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Just tried Trip Wriggles on Trundle and it is the most OP shit I've ever seen. I was 1 v 3ing under a tower and killed 2... and needed 1 more hit on the other. Granted they were already softened.
 
the only problem i can see is that it's not totally worth the gold compared to other items. wriggle's is an amazing item but at 1600 gold it may not be the best to stack like a doran's item.

although the promotion from razors+vamp to wriggles is literally the best purchase of stats you could buy with 150 gold.

regardless, let's take trundle. 9 times out of 10 i'd rather have wriggles, sheen, phage, and 5 wards (roughly matching the gold cost) instead of triple wriggles.

other tanky deeps champions are probably also better off rushing early philo/hog after their first wriggles

still if this becomes the new op soon i will gladly eat my words

do note that the development team has already released info saying that they're planning to nerf wriggles again in the future :/
 
You don't buy triple wriggles on a single champion. Who said anything about stacking them that's just stupid... >_>

You buy one wriggles, across 3 champions. Top / Jungle / AD carry each buying one.
 
don't worry dude chaox ran triple wriggles on cait once

"why don't i get triple wards. what the fuck" - chaox

in all seriousness the free warding is super strong and people have been buying wriggles on lanedyr, lanewick, teemo, lane xin zhao, etc for ages. realizing the power of multiple wriggles in a team was only a matter of time.

i'm not convinced that 3 is better than 2 though since as an ad carry i'd rather rush my first big item

if you're teemo though then have a ball

LOL WAIT IF YOU'RE TEEMO YOUR TEAM DOESN'T NEED TRIPLE WRIGGLES
 
laners who always buy wriggles:

warwick
teemo
xin zhao
udyr
nasus
trundle
gangplank
lee sin
wukong

so this was happening for a while before tsm caught on, but now they've put it in the limelight

and wriggles on carries means your support doesn't have to skill heal which is really good (sona, alistar)
 
I'm probably just missing something, but what exactly is the major benefit of having the ability to kill baron early on. Is it that if you can force the enemy team into a lopsided teamfight early on, you have the option of taking baron instead of just pushing, because otherwise, wouldn't the other team just stop you either way?
 
Being able to early baron is an advantage in the event you pick off an enemy champion. A 15-20 minute Baron can turn teamfights hugely in your favor and really snowball your team to victory.
 
I really like where they are going in the price reduction plan, the three recent champ price reductions (Jax, Teemo and Warwick) really matter since they are all viable champs. Can't wait for cheaper 6300 champs
 
I have been using Wriggle's on Ashe since the 500 bonus damage applied lifesteal. 500 bonus damage rules, wards rule (I've lately been going around warding almost everything as Singed with five river wards and four buff wards), armour + AD rules, lifesteal rules.

seriously though WARDS, been warding so much lately and it really makes a jungle Nocturne's ganks suck.
 
they removed the 500 damage proccing lifesteal a few patches ago. regardless wriggles is still a great item but most of the time i like an early BF Sword better, or more doran blades.
 
The lifesteal and extra armor is probably likely to provide more damage than the 12 extra damage per hit that a BF sword will provide, because you'll live longer. Not to mention now you're not wasting gold on health pots / wards any more, so the BF sword comes to you that much quicker. The 500 damage proc on minions is just gravy...

I'll take Wriggles over an early BF Sword any day of the week. And Wriggles kind of replaces Dorans Stacking since you get a decent amount of damage / lifesteal / survivability, which is what Dorans Stacking is meant to provide.
 
the bf sword speeds up your last hitting without unecessarily pushing your lane

i would always take bf sword over wriggles if i could afford it first trip back, but usually that isn't the case so you take madreds for durability and build up to wriggles

or even start vamp scepter especially if your lane partner isn't a good healer (pretty much only taric, alistar, janna)

i dislike wriggles as a must get item, but there are times when you would take it (related to lane composition) and triple wriggles is a good strategy for forcing dragon and baron

oh and wriggles won't save you from the Annie 2 levels ahead of you flashing in from a bush. dorans will
 
LonelyNess said:
The lifesteal and extra armor is probably likely to provide more damage than the 12 extra damage per hit that a BF sword will provide, because you'll live longer. Not to mention now you're not wasting gold on health pots / wards any more, so the BF sword comes to you that much quicker. The 500 damage proc on minions is just gravy...

I'll take Wriggles over an early BF Sword any day of the week. And Wriggles kind of replaces Dorans Stacking since you get a decent amount of damage / lifesteal / survivability, which is what Dorans Stacking is meant to provide.
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Any ranged AD carry is going bot with a support in this metagame. Most supports can heal, barring the occasional Janna. B. F. Sword, as Thorns said, makes last hitting easier and makes your poke harder. You won't need the lifesteal or the extra armor if you're laning with a Soraka, Sona, or Taric. You shouldn't be buying wards anyway if your support is any good.

I guess it's a matter of taste. If you're playing with a support who can't heal you like Janna, then early Wriggles may be nice, although I'd personally rather build double Doran's into Vamp Scepter into a Bloodthirster. If you're playing with a roaming-oriented AD carry style then I GUESS you can use Wriggles but you're also missing out on a lot of CS.
 
Well, I have 35 more losses than wins so whenever I have to play a ranged AD (which is rarely since my team instalocks 2-4 of them) I definitely don't have a support on my team (this trait not exclusive to games where I play a ranged AD), I'm mid, and hell if anyone on my team buys more than one ward a game. Wriggle's is good where I am, as are Mercury's Treads over Berserker Greaves.
 
Yeah, as a level 12 even when my teammates are good they don't ward. I tend to only ward if it becomes a problem. (Enemies utilizing brush a lot, enemies ganking a lot.)
 
wee 2nd game building wriggles on nasus
234 cs solo top 3/3/7 victory with smogon dudes
wriggles is perfect on nasus. still get to start with cloth/4-5pots and get sheen pretty quick as well
 
I build wriggles on Annie when we dual AP because I'm a team player

I would only really bother building Wriggles on a ranged AD such as Caitlyn or Ashe if I was in a Premade and had arranged to do that strategy with the rest of my team. In pubs it's not as useful as just getting an early BF Sword and have that excellent poke and easy farm.

Me and sm64 just carried some smogon guys, I dropped tibbers instead of a ward. Good times were had by all.
 
hi

i'd like to take this moment to plug #tf2 on irc.synirc.net, which actually has more league of legends discussion than tf2 discussion

feel free to swing by
 
Kinneas said:
I build wriggles on Annie when we dual AP because I'm a team player

I would only really bother building Wriggles on a ranged AD such as Caitlyn or Ashe if I was in a Premade and had arranged to do that strategy with the rest of my team. In pubs it's not as useful as just getting an early BF Sword and have that excellent poke and easy farm.

Me and sm64 just carried some smogon guys, I dropped tibbers instead of a ward. Good times were had by all.
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straight disrespecting nasus right here
 
Sustain AP up top?

Fuck that noise we run a bruiser.

Roamer / Tank in the jungle?

Fuck that noise we run a bruiser.

Ranged AD down bot?

Fuck that noise we run a bruiser.

TSM #1 strategist.
 
the defeat of europe


Also it's kind of on the back of my mind with the tournament going on, but kinda excited for Dominion. Could stand to improve my summoners rift/standard moba skills pretty significantly still, so I hope it isn't out TOO soon, but it looks fun. I know a lot of moba vets are a little worried about it being new and different and probably not as competitively sound, but I think it's being billed as a just-for-fun type game mode enough that things will work out for everyone. Most of the people playing it have seemed pleasantly surprised but i'm sure they know they better say that if they know what's good for them, too, so trying to take that with a grain of salt. Also, kind of curious about balance issues the small skirmish based gameplay will cause that will carry over in summoners rift(which scares me as a WoW vet since they screwed up pve for pvp and vice versa and awful lot), though the riot guy on the stream evaded that pretty well by saying the scenarios in dominion occur in summoners rift anyway, just left often.

Speaking of being a WoW vet I have to admit i'm pretty pleased with the differences between Dominion and the clearly connected Arathi Basin(even without saying "there's no fucking cliffs"). I enjoy that you need to have control of more points than the opposition to be scoring since it was always kind of lame when one team racked up an early lead and could then just turtle at one or two nodes and squeak out a win... there was a massive like 340-80ish choke where the 340 lost on one of the streamed matches which is kind of cool since you have to actually close it out. Point system is interesting as far as gauging individuals too, KD was a terrible form of evaluation in AB since it makes sense to stall and die a lot and random kills don't directly contribute(but it looked like they do some here?) much. Not that it matters much anyway since much like KDA I care just a LITTLE more about my nexus hp's score than Rumbles ecockometer.
 
Sometimes I wonder if Riots Games run their servers out of a shoebox. They're just so painfully inconsistent


Also OMG TSM actually lost something. SK forever!
 
Synre said:
Not that it matters much anyway since much like KDA I care just a LITTLE more about my nexus hp's score than Rumbles ecockometer.
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Yes. I have won my last four games in a row. One as Warwick in which I had a 9/12/22 KDA which did feel good. But the other three I was Annie and flailed pretty hard (3/9/7 - 0/9/4 - 2/11/4). Two of these games my team fared pretty poorly as far as KDA was concerned and the enemy team had more kills. They were then shocked when they lost and called it a bad game. So many people can't comprehend that Kills do not win games if you don't take advantage of them by pushing. I love losing three team fights in a row where the whole enemy team bluepills the second they kill us all. Then we win one and push all the way to their base.
 
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