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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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Notice how my team won that game xD
cause darius is annoying to facing even if you are shitting on him in lane, only champ in the game i can say that about
nasus more like
u carried p hard xDDDD
just kidding bud - i watched this game live and it was one of the funniest things ive seen in a while
has anyone else been playing shyvana?
i watch oddone a lot because i main jungle and i think he's pretty funny and he's been talking about how op she is
and holy fucking shit i honestly had no idea...
you just run at people because you have 300 farm at 10 minutes and they're like "yea i can take you ur just a jungler" and then they're like "OH SHIT IT'S SHYVANA" but by that time they're dead
i watch oddone a lot because i main jungle and i think he's pretty funny and he's been talking about how op she is
and holy fucking shit i honestly had no idea...
you just run at people because you have 300 farm at 10 minutes and they're like "yea i can take you ur just a jungler" and then they're like "OH SHIT IT'S SHYVANA" but by that time they're dead
She's not the only jungler able to do that. I didnt play her since S2 after the nerf so I'm wondering what does she have over the other "I can't gank ? Whatever I'm farming the jungle as you're farming your lane" like :
- Nasus (and he has that bit of cc, though he probably cleans way less fast, even when spamming e).
- Udyr. This dude can match Shyvana clean time and seems a bit better in everything else ? no ? A bit less mobile in team fights maybe, but the stun and the peel power make up for it imo.
Seriously I have no idea, but I'm also interested.
- Nasus (and he has that bit of cc, though he probably cleans way less fast, even when spamming e).
- Udyr. This dude can match Shyvana clean time and seems a bit better in everything else ? no ? A bit less mobile in team fights maybe, but the stun and the peel power make up for it imo.
Seriously I have no idea, but I'm also interested.
nasus can't clear as fast as shyvana, and wither has short range plus it's not very strong at level 1. nasus also does like no damage until 6. also becomes very blue buff reliant if you're spamming e to clear camps. udyr clears as fast as shyvana once he's maxed his phoenix stance, but until then shyvana clears faster. his lack of mobility in team fights also really hurts. whereas shyvana can just fly over the tanks into the back line and deal massive damage (595 + 140% bonus ad and thats just the duration of your w!!), udyr has to run through the tank line to try to get to the carries, some of which are mobile and can avoid your stun for a lot of the fight. even though shyvana doesnt bring any cc to a teamfight, her backline damage and disruption are worth the loss of cc imo. also her post 6 ganks are really strong.
that's my thoughts on the matter and i play a lot of shyv, nasus, etc. best junglers atm are vi and lee tho, shyv/j4/udyr are like second rate imo
that's my thoughts on the matter and i play a lot of shyv, nasus, etc. best junglers atm are vi and lee tho, shyv/j4/udyr are like second rate imo
I cannot functionally care about any "new" discovery peeps be making since there's about to be massive systemic changes to the game, turning "what's good" on its head v soon.
I'm pretty sure Udyr cleans faster if you get Tiger dance second.
Without it, I checked and there's like less than 3 seconds delay, with the massive difference that Udyr is way healthier during his clean.
Why the heck is Jarvan not in the highest jungle tier possible.
Top should be Jarvan, Lee Sin, Elise, Aatrox, Evelynn, Vi in not particular order.
Out of that Wither's range is not as bad as you try to make it be, it's more than Cait aa range iirc (why would you need more anyway).
Without it, I checked and there's like less than 3 seconds delay, with the massive difference that Udyr is way healthier during his clean.
Why the heck is Jarvan not in the highest jungle tier possible.
Top should be Jarvan, Lee Sin, Elise, Aatrox, Evelynn, Vi in not particular order.
Out of that Wither's range is not as bad as you try to make it be, it's more than Cait aa range iirc (why would you need more anyway).
i think the big thing is shyvana's raw damage output which udyr can't match unless he maxes q but then his clear suffers, and the random bonus mr/armour she gets from her passive. in my opinion shyvana is a lot more useful lategame than udyr as well.
i don't think vi or aatrox are top tier anymore... all the assassin mids got nerfed which was a big part of why vi was so good cus you can stack your ult on top of fizz/zed/kassadin/ahri/orianna's ult and it's a guaranteed kill. aatrox nerfs were pretty huge imo. i think j4 is borderline but i don't think i'd put him on the same level as lee sin tbh :/
i don't think vi or aatrox are top tier anymore... all the assassin mids got nerfed which was a big part of why vi was so good cus you can stack your ult on top of fizz/zed/kassadin/ahri/orianna's ult and it's a guaranteed kill. aatrox nerfs were pretty huge imo. i think j4 is borderline but i don't think i'd put him on the same level as lee sin tbh :/
the new previewed mastery trees look really wierd to me, main thing that stood out was the MS Boost out of combat being at the end of the utlity tree as well as the % pen masteires being removed iirc. I think the 9-21-0 in no particular order mastery pages could quickly become a thing of the past as some of the high end masteries dont look too great on many champs considering how deep you have to go to get them (tenacious at the end of the defense tree is just weird)
The offensive tree looks awfully shitty to me. The support tree has some good features exclusive to supports/junglers.
Defensive tree looks just better overall.
I can imagine a lot of Defensive/Support masteries mix incoming :O
PS : And, yea, basically what I was poorly trying to explain before : http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1q2ywi/in_defense_of_the_league_system/cd8qf2t
Defensive tree looks just better overall.
I can imagine a lot of Defensive/Support masteries mix incoming :O
PS : And, yea, basically what I was poorly trying to explain before : http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1q2ywi/in_defense_of_the_league_system/cd8qf2t
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The lack of any summoner buffing masteries is huge. Without the buffs, you don't get that bonus shield amount from Barrier, the AD/AP bonus from Ignite, AR/MR drops from Exhaust, Decreased Flash C/D. A lot of huge nerfs to summoners and buffs to overall laning.
That 50 HP shield in the defense tree is amazing. Allows you walk into lane with a free harass block. Oppression is amazing on any tank with CC readily available (Shen anyone?). Legendary Guardian buff is huge as it gives free 20 armor and 10 mresist in level 1 teamfights.
Offensive tree has some great masteries as well that only require one point which is huge. Feast and Dangerous Game are huge. Lack of a low-mid tier arpen/mpen mastery is big nerf, but it makes up for it with having flat stat increases as one-pointers.
The Utility tree has a TON of great new masteries that make me salivate as a Support. Scout alone is a huge buff since now it's tier 1 and it allows you to scout bot river bush from purpleside tri without knowing exactly how close you need to get to drop the ward in that bush. Alchemist+Culinary Master is huge as it means relying on fewer pots. Culinary Master probably will be new op mastery because it activates whenever you consume a pot, so if you want to quickly "regenerate" all you have to do is consume all your pots and you get free 100 HP(if you have 5) right from the get go, which is insane. Bandit was nerfed on melee supports, although not too much since it isn't as if melee supports would always have the chance to harass with an auto (so the on champ kill/assist is kinda big since it means there's a bigger reward for melee supports to go all in). Otherwise, some other notable one pointers include Strength of Spirit (Veigar/Grail/Chalice buff anyone?), Scavenger, Conjurer (Annie, Viktor, Malzahar, Teemo buffs).
I like this season's mastery page bar a few oddities which I think can always change or be redone, assuming this isn't the final and official mastery page of Season 4 (it's pbe atm so probs not).
That 50 HP shield in the defense tree is amazing. Allows you walk into lane with a free harass block. Oppression is amazing on any tank with CC readily available (Shen anyone?). Legendary Guardian buff is huge as it gives free 20 armor and 10 mresist in level 1 teamfights.
Offensive tree has some great masteries as well that only require one point which is huge. Feast and Dangerous Game are huge. Lack of a low-mid tier arpen/mpen mastery is big nerf, but it makes up for it with having flat stat increases as one-pointers.
The Utility tree has a TON of great new masteries that make me salivate as a Support. Scout alone is a huge buff since now it's tier 1 and it allows you to scout bot river bush from purpleside tri without knowing exactly how close you need to get to drop the ward in that bush. Alchemist+Culinary Master is huge as it means relying on fewer pots. Culinary Master probably will be new op mastery because it activates whenever you consume a pot, so if you want to quickly "regenerate" all you have to do is consume all your pots and you get free 100 HP(if you have 5) right from the get go, which is insane. Bandit was nerfed on melee supports, although not too much since it isn't as if melee supports would always have the chance to harass with an auto (so the on champ kill/assist is kinda big since it means there's a bigger reward for melee supports to go all in). Otherwise, some other notable one pointers include Strength of Spirit (Veigar/Grail/Chalice buff anyone?), Scavenger, Conjurer (Annie, Viktor, Malzahar, Teemo buffs).
I like this season's mastery page bar a few oddities which I think can always change or be redone, assuming this isn't the final and official mastery page of Season 4 (it's pbe atm so probs not).
as a bronze 3 jarman main i can say his knockup got rly bad now. i cant knok some1 up if i miss by 1 screen anymor. and it was rly ez ganking bronze 4/5 but ppl in division 3+ r smart n pik champs like ahri ez ren vain etc. ne1 who can just walk away from jarman ult
TSM has some really good synergy and look like they're having a great time playing the game for the first time in a long time
bjergsen and regi were both aggressive mid laners but bjergsen is mechanically superior and has a much larger champion pool so TSM is almost certainly going to be top 2 this season (unless neo CLG can actually get their shit together)
in other news, edward is back on gambit
bjergsen and regi were both aggressive mid laners but bjergsen is mechanically superior and has a much larger champion pool so TSM is almost certainly going to be top 2 this season (unless neo CLG can actually get their shit together)
in other news, edward is back on gambit
