SPOILERS! Legends ZA Data Dumps - Adding Info to OP

[Moyashi]

oh my god is natdex finally going to be a somewhat real tier now? instead of the most stupid application of mechanics alive?

It’s always been real. I really don’t understand this bizarre hate boner attitude some of you have over such trivial things that are minor mechanics that don’t impact games on average, or at all.

Zygarde has a new Dragon Type signature move that hits even Fairy Types called Nihil Light.

Possible Story Spoiler

Could be a story related boss battle only move though

I was gonna say Mega-ZygardeC wasn’t gonna be super busted…. But…

 

[Yung Dramps]

It’s always been real. I really don’t understand this bizarre hate boner attitude some of you have over such trivial things that are minor mechanics that don’t impact games on average, or at all.



I was gonna say Mega-ZygardeC wasn’t gonna be super busted…. But…

Tbh I'm not sure this matters THAT much given it already learns Sludge Wave, useful for switch-ins ofc but still

 

[Ropalme1914]

Regarding Nihil Light (big story spoilers):
Lysandre straight up says that "the move that Zygarde used when it Mega Evolved reminds of the Z-Moves used in the Alola Region". This is pretty big, since it's literally a Mega using a Z-Move-like, particularly for Champions lol although there's also a theory being thrown around that maybe Core Enforcer turns into Nihil Light when Zygarde Mega Evolves, as Core Enforcer has no secondary effect in this game. I can't confirm that, though.
Regarding the returning character (VERY BIG story spoilers):
After AZ dies, he leaves a Poké Ball with Lucario to you, saying a trainer, explicity said to be female, left to him so that he could defend himself, so it's most likely her. Also, in that same letter that he left, he says he also remembers "when that dark day fell over Galar", which is another fun reference since he indeed should be alive for the original Darkest Day.

 

[Count Bleck]

Better look at some of these megas

 

[Bakugames]

Clearly the biggest, most glaring and obvious problem with this game is that there aren't more Alola Megas. Here's to the DLC remedying this!

they left out my gwagwa turtonator while giving drampa a sick mega. SAD!

It’s always been real. I really don’t understand this bizarre hate boner attitude some of you have over such trivial things that are minor mechanics that don’t impact games on average, or at all.

i think the entire premise of natdex is flawed (reverting the move dexit already made it not real to me) but i like making fun of this more because its objectively stupid and funny to point out

 

[RoyalDispenser]

Clearly the biggest, most glaring and obvious problem with this game is that there aren't more Alola Megas. Here's to the DLC remedying this!

ditching hoenn to give megas to future generations.

Flygon:

Flygon is so criminally wronged if it somehow makes it through gen 10 without a mega.

 

[Sirya]

Tbh I'm not sure this matters THAT much given it already learns Sludge Wave, useful for switch-ins ofc but still

It means zyg can compress that move into a dragon stab that hits fairies anyway. Its a big deal the same with thousand arrows.

 

[richi3f]

The text dumps confirm that Mega Zygarde needs to be in Complete form to Mega Evolve:

One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. When in Complete Forme and holding this stone, Zygarde will be able to Mega Evolve during battle.

 

[ShaunShen]

Looks like Galarian Slowbro cannot Mega Evolve into Mega Slowbro.

 

[Moyashi]

Tbh I'm not sure this matters THAT much given it already learns Sludge Wave, useful for switch-ins ofc but still

The main thing is that it no longer has to predict switches when attacking, just spam stabs as wanting to.

i think the entire premise of natdex is flawed (reverting the move dexit already made it not real to me)

??? The tier exists for those who want to play a format without Dexit screwing stuff around. Why is that "flawed"?

 

[Just A Seaking]

I was digging through the script and found something interesting about Mewtwo:

Spoiler

Turns out Mewtwo was a part of X and Y's lore all along? Feels like a pretty strange retcon, but I at least appreciate it has a reason to be here now.

 

[Missingno.1998]

The text dumps confirm that Mega Zygarde needs to be in Complete form to Mega Evolve:

That makes Zygarde worse right? Because it means he will never be in his Mega form at 100% HP, and there is the very real possibility he dies before being able to go 100% and transforms, right?

 

[Bakugames]

The text dumps confirm that Mega Zygarde needs to be in Complete form to Mega Evolve:

holy shit this mega went from potential insane to potential ass. i will never assume because i remember how people were thinking spectrier was going to be awful in ou and then it got banned lol but this seems like such a complicated mega to pull off now

 

[Sirya]

and there is the very real possibility he dies before being able to go 100% and transforms, right?

Zyg with power construct is obscene and that shit never dies.

 

[Revelation]

Especially since I think that the internal list of moves that has them numbered specifically for this game strangely had Agility numbered last or otherwise very far at the end of the LZ-A specific list. This suggests that Agility was originally left out for this game and then it was added back in late in development.

EDIT: I found the list I mentioned, it’s the one Kaphotics released a few days ago:

https://pastebin.com/K6xyBaQ5

And indeed, Agility is listed even after the new Nihil Light for LZ-A’s own list of moves. I’m convinced Agility was cut for a long while during development.

Exactlyyyyyyyy

 

[Eriorguez]

Ever since the Zygarde cores were used to teach it signature moves, but also 2 common level up moves, I've been pondering if they were intending to give it Geomancy and Oblivion Wing as well.

Because eesh that'd be... scary.

 

[Karxrida]

Regarding Nihil Light (big story spoilers):
Lysandre straight up says that "the move that Zygarde used when it Mega Evolved reminds of the Z-Moves used in the Alola Region". This is pretty big, since it's literally a Mega using a Z-Move-like, particularly for Champions lol although there's also a theory being thrown around that maybe Core Enforcer turns into Nihil Light when Zygarde Mega Evolves, as Core Enforcer has no secondary effect in this game. I can't confirm that, though.
Regarding the returning character (VERY BIG story spoilers):
After AZ dies, he leaves a Poké Ball with Lucario to you, saying a trainer, explicity said to be female, left to him so that he could defend himself, so it's most likely her. Also, in that same letter that he left, he says he also remembers "when that dark day fell over Galar", which is another fun reference since he indeed should be alive for the original Darkest Day.

ngl these story spoilers have done more to make me interested in the game than any of the marketing.

??? The tier exists for those who want to play a format without Dexit screwing stuff around. Why is that "flawed"?

Literally the first thing the NatDex did this gen was quickban Shedinja because that thing was clearly never meant to be allowed to use Tera. Extrapolate from there.

holy shit this mega went from potential insane to potential ass. i will never assume because i remember how people were thinking spectrier was going to be awful in ou and then it got banned lol but this seems like such a complicated mega to pull off now

Use Substitute like people did back in Gen 7. Zygarde only needs STABs when one of its moves ignores an immunity.

 

[doipy hooves]

I’m VERY curious what Agility is going to do in this game.

Every other speed boost (other than Geomancy) getting cut, speed influencing cool-downs and Agility being listed AFTER the brand new mystery move, really has me intrigued.

Do we have move descriptions yet??

https://github.com/CPokemon/plza-text/blob/main/english/common/wazainfo.txt

097 889A07CA896FFBBF WAZAINFO_097 The user relaxes its muscles to make its body feel lighter,\nincreasing the user’s movement speed for a short time.

 

[Missingno.1998]

holy shit this mega went from potential insane to potential ass. i will never assume because i remember how people were thinking spectrier was going to be awful in ou and then it got banned lol but this seems like such a complicated mega to pull off now

Here's to hoping it gets a great ability (hopefully something to offset the fact that it has to be in 100% form to Mega Evolve AND only gets a 70 bst increase

Edit: Nihil Light also ignores stat changes. That's really cool.

 

[BolTingBlazie]

Clearly the biggest, most glaring and obvious problem with this game is that there aren't more Alola Megas. Here's to the DLC remedying this!

Hope we get mega corviknight in dlc as well as the mega flygon that we all want

 

[Revelation]

https://github.com/CPokemon/plza-text/blob/main/english/common/wazainfo.txt

097 889A07CA896FFBBF WAZAINFO_097 The user relaxes its muscles to make its body feel lighter,\nincreasing the user’s movement speed for a short time.

So it sounds like the speed boost will be temporary unlike the offence/defence boosts…

VERY interesting, thank you!

 

[R_N]

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Better look at some of these megas

OK I know that the scale is always going to be a little off for various reasons but ignoring the alpha and just comparing to the rest of the scene oh my god he's tiny.

"What if totodile when chomping" is such an insane path to take Feraligatr down lmao. Incredible.

 

[Ironmage]

Literally the first thing the NatDex did this gen was quickban Shedinja because that thing was clearly never meant to be allowed to use Tera. Extrapolate from there.

What I extrapolated from that is that we shouldn't be putting up with GF cutting interesting mechanics and replacing them with something lame enough that Shedinja is the only actually interesting synergy.

 

[BolTingBlazie]

It's kinda hard to tell how good mega feraligatr will be but it reminds me a lot of mega Gyarados where it really becomes a demon once set up, but even moreso

Though water/dragon is an ever so slightly better typing than water/dark even if both dual typings are cracked

Other than having less special bulk and more physical bulky it seems like just a better mega Gyarados in most ways since it gets more coverage and priority in aqua jet that mega Gyarados really wished it had

 

[Eriorguez]

I still believe that both Max and Tera should require specific held items to begin with.

Yeah there is the whole raid play, but the high level ones are just boring optimization fests.

Anyway, megas my beloveds, shame there is no ability data pretty much (although Aura Break Mega Zygarde does it for me ngl). I suppose Alolan Raichu won't be able to go Mega either come the DLC.

Still, would have enjoyed megas for regionals. Artillery cannon Slowbro-G would rock.