• Check out the relaunch of our general collection, with classic designs and new ones by our very own Pissog!

League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??

Twitch is 550 range now after his rework. Kog has 500 without W on. Kog doesn't really have a bad laning phase like Vayne does but he has no upfront burst - Graves mashes EQR and he probably took over half of someone's HP if he got up close. Kog is a poker/sustained damage champion - he turns around and kills you once you blow your cooldowns if he didn't die.

If AD carries do get a collective nerf like some have speculated Riot will do after Worlds, I almost expect Kog/Vayne/Trist to become the big 3 after that because they will be the most suited to killing bruisers/tanky champs who I expect will become the next big thing (again) - who has tankier bruisers that do more damage if AD carries are nerfed so lategame isn't about whose farmed better.

The ridiculous increase in gapclosers has led to the extinction of escapeless AD carries in the competitive scene (and even solo queue), or just about extinction. Why would you want to play MF who is strong in lane but will get raped when the enemy Malph+Irelia zerg in on her when you could mash buttons with Graves or Corki and just free blink out of their dives and STILL have flash up.

Even crap like Darius, if he flashes onto an AD and pulls them in, they will have a hard time getting him off them unless they have a blink to get out of range and kite with. Jayce/Darius/Hecarim/Rengar/Kha'Zix/Diana are all recent champions who have some solid diving ability or can get an AD carry displaced. Zyra has a snare which is easier to dodge if you can just ARCANE SHIFT OUT HEP DEP

Honestly I think Arcane Shift is the worst of the free blinks because even if Blitz and Leona hit Ezreal, Arcane Shift negates Leona's E and Blitz's Q rendering Ezreal free even if his positioning is garbage. Leona won't follow Ezreal to his new location after he blinks. Which is total bs.

Delete Valkyrie, Arcane Shift and Quick Draw and you will have a ridiculously more diverse botlane and many more AD carries that are equally as good of picks as the unholy trinity are now. Rocket Jump isn't as functional as those 3 abilities and Cait's net is the most counterintuitive spell in the game that can rarely be used offensively (it is much better at escaping and even then it has problematic casting).

Delete Smokescreen too there is no ability more terrible to encounter as an AD carry who relies on autos more than spells.
 
tumblr_maxpjsaU641qe7fr2o1_500.gif


I cant.
 
Yeti said:
Twitch is 550 range now after his rework. Kog has 500 without W on.
Click to expand...

I actually didn't know either of these things. Twitch still has a really awkward kit for an ad carry - his only "poke" is expunging autoattacks and that barely counts.

Kog's range is effectively whatever his w increases it to, and once he hits lv6 it just becomes absurd.

edit: i kinda had to reach to find a reason why varus was bad - why does nobody play him? is he just arbitrarily unpopular, or is he actually bad?
 
Probably because of his lack of on-demand steroid and escape, and he doesn't appear to have a lot of burst either (or at least, as much as graves corki ez). With gapcloser champions everywhere (hello, Irelia/Malph/even Diana), Varus can find himself struggling to reposition in fights, and unlike Ashe he doesn't have a free slow to help with that (and Ashe herself still has problems with gapclosers).
 
Varus is underrated. He's got almost everything you want from an ADC. Miss Fortune's early DPS, great poke, back-end burst (like Twitch, expunge is the best thing about Twitch so don't knock it), and great CC.

All he's missing is that escape.
 
Thorns said:
did you then decide it's probably time to go out and meet some women
Click to expand...

Haters be hatin'.


Yeti said:
Delete Valkyrie
Click to expand...

HEY NOW. THAT'S RUDE.



As for the AD talk, SD said it earlier in chat and when he did my jaw just kind of dropped and went like "OH FUCK WHY DIDN'T I SEE THAT BEFORE?". Pluff also said a lot of this as well. (CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE).


Graves Corki and Ezreal are popular because they have powerful high damage output from spells, rely less on their auto-attacks (but don't ignore them), and have high mobility. When we've been seeing a very marked increase of support Nunu in botlane, champions that can deal with that E are going to very quickly rise to the cream of the crop, as the rest suffer.

Because of those things they are very strong at early game and being able to push towers and force objectives, and from this follows a meta-game that revolves around barreling down turrets and taking objectives and team-fighting over those objectives. Emergent from the team-fighting we see champs with powerful AoEs and strong team-fighting capability emerge as the premier characters to use (Zyra, Amumu, Maokai, Malphite, Morgana, etc).

Champions that rely on getting to late game are tossed to the wayside because of the fact that the emergent gameplay is now focused on early game aggression and early team-fighting. Vayne, Kog'Maw, and stuff of that ilk are all lost in the tumult of the early fights where they just aren't strong enough, and if you want to run those champs you have to run other champs that are specifically specialized in stalling for late game, and avoiding/controlling team-fights (Anivia).
 
Varus has insane waveclear. Level Q then E and instakill waves then roam/do whatever. There is no laning phase if you just kill it all before they have a chance to harass you. Works best with soraka for infinite mana.
 
I have an idea for a custom game, and I am wondering if any of you guys are interested.

- All random
- Select roles before champ select
- Can't change
- 1 Trade per team

This causes some interesting gameplay. IE: I called solo top, and I got Taric!

Anyone interested?
 
other champs apart from the holy trinity are still really strong though, but you see them more at high levels because people can actually pull them off

CLG.eu vs TPA recently: yellowpete ran kog'maw game 1 and did very well
CLG Prime vs TSM recently: doublelift ran Vayne and carried the team alongside Voyboy against Chaox's Ezreal
 
So I was thinking. With Kha'zix up on the horizon we can revive our Protect the Faith game, only this time starring Kha'zix and Rengar, and with a different lineup for each team (alien, predators). Rules should be just about the same (Crystal scar, first to 5 kills, jungle only, etc). I propose the following lineup

Alien:
Kha'Zix
Cho'Gath
Kog'Maw
Malzahar
Malphite
Nocturne
Fiddlesticks
Jax


Predator:
Rengar
Renekton
Shyvana
Nidalee
Udyr
Warwick
Volibear
Fizz

Debatable:
Cassiopeia (Predator) - She's a half-snake but she doesn't feel like a traditional predator in a sense. She's just there to seduce, not to cause bloodshed.
Ahri (Predator)- She's a half-fox, and a seductress. But she didn't mean to eat away at everyone's life essences.
Sivir (Predator)- "On the Hunt", "The Hunt begins". She's just human, though.
Vayne (Predator)- The Night Hunter prowls in the wake of the silvery moon, yet she still doesn't count as a predatory animal.
Kassadin (Predator) - It would almost be so natural to put the anti-void into the opposing team. But as far as I'm concerned Kassadin only seeks to protect, not exactly to hunt.
Nasus (Predator) - He's a dog and his passive's name is Soul Eater. That said, however, Nasus isn't really a hunter...
Veigar (alien) - Space characteristics.

Banned
Twisted Fate

Some explanations:
The alien team currently shares one characteristic: every character is summoned from a different world to the fields of Justice. The one exception to this is Jax - he's there because nobody knows his true identity. And because we don't have enough aliens.

The predator team takes in predatory animals that aren't in the alien team. They all show some kind of primal ferocity. Fizz is kind of an exception to this but his shark is most definitely a predator.

Additional rules:
Rengar can not use Empowered Battle Roar outside of combat
If "The Hunt is On" can activate on crystal scar, the also game ends when one defeats the other and obtains the buff (Head of Kha'zix and 4 evolution points total for Rengar and Kha'zix, respectively)/

Final words
With the improved mobility of Rengar and Kha'zix in comparison to Leona and Diana, along with their similar characteristics, I hope that this game can become a thrilling hide and seek war and possibly a step above the previous game.
 
I think we should just ban human champs in general, as it's easy to argue for Vayne and Sivir on the predators, but it doesn't really fit the spirit of the game.

Jax is a frog not a human
 
[Jibaku]So I was thinking. With Kha'zix up on the horizon we can revive our Protect the Faith game, only this time starring Kha'zix and Rengar, and with a different lineup for each team (alien, predators). Rules should be just about the same (Crystal scar, first to 5 kills, jungle only, etc). I propose the following lineup

Alien:
Kha'Zix
Cho'Gath
Kog'Maw
Malzahar
Malphite
Nocturne
Fiddlesticks
Jax
Xerath
Ryze (RAWR I'M A MAGIC KLINGON, OBSERVE MY FOREHEAD AND TREMBLE BEFORE IT)
Karthus (enigmatic, unusual appearance)
Nautilus (enigmatic, tanky)
Hecarim (enigmatic AD off-tank, from "another world," don't think horses fall into the hunter category)
Urgot (...techy, alien?)
Shaco (enigmatic origin, summoned from another world?)
Draven (because he's really a rockstar from ancient Mars.)

Predator:
Rengar
Renekton
Shyvana
Nidalee
Udyr
Warwick
Volibear
Fizz
Evelynn
Zyra (mobile predator carnivorous plant)
Varus (long-range DPS counterpart to Kog, ult can be used to "hunt," he's encouraged to kill in order to boost his ultimate, not exactly human anymore.)
Cassiopeia (close enough, team Predator needs more AP and her powers are considerable.)
Skarner (SCORPIONS)
Anivia (AP bird of prey.)
Swain (AP bird of prey.)
Nunu (eats babies)



Debatable:
Cassiopeia (Predator) - She's a half-snake but she doesn't feel like a traditional predator in a sense. She's just there to seduce, not to cause bloodshed.
Ahri (Predator)- She's a half-fox, and a seductress. But she didn't mean to eat away at everyone's life essences.
Sivir (Predator)- "On the Hunt", "The Hunt begins". She's just human, though.
Vayne (Predator)- The Night Hunter prowls in the wake of the silvery moon, yet she still doesn't count as a predatory animal.
Kassadin (Predator) - It would almost be so natural to put the anti-void into the opposing team. But as far as I'm concerned Kassadin only seeks to protect, not exactly to hunt.
Nasus (Predator) - He's a dog and his passive's name is Soul Eater. That said, however, Nasus isn't really a hunter...
Veigar (alien) - Space characteristics.

Banned
Twisted Fate

Some explanations:
The alien team currently shares one characteristic: every character is summoned from a different world to the fields of Justice. Except Malzahar. The one exception to this is Jax - he's there because nobody knows his true identity. And because we don't have enough aliens. Shaco?

The predator team takes in predatory animals that aren't in the alien team. They all show some kind of primal ferocity. Fizz is kind of an exception to this but his shark is most definitely a predator.

Additional rules:
Rengar can not use Empowered Battle Roar outside of combat
If "The Hunt is On" can activate on crystal scar, the also game ends when one defeats the other and obtains the buff (Head of Kha'zix and 4 evolution points total for Rengar and Kha'zix, respectively)/

Final words
With the improved mobility of Rengar and Kha'zix in comparison to Leona and Diana, along with their similar characteristics, I hope that this game can become a thrilling hide and seek war and possibly a step above the previous game.[end]

My suggestions.
 
Bugfix: User Interface - It is now possible to cancel the spending of an ability point via the level-up button after the mouse has been clicked, as long as the mouse cursor is moved off of the level-up button before releasing the click.
Click to expand...

FUCKING FINALLY
 
I doubt that I will play that AvP game but I'd keep the list 'clean-cut'.. don't stretch stories for the sake of variety.

I mean.. KhaZix, KogMaw, ChoGath.. are technically predators but you have to draw a line somewhere...
 
even if u put vayne on a team shes just gonna go afk in a bush with kog'maw after like 4 minutes when they both get bored do u want a 4v4 while u listen to them having sex???????????

i do.
 
Yeti's vayne'maw fetish has officially shot straight past the creepy threshold into the "oh dear god" zone
 
frkin scrub it
s not vayne'maw it's kog'mayne
kog'mayne

that is one of the best portmanteaus i have ever seen for a ship the name alone is cause for fap no homo

i support this alien vs predator hide and seek - since rengar and kha'zaxophone are the same type of champion with similar builds and abilities, to some degree, moreso than diana and leona certainly, i think this should be a lot more even and successful than protect the faith was due to the imbalance in the two chosen ones. there's still the matter of if the teams are even of course, since we had to ban kayle off team solari because of her ult, and j4 made huge dick plays while team lunari had a crapton of melee cc champs plus vayne who ran everyone down when she wasnt too busy CHEATING BECAUSE POOKAR IS A FILTHY RAT AND CHEATS IN FRIENDLY GAMES
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top