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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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Warwick. It's easier to carry as him, he does more damage, and he's stronger than Nunu atm.
Is Warwick's optimal jungle "take cloth armour, take 5 health potions, do whatever"?
You should probably make sure you have a few towels at hand when you plan on playing LoL
Nunu is kinda bad, but I would really say that you should go with Amumu, as he is probably the best jungler out there. I mean, he has an AoE STUN for god's sake, then a follow-up stun to the OTHER stun
Warwick is pretty slow and he doesn't need the cloth armor. I recommend Long Sword to start off. You can elect to jungle until 4 or 5 if you want to gank earlier, or just go for a sustained jungle until 6 to get your ult as fast as possible.
masterful: The question was to choose between Warwick and Nunu, so I answered as such. Personally I wouldn't pick either of them as jungler top picks.
I was looking for an easy jungler since operation Fiddlesticks was... an abysmal failure.
What'd you do wrong, fiddles doesn't even need runes to jungle...
Pissed my pants because I was taking minion damage.
Oh I find Amumu super easy to jungle, W + E destroys every single camp. Also he can gank and escape extremely well with his Q.
I tried fiddle oh god it was horrible got killed by blue after 2 minutes and then killed again by wraiths. :c
I tried fiddle oh god it was horrible got killed by blue after 2 minutes and then killed again by wraiths. :c
See, the problem with this is the fact Amumu is always first ban where I am. :x
Warwick is the Ryze or Vlad of Jungling, slam your face against the keyboard and watch as you pick up the buffs. But Amumu isn't hard to jungle as, is probably the best jungler out there, and is a fucking mummy, so there's that too
Amumu was one of the best tanks before the meta shifted and tanks were no longer run outside of the jungle. Now he's all but uncontested for the True Tank role.
Seriously? the people in your rank have apparently never heard of Fiddlesticks or Orianna or Ashe or etc. Just play Fiddles then, and level the fuck out of your W. That's about all there is to it. If you can't jungle Fiddlesticks with a build guide, you shouldn't ever play LoL ever
No, banning Amumu is the smartest thing. Fiddle is a fad right now, the high ELO players are learning to get around him and now Europe is learning too. Amumu will be consistent long after Fiddle settles in lower first tier.
Also, I've never seen anyone not die their first time jungling with fiddle. He is not an easy jungle.
You'd say Fiddles is just a fad, but every single time you're just sitting ina lane when you hear "flash sound, CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCA-" you begin to want to ban fiddles more and more. Amumu is not first ban worthy, imo, even though I may be completely wrong. There are a lot more threatening champs that I would be quicker to ban
Mumu is strong in all ELOs, as is Fiddle. At the moment Fiddle is banned more because he's harder to deal with and his ultimate can win a game, while Amumu is more reliant on the follow-up.
Hey man, that invisibility is pretty OP
On an unrelated note, it has been confirmed that Riot Games runs their servers out of a shoebox. I've been waiting over an hour because Over 9000 people were trying to log on the same time as me
True hollywood story; Never been ganked by a Fiddlesticks. When I see the person I'm laning against beeline towards me, all I have to do is move backwards to ruin an ultimate. When people figure out how to deal with him, and they will, he'll still be a top tier character but Amumu is better. Amumu is a relic from an age where the tank defined your team fighting strategy. He impacts games no differently now, but unlike other tanks is allowed to still do so because he can jungle very well.
you've never played against a proper fiddles then, in one of my replays i do a gank where i get my bot lane to push up, i sneak through the bush out of minion sight THROUGH THE LANE and ult out of the bush into their tower and pick up a kill
fiddles initiates ganks. if you see a fiddles gank it should be your laning opponent who moves in after fiddles, not the other way round, unlike udyr, xin zhao or pretty much any other jungler. it's his long-range cc that seals the deal
As far as the bans at low ELO mentioned a bit ago it is basically always Amumu first and then some combination of Gangplank, Mordekaiser, Annie, Fiddlesticks, Udyr, Nocturne, and Alistar. It's always kind of funny to me that the bans are so jungler-centric since I think in about half of my ranked games if I didn't jungle no one on either team would have actually done so(which is 2 games, I guess. The other 3 one of the two teams' junglers annihilated the other team, Amumu once for and then Xin and ...Tryndamere?... once each against). I think the bans (mostly) make sense at this ELO ignoring that; I argue for bans on stuff like Orianna when we play 5s but she requires a lot of skill to play well... skills people at this level don't have... and instead I prefer to ban stuff like Amumu, Fiddle, Mordekaiser, and Xin Zhao that tend to be good at beating up bad players(though at least Amumu has an important skillshot I guesss)since I can't be in every lane at once all game. The Gangplank ban seems a little dated, but the ranked I've played where he wasn't banned I nabbed him with first pick and even I managed to run over the game pretty easily with him, so maybe that's still good enough. Up to 1337(lol) after getting to play/win 3 yesterday(and with my web not going out like last time I tried to play a couple ranked...) so I'm a little higher than Rayquaza2233, but imagine it's still the same mindset. I find I basically have to jungle every game even though I'm not very good at it if I want to win... 5-1 jungling and the 1 I was DCed all game and couldn't help at all.
Speaking of jungling and Fiddle in previous posts, I tried that in a couple unrankeds yesterday since it seems like he doesn't get banned as much as some of the other good jungles in my ELO(though Lee Sin never does and he's who I want to play anyway) and kinda had mixed results in the two games I played. I didn't die in the jungle or anything but I'm not used to getting as low as I did at the beginning of his with the route in this solo mid guide(particularly because I wasn't perfect executing which I guess isn't that surprising having never played Fiddle before) which made me back early once and get behind some. I was having a hard time using my Ult even though that's so much of Fiddle's power... in most of my ganks if I could sneak out and hit my fear they would die anyway, and it let me avoid risking stupid things happening during the channel time of Crowstorm, so I never used it much early/mid game. Late game there weren't many organized teamfights so there wasn't much need for it then either... I need to get better at finding situations where I can make it work, I guess. Terrify+Drain was getting me kills when I attacked lanes and had any help at all from my laner though... Terrify is still really strong.
EDIT: ALSO we fought a couple carry Sorakas yesterday so gene probably had to vomit but they fell off late game and rolled over for us pretty easily as expected
Speaking of jungling and Fiddle in previous posts, I tried that in a couple unrankeds yesterday since it seems like he doesn't get banned as much as some of the other good jungles in my ELO(though Lee Sin never does and he's who I want to play anyway) and kinda had mixed results in the two games I played. I didn't die in the jungle or anything but I'm not used to getting as low as I did at the beginning of his with the route in this solo mid guide(particularly because I wasn't perfect executing which I guess isn't that surprising having never played Fiddle before) which made me back early once and get behind some. I was having a hard time using my Ult even though that's so much of Fiddle's power... in most of my ganks if I could sneak out and hit my fear they would die anyway, and it let me avoid risking stupid things happening during the channel time of Crowstorm, so I never used it much early/mid game. Late game there weren't many organized teamfights so there wasn't much need for it then either... I need to get better at finding situations where I can make it work, I guess. Terrify+Drain was getting me kills when I attacked lanes and had any help at all from my laner though... Terrify is still really strong.
EDIT: ALSO we fought a couple carry Sorakas yesterday so gene probably had to vomit but they fell off late game and rolled over for us pretty easily as expected
It's not that I won't play tanks, it's just that I have none to play. Also, I have sub-optimal runes for it (only have armor yellows but dodge are better past 100 defense so yea).
But yea with Nunu vs Warwick, Nunu NEEDS early ganks in order to do well (cuz that's what he does best). If you're not doing a level 2 gank then you're already losing the part that Nunu does best.
But yea with Nunu vs Warwick, Nunu NEEDS early ganks in order to do well (cuz that's what he does best). If you're not doing a level 2 gank then you're already losing the part that Nunu does best.
All that tells me is that the people you play with are super obvious with ganks, which means all of nothing when you consider how easy it is for Fiddles to gank you if you aren't aware that he is coming, which cannot be said for every jungler
I want to make a PSA right now. If your team doesn't have a jungler, and if you have the runs and champs required to jungle, BE A JUNGLER! It is such a massive advantage to have a jungler that you are crippling yourself immensely by not having one.