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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??

The Base heal was nerfed, but in all it's a huge buff in terms of sustain.

You have to have <400 HP in order for 2% of your health to be less than 8 HP returned...
 
how do you counter AD carries? i have literally never been able to win a fight against a melee AD carry (master yi, xin zhao, udyr, gangplank etc.). seems like when they get even one or two kills they become invincible :L
 
xenu said:
how do you counter AD carries? i have literally never been able to win a fight against a melee AD carry (master yi, xin zhao, udyr, gangplank etc.). seems like when they get even one or two kills they become invincible :L
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there are plenty of ways: stack armor is usually the best way, take exhause as a summoner spell, cc them in fights, hug towers.

is anyone still interested in a smogon team?
 
Rayquaza2233 said:
oh, max. I read it as current which is why the skill made no sense. Support Shen : a thing?
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As overdone as it is I think a tanky DPS Shen could work.

Given that Ki Strike got buffed to 12% HP and Vorpal Blade heals 2% HP on hit, Warmog's would be perfect for Shen, which means Atma's would also be good on Shen and I think you can see where this is going.

Mercs or Tabi/Triforce/Atma's/Warmog's/Wit's End/i dunno (youmuu's? last whisper?)
 
jonnyrolo said:
there are plenty of ways: stack armor is usually the best way, take exhause as a summoner spell, cc them in fights, hug towers.

is anyone still interested in a smogon team?
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Yes, RODAN is holding tryouts on his smurf RODAN H. Add him and play a few games with him and if he feels you are good enough you can join Team Smogon
 
@xenu: Try using Malphite or Rammus, if you like tanks. Malphite with Frozen Heart laughs at almost all AD carries, while Rammus heavily punishes you for attacking him.

Tanking with Shen is going to be even more amazing if they go through with the buffs though, I'm so excited. Vorpal Blade will be mind-numbingly better (that heal is pretty nuts, and having it proc on last hits is a dream come true, since I chuck 'em at minions all the time), Shadow Dash being able to not set you back so far in energy is great, Ki Strike buffs don't make me feel stupid for taunting minions anymore, and Feint is nice, lol. I can be a happy solo top Shen, woot.
 
xenu said:
how do you counter AD carries? i have literally never been able to win a fight against a melee AD carry (master yi, xin zhao, udyr, gangplank etc.). seems like when they get even one or two kills they become invincible :L
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Thornmail. Snares also work, but pretty much any tank should have a field day with an AD carry.
 
thornmail is actually rather mediocre as a counter for AD unless the enemy team is either very highly AD based or just lacks sustain altogether or has a shit AP carry

most of the time frozen heart/randuin's/GA does the job 100000x better

Melee AD carries are defeated with positioning and kiting. Ranged AD carries are defeated by your own melee AD carry with a gap closer and enough damage to kill the person who doesn't know how to position themselves or kite.
 
xenu said:
how do you counter AD carries? i have literally never been able to win a fight against a melee AD carry (master yi, xin zhao, udyr, gangplank etc.). seems like when they get even one or two kills they become invincible :L
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I find any champ with a shield + cc is the most effective.(Sion, Shen etc.) And if the enemy AD Carry is doing good mid game, Wardens Mail works pretty well too.
 
Hmm. I've recently started playing and would like somebody to help show me the ropes. (Fun game so far.) Is there anyone here who's willing to play a few matches against an AI with me to help me learn a few tricks about the game?
 
let's talk about trundle: why is he never played? Out of the 400games I have had I have encountered him ONCE.
I picked him up (best 4800IP spent) and with the two games I played with him (small sample size I know), I played really well and was always a threat to the enemy team. Does anybody realise how strong his Q+W is?

Q: 1.2 AD ratio on max 4 sec cooldown which drains 20 AD from enemy/adds 40AD to him ALSO applies on hit effect. You can win harassment tradeoffs because of this.

W: 40%CC reduction / 60% Attack speed buff. Stacked with merc treads, you are like a mini Irelia with DPS potential. Wit's End/stacking AD/crit chance procs are all favourable because of this

his E is mediocre and his R isn't too game breaking (target tank; rush to carries) although altogther makes him such a good tanky DPS choice. Also his ability to tower dive is amazing!
y no choose him?
 
Lol I disagree about Trundle...his E and R are very good. Dat E, it is like Cataclysm and Crystallize, in that it counts as impassable terrain. Impassable terrain that slows enemies around it. Excellent for cutting off escapes, especially when combined with Contaminate. It also, iirc, will push people away from it a bit if they're near its center when it rises, so being able to separate is nice too.

And his R...weakening a tank or tanky DPS, making it harder for them to fulfill their role? Yes please! And then you just happen to get some of those stats for yourself, making you even better at your job.

I think the reason he isn't seen too often is...idk, I guess his price and his kit? The 4800 champs don't get too much love (it goes J4 > Rumble > Trundle > Orianna, in terms of popularity), and while Trundle is by no means a bad champ, he won't come off as sounding strong as much as champs like Nocturne, Udyr, and Lee Sin might. In other words, Trundle has a kit that is strong, but doesn't sound as strong as others. So in lower ELO you wouldn't see him much, but I'm pretty sure he's in the jungle in the higher ELOs (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here).

On another note, is it bad that I have a strong urge to use Karma? I feel so dirty just typing her name...
 
Renosaur said:
let's talk about trundle: why is he never played? Out of the 400games I have had I have encountered him ONCE.
I picked him up (best 4800IP spent) and with the two games I played with him (small sample size I know), I played really well and was always a threat to the enemy team. Does anybody realise how strong his Q+W is?

Q: 1.2 AD ratio on max 4 sec cooldown which drains 20 AD from enemy/adds 40AD to him ALSO applies on hit effect. You can win harassment tradeoffs because of this.

W: 40%CC reduction / 60% Attack speed buff. Stacked with merc treads, you are like a mini Irelia with DPS potential. Wit's End/stacking AD/crit chance procs are all favourable because of this

his E is mediocre and his R isn't too game breaking (target tank; rush to carries) although altogther makes him such a good tanky DPS choice. Also his ability to tower dive is amazing!
y no choose him?
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saintvicious, oddone, and jatt pick trundle all the time. people ban trundle in tournaments against dignitas just because jatt's trundle is so fucking scary. he's definitely the best control jungler and 1v1 jungler in the game and his ult is basically counter-rammus, who has been seeing a lot more play recently.

don't play trundle though. he's terrible. nobody ever uses him and he dies too fast and you should spend IP on that new champion coming out who looks pretty cool.
-ssotp
 
On another note, is it bad that I have a strong urge to use Karma? I feel so dirty just typing her name...
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I used to get those urges on occasion. She's actually ok, but every other support is better.
 
I would've been part of SSoTP, but I got Irelia that day instead...

Karma strikes me to be in a similar place as Zilean, in that they both function late game as support, but don't need to be such early game. The real difference, of course, being that Karma wants AP, meaning she wants to farm. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Idk. Her ratios aren't too bad, and her kit is nice, even without Mantra. With Mantra, she gets an AoE heal and a damaging shield. On top of it all, she is one of those champs that forces you to have good positioning to get the most out of her.

I'm not saying she's amazing; I don't own her, and I don't claim to have any knowledge of many people using her. She just doesn't strike me as the poor champ she seems written off to be. Is the main complaint that, in order for her to be useful as support, she has to play as an AP carry first, effectively putting her in a suboptimal middle ground?
 
Karma is an amazing burst mage but in a solo lane she is very weak without a partner to speed up, shield burst, and you really shouldn't be using the heal on just yourself. In a double lane she is either support which is worse, so her only decent position on a team is as an AP carry in bot. This is why she doesn't see much play.
 
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