taken with a grain of salt with the consideration that crits will just take out Latios outright, which happened infrequently and even less on lead.
Same deal with the SpD on Latios, in playing Latios really only died to special attackers, so it just made more sense to me to put SpD, I hadn't done those specific calcs like you presented - and really just played the stats by ear while playing with the team.
I actually had no idea there was defensive benchmarks for Snorlax to survive certain moves. Is it just Magmar and Electabuzz?
I only meant to say that Latias is the weakest member of the team, the other two being so dominant. I'm glad that all of these calcs are being shown to me because the Latias being a member that I constantly was changing around the stats are far from perfect. Latias was always able to OHKO Scizor apart from 4, I never actually got countered by Scizor(1). Same deal with Heracross(2) Latias just never came out against a full health Heracross(2) I guess, don't really have an excuse here understand why it looks bad lol.
Also Latias at lvl 100 30 IV and 180 EV hits 300, I played at open lvl. Sorry if I didn't make that clear - first post.
-The threatlist is just things that were the reasons for losses, and things that can cause similar trouble. Pinsir(2) was something that I lost to in lead or 2nd slot by trying to beat it with Latios instead of hitting Memento.
-Jynx(1) and (4) are very threatening through and through it's just a threat to this team everytime it comes out. Jynx(2) always loses judging and allows Latios to get a hit or a Memento off on whatever comes out next. Jynx(3) also loses to judging after Latios gets the first neutral hit with Tbolt. Jynx is just a threat that sucks to face in Arena with Latis and a slow mon.
-CB user crits happen. I've lost streaks to them I don't really know how to respond to this because yeah CB Ursaring will tear Snorlax up.
-Metagross should have been on the list I agree. Every Metagross is killed by two Tbolts into EQ. That's really all that happened with Metagross in my experience. Alot of these threats that have been outlined are things that take down the team after a crucial crit or similar. I understand and have experienced that crits are going to happen and I have and will continue to lose streaks to poorly timed crits. The same goes for QC and OHKO move users in general. I didn't think to include them in the Threatlist as the just seemed like factors out of my control. I don't know what to do when something gets hit with an OHKO move in general, same goes for Steelix and Aggron. It's frustrating but unavoidable, especially when they carry explosion for Lax. I generally memento on things that kill Latios before it can kill them, to give Lax the best chance possible. This was the emphasis I placed on avoiding bringing out Latias if possible. I do understand that long streaks are prone to bad luck and that's why you mentioned these, though. Again I want to mention that the Latias spread is imperfect and that I can't wait to make adjustments based on all of this information to get more streaks.
As for Submenceisop's reply, I didn't know that Modest wouldn't be optimal as I said above, beating out the 100 speed tier had been working for me. And I don't mean to downplay any of the bulky normal types that you can face. I never lost a streak to blissey, Latios only ever lost to 3/4 both of which Snorlax beats. I also literally never had any issues against opposing Snorlax. Not once. Snorlax with counter always spam that up against your lax allowing you blow up or curse up, and ones with curse always use that 3 times allowing you to do it twice and hitting them to win judging. Please give me your Snorlax spread because I'd love to apply it and try the calcs for myself.
I'm sorry to see that there are lots of doubts about the streak. I am appreciative of all the replies, Kommo-0, Submenceisop, and wtset. I'm going to take all of the feedback and do streaks in an emulator to create some video of high streaks as proof. I'd love some more advice on better spreads because I completely understand the doubt and would love to get more high streaks. I have no issues with not wanting to make official this streak and I want to continue the conversation and hopefully others will try the team too.
I don't want to jump into conclusions at least until I see what you have. Feel free to tag me when it's done and thanks for keeping this civilized. We do appreciate that you didn't took any of this in bad blood and there's no intention from us to cause harm either. As mentioned before, I'll be more than happy to include this team assuming there's real evidence that it can reach more than +100 wins.