O.k, as a moderator, I have had to delete a little too many posts, many of which are done by the anti ban side of things. So, im going to link this post in the OP of the thread, and try and bookmark some of the posts that really are outstanding. I ask that if you want to post, you at least read some of those, since they are some of the strongest posts for and against the banning of Mega Gengar, and thus should assist you in crafting your post.
Firstly, if you want to argue against the banning of Mega Gengar (or support it), then promote / develop on
this post. Seriously, its the best anti ban post I have read, and I encourage everyone to read it, its the example that I, and other OU mods, want to see.
If you want to argue against or support the pro ban arguments, then feel free to read posts by reyscarface (
1,
2,
3), gr8astard (
1) , Innocent Criminal (
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2), Fuzznip (
1), Nachos (
1) Colonel M (
1) and Fireburn (
1) (I'm sorry if I missed someone, there are actually a lot of solid posters). Yes, the pro ban side has remarkably better posts, so ideally if you really want to convince the council to keep Gengar in OU or not to quick ban it, id start looking at these gentlemen, how they argue, what they argue about, and apply that to your own posts. You don't have to share their views, but if you want to argue with them I would suggest discussing / debating the points made within these posts.
That said, there are some pretty terrible arguments being repeated over and over again, and im tired of deleting them, so im going to go through the most common ones quickly.
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Mega Gengar is countered by X, Y and Z: T
his is not true, period.
Don't argue this, don't mention it, don't discuss it. I don't want to see this crop up anywhere because its flat out not true. If you want to debate this then do it somewhere else, because by definition of Shadow Tag, you cannot, under any circumstances, counter Mega Gengar, its just not possible since you cannot switch in on it. I don't buy the U-Turn argument either, because Mega Gengar isn't going to switch in on something that can and will U-Turn in on it, its just dumb. Sure, Volt Turn users limit what Gengar can trap, so ill grant you that argument (even tho I think running a whole lot of Volt Turn / Shed Shell users proves a certain point about over centralisation) but they still do NOT counter Mega Gengar, seriously, don't even try to argue this, ill just shut it down.
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Mega Gengar is frail, loses to Priority and Scarfers: Mega Gengar is frail, this is a fact. Sure, its not as frail as people make out, but its still frail. Despite this, "being frail" is still no reason for something to be kept out of Ubers. Nor is being weak to certain forms of priority enough, on its own, to support Gengar staying in OU. The Deoxys-A + N formes are some of the most frailest mons in Ubers, both of them lose to Priority, and, as already stated, both are uber. Being OHKOed by CB Scizor after SR (or whatever the amount of residual damage required is) isn't an end all argument for keeping Mega Gengar OU, so don't treat it as such. I recently read a post claiming that Mega Gengar should stay OU because it lost to Talonflame and CB Azumarill as his main argument, but then went on to cite a Blaziken quickban was ok despite being weak to both those same pokemon. Bottom line, don't use being weak to priority as the basis for your entire argument, it just doesn't fly.
Furthermore, don't claim scarfers are the end all solution to Mega Gengar, because it can and will switch out, I don't care if your last 5 ladder players all kept their Mega Gengar in on your obviously Scarfed Garchomp, a quality opponent will not sacrifice Mega Gengar unless it has outlived its purpose (or if he has nothing better to take a hit / didn't realise your mon was scarfed). That said, there is nothing at all wrong with you citing priority and Scarfers as a means to deal with Gengar, I agree that they are checks upon the power of Mega Gengar. That said, I do not and will never accept posters from JoeBlog69 that argue "I OHKO Mega Gengar with my CB Scizor so I voted no its not broken" (yes, those posts do exist) because these are utterly terrible arguments. Also, as stated above, don't call scarfers or priority counters to Mega Gengar, because they are not, so ffs stop bringing them up.
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Mega X (Kanga being the common one) is stronger than Mega Gengar so I voted to keep it in OU: Not relevant, so don't discuss it. I don't want to see these "can we discuss Kanga yet?" posts because they are not relevant. Don't bring them up, ill just infract you from now on. The council will discuss Kanga when they are ready.
4. Don't discuss how the Council Tiers their shit. Even after Haunter's explicit warning, people are still doing this. Please don't do this, nothing will come from it, and you are derailing the thread from its intended purpose ie discussing Mega Gengar.
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Gengar will always be switching in! I can KO it before it traps me!: I see this argument far too often, and its very frustrating. It suggests, that the Mega Gengar user is so intelligent that he (or she), will switch Gengar INTO an attack that will OHKO it, which doesn't really work out. By all means argue that Gengar has trouble switching in, but I don't want to see posts saying "Gliscor always wins against Gengar, because ill OHKO it with Earthquake when it switches in" because in practise, that won't work. In an actual game, you are forced to spam Earthquake with Gliscor if you are forced in to counter whatever it is your countering, on the off chance that Gengar comes in. You can double switch out of course, after taking the initial hit from the mon your countering, but as Rey points out, you are still stuck trying to counter the mon you need to counter (say, using Gliscor to stop a Dragonite), without being trapped by Mega Gengar. For a better justification as to why this argument needs a bit more discussion, check out reys post on it, quote it, and debate it as well as you can, I won't accept "Gliscor OHKOs with Earthquake" posts tho unless you can back it up with solid justification. Likewise Quickban supporters need to effectively prove Gengar can trap these pokemon as consistently as it needs to under the support uber characteristic in Haunters post.
6. In general, factor Stealth Rock in for both sides. Im seeing people assuming that Stealth Rock will always be on your side of the argument, some people claiming Gengar will get OHKOed after SR by certain priority attacks, and then forgoing SR when posting calculations in arguing against what Gengar can or cannot trap. Likewise please think before posting. I don't really want to see posts claiming that Gengar did a terrible job trapping Skarmory since Thunderbolt only took it down to Sturdy.... we all know a 6% Skarmory is no longer doing a viable job at checking the physical sweeper it needs to check, and that Gengar effectively did its job.
I will quite possibly be adding to this post, turning it into a reference for the good posts on either side of the argument, as well as updating it with stuff that shouldn't be discussed. I shouldn't have to do this, but I hate even more to delete a shitload of posts so hopefully this should serve as a reference point for people that don't want to muddle through 20+ pages. Thats all from me
Carry on.
EDIT
Recent posts have required me to update this with new arguments. Re-read if you missed it.