120 Attack, 120 Special Attack?
His Special move pool is pretty decent, IMO. I don't see him being too predictable. Time will tell I guess, but I really don't think he'll be OU.
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120 Attack, 120 Special Attack?
His Special move pool is pretty decent, IMO. I don't see him being too predictable. Time will tell I guess, but I really don't think he'll be OU.
MixSect
Genosekuto @ Aqua Cartridge
Ability: Download
Nature: Timid/Jolly [Depending on what set you wish to do]
Moveset:
1. TechnoBuster [Water]
2. Nitro Charge [Fire] / Flamethrower [Fire]
3. Ice Beam [Ice]
4. X-Scissor [Bug] / Bug Buzz [Bug]
Reason behind Movepool:
1. If Technobuster isn't Water, Ho-oh and Groudon w/ FireBlast are going to have a heyday with Genosekuto.
2a. Nitro Charge allows it to kill other Genosekuto and Bug/Steels that try to enter Ubers. Note also the Speed boost from Nitro Charge.
2b. Flamethrower for the same reasons as Nitro Charge, trading Speed boost for raw power.
3. Ice Beam, because there are plenty of Dragons in Ubers for it to be useful.
4a. X-Scissor for STAB. You can get a few extra crits, too.
4b. Bug Buzz also for STAB, and slightly more powerful than X-Scissor. Instead of bonus crits, the chance to confuse is present. Confusion is very fun to watch happen to opponents in Ubers.
Genosekuto @ Aqua Cartridge
Ability: Download
Nature: Timid/Jolly [Depending on what set you wish to do]
Moveset:
1. TechnoBuster [Water]
2. Nitro Charge [Fire] / Flamethrower [Fire]
3. Ice Beam [Ice]
4. X-Scissor [Bug] / Bug Buzz [Bug]
Reason behind Movepool:
1. If Technobuster isn't Water, Ho-oh and Groudon w/ FireBlast are going to have a heyday with Genosekuto.
2a. Nitro Charge allows it to kill other Genosekuto and Bug/Steels that try to enter Ubers. Note also the Speed boost from Nitro Charge.
2b. Flamethrower for the same reasons as Nitro Charge, trading Speed boost for raw power.
3. Ice Beam, because there are plenty of Dragons in Ubers for it to be useful.
4a. X-Scissor for STAB. You can get a few extra crits, too.
4b. Bug Buzz also for STAB, and slightly more powerful than X-Scissor. Instead of bonus crits, the chance to confuse is present. Confusion is very fun to watch happen to opponents in Ubers.
God. This thing looks like the pokemon-equivalent of predator.
99 base speed and baren physical movepool sucks. Download and great typing make up for that at least. However, I think it's going to be OU at best.
99 base speed and baren physical movepool sucks. Download and great typing make up for that at least. However, I think it's going to be OU at best.
I just ensured the Physical movepool not being barren.
1. Nitro Charge [Fire] - Not only is this a physical move, but it raises Speed. Being Fire, it can kill Skarmory, Forretress, Scizor, and a lot of other Steel-types. It can learn this by leveling up, too.
2. Magnet Bomb [Steel] - This = the Steel-equivalent of Faint Attack, but with STAB on this guy.
3. X-Scissor [Bug] - Ok...
4. Frustration/Return - Eh, depends on your treatment of Genosekuto... still, though.
5. Aerial Ace [Flying] - It says hi, too, but not with the STAB that Magnet Bomb has.
6. Explosion/Selfdestruct - Maybe not... I mean, Genosekuto is not supposed to be a suicide lead.
7. Shadow Claw [Ghost] - Why hello there. It may not be Dragon Claw, but it's still pretty cool.
8. U-turn [Bug] - "If I see that Ho-oh one more time..."
9. Fly [Flying] - Pseudo-protect.
These all would like to have a word with you.
Nitro Charge isn't killing Skarmory any time soon, don't kid yourself.
When I mean "barren movepool", I'm saying it does not have a lot of non-gimmicky options.
IMO a decent Sazando check, resisting both STAB moves and hitting SE with STAB Bug Buzz / X-Scissor. (Also can flourish on rain teams, removing its 4x weak to Fire and able to effectively remove Politoed / Tyranitar)
Mixekuto
Genosekuto @ Life Orb
Hasty / Naive
---Atk / --- SpA / 252 Spe
Download
X-Scissor
Nitro Charge
Hidden Power [Ground] / Energy Ball
Thunderbolt / Flamethrower
Interesting options with a scarf. You could run a mixed-scarf set, allowing for a Download boost to either of your attacking stats on the switch. If you don't like the stat it boosted, U-turn out. Unfortunately, the barren physical movepool makes it a less likely option than a straight specially based scarf set. (Can still slash U-turn in here, at the risk of losing coverage)
Mixekuto
Genosekuto @ Life Orb
Hasty / Naive
---Atk / --- SpA / 252 Spe
Download
X-Scissor
Nitro Charge
Hidden Power [Ground] / Energy Ball
Thunderbolt / Flamethrower
X-scissor is obligatory STAB, and Geno's best weapon against Blissey. Also importantly covers Sazando, who Geno makes a decent counter to, resisting both it's STABs and outspeeding. Nitro Charge is the crux of the set. Given its (lol) 'unique' base speed stat, this gives Geno the opportunity to outspeed a number of common threats, of which it can account for with its above average type coverage.
Third slot is a toss up. Energy Ball means bulky ground types such as Swampert and (to a lesser extent) Hippowdon don't wall you. HP Ground ensures you aren't completely stonewalled by Heatran, Shanderra (Shadow Tag), Magnezone (Magnet Pull) and... fire types in general.
The last moveslot depends on the third. Thunderbolt for bulky waters + Skarm, Flamethrower for steels. (such as Magnezone and Skarm)
Max speed to outspeed +252 Sazando by a point before Nitro Charge, after Nitro Charge Genosekuto hits 489 speed, outspeeding anything bar Deoxys-S, and +1 Base <98s. (Most notably; +1 (+Speed) Gyara, Scarf Sazando / Heatran, +2 (+Speed) Tyrantar)
-> Not sure on the attacking EV's. I don't have the time atm to run damage calcs.
The problem with this set, is there's always going to be SOMETHING that can resist it. (due to Nitro Charge) The problem is, Geno's underwhelming speed stat means a majority of OU threats can outspeed it. Rock Polish is of course an option however.
Third slot is a toss up. Energy Ball means bulky ground types such as Swampert and (to a lesser extent) Hippowdon don't wall you. HP Ground ensures you aren't completely stonewalled by Heatran, Shanderra (Shadow Tag), Magnezone (Magnet Pull) and... fire types in general.
The last moveslot depends on the third. Thunderbolt for bulky waters + Skarm, Flamethrower for steels. (such as Magnezone and Skarm)
Max speed to outspeed +252 Sazando by a point before Nitro Charge, after Nitro Charge Genosekuto hits 489 speed, outspeeding anything bar Deoxys-S, and +1 Base <98s. (Most notably; +1 (+Speed) Gyara, Scarf Sazando / Heatran, +2 (+Speed) Tyrantar)
-> Not sure on the attacking EV's. I don't have the time atm to run damage calcs.
The problem with this set, is there's always going to be SOMETHING that can resist it. (due to Nitro Charge) The problem is, Geno's underwhelming speed stat means a majority of OU threats can outspeed it. Rock Polish is of course an option however.
Interesting options with a scarf. You could run a mixed-scarf set, allowing for a Download boost to either of your attacking stats on the switch. If you don't like the stat it boosted, U-turn out. Unfortunately, the barren physical movepool makes it a less likely option than a straight specially based scarf set. (Can still slash U-turn in here, at the risk of losing coverage)
download + 120/120 attacks will give it some versatility and unpredictability at least. Bug/ Steel is pretty awesome typing. Reshiram is going to walk all over it, but overall fire is a pretty uncommon attacking type. Bug grants neutrality to ground, and it will be neutral to rock. 71/95/95 defences are pretty solid too. This might just be the prefect hit and run pokemon/ revenger with choice scarf. It will certainly find a niche in whatever tier it finds itself.
It's a real shame explosion was nerfed though -.-
It's a real shame explosion was nerfed though -.-
this guy would have real problems in Ubers especially since download will be boosting its atk in 90% of the times, since the uber pokes generally have a superior SpD.
99 Spe isnt bad in ubers where things arent that fast and his special move pool is great not to mention that bug/steel is an awsome defensive typing, but explosion(wich would be one of his biggest selling points in gen4) just got its damage halved and mixed attacking just isnt that viabled with a lackluster physical move pool where U-Turn and X-Scissor are his best options(though X-scissor could be great since many of the ubers are psychic typed).
I see a scarfed set with U-turn, flame thrower,T-Bolt and Ice Beam to revenge and scout just like a Special Scizor but as Special Sweeper he is just outclassed by other stuff.
he could end up as an ubers electrivire having a great move pool,stats and ability but just dont get the power to ko the things he hits for SE damage.
99 Spe isnt bad in ubers where things arent that fast and his special move pool is great not to mention that bug/steel is an awsome defensive typing, but explosion(wich would be one of his biggest selling points in gen4) just got its damage halved and mixed attacking just isnt that viabled with a lackluster physical move pool where U-Turn and X-Scissor are his best options(though X-scissor could be great since many of the ubers are psychic typed).
I see a scarfed set with U-turn, flame thrower,T-Bolt and Ice Beam to revenge and scout just like a Special Scizor but as Special Sweeper he is just outclassed by other stuff.
he could end up as an ubers electrivire having a great move pool,stats and ability but just dont get the power to ko the things he hits for SE damage.
Low speed for Ubers, and looks too predictable. but it has good stats so i would say OU. it looks pretty good, scizor might have some competition
Insekuta@ Choice Specs
4 HP /252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Timid
Download
-Bug Buzz
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower/something
Insekuta is the best pokemon. He
has great typing,power and has a good enough movepool. Bug buzz is his primary stab. Boltbeam backs this up giving solid coverage. The last slot is filler. I use flamethrower because it beats anything that resists his other attacks and is my sheddy counter but *you could use something else. With one download he can 2hko cleric*blissey with bug buzz.
Bug Buzz
Cleric blissey 43.5% - 51.3% 2hko with sr
Wish Latias. 149,5% - 175.7% 1hko
Scarfrachi.133.7% - 157.8% 1hko
Thunderbolt*
Lugia106.7% - 126% 1hko
Ice beam
Giritina o127.3% - 149.8% ohko
Dialga71.3% - 83.7% ohko with spikes and sr
Flamethrower in rain
Scizor197.7% - 232.6% ohko
Shedinja78600% - 92600% ouch
Huge movepool, nice typing and trait (Download is perfect to boost its monstrous offensive power), stats semi-uber, STAB U-turn. Reading these parameters you would say UBER easy. But this pokemon deserves a period of test in ou imho. Probably this thing will have a role similar to scizor but with the exception of scizor it has much more set from being able to use. However Scizor is bulkier, but its best advantage over genosekuto is BP imho….infact genosekuto lacks a decent priority and this is not a good thing for it.
Therefore if scizor is OU I do not see because it cannot be genosekuto.
Therefore if scizor is OU I do not see because it cannot be genosekuto.
How does it have low speed for ubers? It outspeeds 7 of them (not including Wobbeffett, Wynaut, and Deoxys-D). All of which are very popular and it also outspeeds Reshiram and Zekrom who are guaranteed to be uber because of their stats. That's almost 1/3 of the tier. It's got decent speed for ubers.
I really like this thing. :)
Err I think you mean Download, xD.
Sorry man...I was thinking Porygon-z xD
Not if you knew the slightest bit about Gen V you wouldn't.
I'm really hoping that this thing's base 99 speed will keep him from being too overpowered because he is hella cool. Download is a great ability that hasn't been available to explore to its full potential, but with it, this guy has access to attacking stats of 558 on both sides of the spectrum -- straight off the bat.
The comparison to Scizor is fairly relevant; to Forretress, not so much... their only similarity is in typing. However, Scizor owes its effectiveness in OU partly due to its powerful U-turn; Genosukotu has the same weapon. In DPPt the most common responses to absorb a U-turn were Skarmory, Gyarados, Salamence, Heatran and Gliscor (among others). All of these pokemon have at least a 2x weakness to the special moves in Genosukotu's movepool; namely Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and [his signature move with a water cassette]. You can immediately see how Genosukotu can use this to his advantage. Of course, the new generation will doubtless bring counters of its own, but the ability to hit [most] Flying and Steel types with Super-Effective Special moves is a clear asset.
There's also the matter of his Speed. At base 99, he outspeeds a lot but misses that crucial 100 milestone by a single point. Fortunately his attacking stats are more than high enough to make a fine Choice Scarf revenge killer. U-turn is indefinitely useful to a Scarfer, as Flygon has shown, and his elemental tools are better than Jirachi's, with Flamethrower and Ice Beam over the punches and a superior 120 base SpA. Again, it's a shame about the Speed, but base 100 would only guarantee a speed tie anyway.
It can also resolve its speed issues by Rock Polish. This hasn't proven to be an entirely successful move in most cases; Metagross is the only pokemon that has shown itself to have the ability to tear teams apart after a Rock Polish, due to its excellent typing, attack, and coverage. I can't honestly see this being any better than Agility Scizor, and it suffers from the same flaw: it could be doing more useful things.
I would be interested to see some damage calcs with download boosts and a Life Orb but unfortunately I cannot be bothered to do them..
The comparison to Scizor is fairly relevant; to Forretress, not so much... their only similarity is in typing. However, Scizor owes its effectiveness in OU partly due to its powerful U-turn; Genosukotu has the same weapon. In DPPt the most common responses to absorb a U-turn were Skarmory, Gyarados, Salamence, Heatran and Gliscor (among others). All of these pokemon have at least a 2x weakness to the special moves in Genosukotu's movepool; namely Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and [his signature move with a water cassette]. You can immediately see how Genosukotu can use this to his advantage. Of course, the new generation will doubtless bring counters of its own, but the ability to hit [most] Flying and Steel types with Super-Effective Special moves is a clear asset.
There's also the matter of his Speed. At base 99, he outspeeds a lot but misses that crucial 100 milestone by a single point. Fortunately his attacking stats are more than high enough to make a fine Choice Scarf revenge killer. U-turn is indefinitely useful to a Scarfer, as Flygon has shown, and his elemental tools are better than Jirachi's, with Flamethrower and Ice Beam over the punches and a superior 120 base SpA. Again, it's a shame about the Speed, but base 100 would only guarantee a speed tie anyway.
It can also resolve its speed issues by Rock Polish. This hasn't proven to be an entirely successful move in most cases; Metagross is the only pokemon that has shown itself to have the ability to tear teams apart after a Rock Polish, due to its excellent typing, attack, and coverage. I can't honestly see this being any better than Agility Scizor, and it suffers from the same flaw: it could be doing more useful things.
I would be interested to see some damage calcs with download boosts and a Life Orb but unfortunately I cannot be bothered to do them..
Ubers is yet to be seen for this pokemon.
Without anyway to boost stats, manageable speed, less than unbelievable attacking stats, no physical move pool, and a 4x weakness I think OU is best suited for it.
Blissey comes to mind when countering it if, meaning it will always carry explosion, limiting its coverage moves.. Heatran takes it on quite nicely, blaziken outspeeds after a speed boost and doesnt take any super effect damage. Also a scarfed version checks itself, flamethrower is an easy 1 hit. Swampert also checks it nicely (energy ball will be uncommon at best, methinks).
Also, explosion was nerfed.
Download seems good, but it wont always raise the attacking stat you want, unless it was changed this gen, which some one should inform me on :P
Without anyway to boost stats, manageable speed, less than unbelievable attacking stats, no physical move pool, and a 4x weakness I think OU is best suited for it.
Blissey comes to mind when countering it if, meaning it will always carry explosion, limiting its coverage moves.. Heatran takes it on quite nicely, blaziken outspeeds after a speed boost and doesnt take any super effect damage. Also a scarfed version checks itself, flamethrower is an easy 1 hit. Swampert also checks it nicely (energy ball will be uncommon at best, methinks).
Also, explosion was nerfed.
Download seems good, but it wont always raise the attacking stat you want, unless it was changed this gen, which some one should inform me on :P
Insekuta@ Choice Specs
4 HP /252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Timid
Download
-Bug Buzz
-Hidden Power Ground
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower/something
Ice Beam is a waste. It's too slow to hit the 4x weak dragons, and Bug Buzz hits harder on Sazando (And Grass types). HP Ground means you can come in on non-scarf Heatran and actually DO something. (This includes Fire types in general)
As I first seen this Moe pool, i exspect, this guy would be waeker than al Pseudo-Legends and other High-Ous, but after i saw Rock Polish ,and his nearly perfekt special Typ-Couverage, this guy will may own Ou
Of course a Scarf- or Lo-Set is an Option, but with Rock Polish this guy has much better options, f. ex:
Insekuta@ Expert Belt/ LO
196HP/ 60 Spe/ 252 Sp.Atk/
Modest
Download
- Rock Polish
- Ice Beam / Bug Buzz /
- Thunderbolt / Flame Thrower
-Hp Water / Hp Rock
Speed: WIth this Set youve got 500 Speed after one Rock Polish, one Point Faster than Scarf-Chomp and all 100-Base Scarfer, but itsa just an Example.
Defense: with the Hp-Investment+ this good defenses and well Typ it nearly every time take a hit.
SP. Atk: With Modest+Max Sp.Atk ouve got 371 Sp.Atk, and with an Download boost youve got more than 560 SP. Atk. Plus LO/ Expertb. youve got nearly or got better Atk than Mence.
Moves: The Glance of this Guy. Without a really good STAB-Move, but nearly perfect coverage. With BoltBeam+HP Water, you kill Tran, Candle, the Firebug, Water Tanks (Thunderbolt hit as hard as a Outrage, but without locking), and at beste all Dragons. With his Steel Typ, Rock Polish and Beam youve maybe the best Poke again DD or even Sd-Outrage, just switch inn after it has killed something, ROck Polish and survive the Outrage and kill with Beam
I think this guy is really strong as a Finisher, with the right move you can kill every Poke while the Rest of your Team kill pokes youre weak to, youve got one of the best if not the best Outrage-Counter (Steeltype, Ice Beam) and you can boost on many Pokes thanks to his excellent Typ.
I hope you see the point of this Pokemon and i forgot nothing and sorry about my english, this is my first lon Post in English^^
Of course a Scarf- or Lo-Set is an Option, but with Rock Polish this guy has much better options, f. ex:
Insekuta@ Expert Belt/ LO
196HP/ 60 Spe/ 252 Sp.Atk/
Modest
Download
- Rock Polish
- Ice Beam / Bug Buzz /
- Thunderbolt / Flame Thrower
-Hp Water / Hp Rock
Speed: WIth this Set youve got 500 Speed after one Rock Polish, one Point Faster than Scarf-Chomp and all 100-Base Scarfer, but itsa just an Example.
Defense: with the Hp-Investment+ this good defenses and well Typ it nearly every time take a hit.
SP. Atk: With Modest+Max Sp.Atk ouve got 371 Sp.Atk, and with an Download boost youve got more than 560 SP. Atk. Plus LO/ Expertb. youve got nearly or got better Atk than Mence.
Moves: The Glance of this Guy. Without a really good STAB-Move, but nearly perfect coverage. With BoltBeam+HP Water, you kill Tran, Candle, the Firebug, Water Tanks (Thunderbolt hit as hard as a Outrage, but without locking), and at beste all Dragons. With his Steel Typ, Rock Polish and Beam youve maybe the best Poke again DD or even Sd-Outrage, just switch inn after it has killed something, ROck Polish and survive the Outrage and kill with Beam
I think this guy is really strong as a Finisher, with the right move you can kill every Poke while the Rest of your Team kill pokes youre weak to, youve got one of the best if not the best Outrage-Counter (Steeltype, Ice Beam) and you can boost on many Pokes thanks to his excellent Typ.
I hope you see the point of this Pokemon and i forgot nothing and sorry about my english, this is my first lon Post in English^^
I fear Genosect might become too centralising. Even though the 99 speed holds him back, he's got perfect coverage against everything with his huge special movepool, the Rock Polish set give him ridiculous speed, and in every battle I've experienced it's completely dominated. It will wreck any team that doesn't pack something with 100 base speed or a scarf with a decent fire move, since it can hit literally every pokemon in the game at least neutrally and has 120 base special attack which can be boosted by download.
If this guy stays where he is and doesn't become victim to Arceus syndrome (that is, being banned from ladders simply because he's unobtainable) then I can see Genosect being a consistent top 5 contender, for the reasons detailed above and the fantastic Bug/Steel typing that made Scizor so deadly in 4th gen.
If this guy stays where he is and doesn't become victim to Arceus syndrome (that is, being banned from ladders simply because he's unobtainable) then I can see Genosect being a consistent top 5 contender, for the reasons detailed above and the fantastic Bug/Steel typing that made Scizor so deadly in 4th gen.