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Just played three rounds with Inconsistent. Won all three. The third, an uber match was 6-0 sweep by Bibarel.




Battle between Gauss and Land before Time started!

Tier: Dream World Ubers
Variation: +60, -39
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Land before Time sent out Smeargle!
Gauss sent out Togekiss!

Start of turn 1
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Togekiss used Air Slash!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!

Start of turn 2
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Togekiss fell asleep!

The foe's Togekiss is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 3
Gauss called Togekiss back!
Gauss sent out Forretress!

Smeargle used Ingrain!
Smeargle planted its roots!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 4
Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Land before Time called Smeargle back!
Land before Time sent out Bibarel!

The foe's Forretress used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Land before Time's team!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 5
Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress used Explosion!
The foe's Forretress fainted!
Bibarel avoided the attack!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Gauss sent out Lucario!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
Bibarel protected itself!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
Bibarel protected itself!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 11
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
Bibarel protected itself!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
Bibarel protected itself!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 14
The foe's Lucario used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Gauss called Lucario back!
Gauss sent out Darkrai!

Bibarel used Protect!
But it failed!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
The foe's Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Darkrai missed!

Bibarel used Toxic!
The foe's Darkrai was poisoned!

The foe's Darkrai is hurt by poison!
Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 17
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Darkrai missed!

The foe's Darkrai is hurt by poison!
Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 18
Bibarel used Protect!
But it failed!

The foe's Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Darkrai missed!

The foe's Darkrai is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!

Start of turn 19
Gauss called Darkrai back!
Gauss sent out Latios!

Bibarel used Protect!
But it failed!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 20
The foe's Latios used Dragon Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Latios missed!

Bibarel used Toxic!
The foe's Latios was poisoned!

The foe's Latios is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 21
The foe's Latios used Dragon Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Latios missed!

Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Latios lost 10% of its health!

The foe's Latios is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Latios used Dragon Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Latios missed!

Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Latios lost 10% of its health!

The foe's Latios is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Latios used Dragon Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Latios missed!

Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Latios lost 7% of its health!

The foe's Latios is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 24
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Latios used Dragon Pulse!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Latios is hurt by poison!
The foe's Latios fainted!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!
Gauss sent out Lucario!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Lucario used ExtremeSpeed!
Bibarel's substitute took the damage!
The foe's Lucario is hurt by its Life Orb!

Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Lucario lost 40% of its health!
The foe's Lucario fainted!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
Gauss sent out Darkrai!

Start of turn 26
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Darkrai missed!

The foe's Darkrai is hurt by poison!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 27
The foe's Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
The attack of the foe's Darkrai missed!

Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Darkrai lost 56% of its health!
The foe's Darkrai fainted!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!
Gauss sent out Togekiss!

Start of turn 28
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 45% of its health!

The foe's Togekiss is fast asleep!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 29
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 33% of its health!

The foe's Togekiss is fast asleep!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 30
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 23% of its health!

The foe's Togekiss woke up!
The foe's Togekiss used Roost!
The foe's Togekiss landed on the ground!
The foe's Togekiss regained health!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 31
Bibarel used Toxic!
The foe's Togekiss was poisoned!

The foe's Togekiss used Roost!
The foe's Togekiss landed on the ground!
The foe's Togekiss regained health!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
The foe's Togekiss is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 32
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 16% of its health!

The foe's Togekiss used Nasty Plot!
The foe's Togekiss's Sp. Att. sharply rose!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 33
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 12% of its health!

The foe's Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 34
Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

The foe's Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Bibarel's substitute faded!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 35
Bibarel used Protect!
Bibarel protected itself!

The foe's Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
Bibarel protected itself!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Togekiss is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 36
Bibarel used Waterfall!
The foe's Togekiss lost 2% of its health!
The foe's Togekiss fainted!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!
Gauss sent out Shaymin-S!

Start of turn 37
Bibarel used Substitute!
Bibarel made a substitute!

The foe's Shaymin-S used Air Slash!
The attack of the foe's Shaymin-S missed!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 38
Bibarel used Toxic!
The foe's Shaymin-S was poisoned!

The foe's Shaymin-S used Air Slash!
Bibarel's substitute took the damage!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!
Bibarel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 39
Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Shaymin-S lost 15% of its health!

The foe's Shaymin-S flinched!

Bibarel absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 40
Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Shaymin-S lost 14% of its health!

The foe's Shaymin-S flinched!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 41
Bibarel used Waterfall!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Shaymin-S lost 15% of its health!

The foe's Shaymin-S flinched!

Bibarel's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Bibarel's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!
The foe's Shaymin-S fainted!

Land before Time won the battle!
Land before Time: All Pokémon are equal, but some Pokémon are more equal than others.
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Good thing for me i always use CM Musharna on my teams, which walls and trolls the hell out of every Inconsistent user. At least until it gets crit'd of course.

Other than that, it seems like it's a annoying ability. I told on the Octilerry thread that Inconsistnet wasn't that bad, i'm a visionary.
 
M BLADE said:
Good thing for me i always use CM Musharna on my teams, which walls and trolls the hell out of every Inconsistent user. At least until it gets crit'd of course.

Other than that, it seems like it's a annoying ability. I told on the Octilerry thread that Inconsistnet wasn't that bad, i'm a visionary.
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If u don't mind me asking, how does. Mushuarna wall and troll them?
 
The best arguments people try to come up with against Inconsistent being banned seem to be
-It relies on Luck (So what? That has never been a legitimate excuse and is the exact reasoning for a ban. Luck has nothing to do with playing skill and can even trump it, especially in these cases.)

-A "well constructed team" can play around it (What are you smoking? Reason #1 of Luck negates this since even the best teams are torn apart if luck should turn against you and Inconsistent has a VERY big chance of doing so).

-It has (some) counters like Haze/Perish Song/Taunt/Roar/Whirlwind/Clear Smog/Dragon Tail/Unaware (Yeah, Roar/Whirlwind/Dragon Tail can miss and are only temporary, as is Haze. Haze is worse since it doesn't do any damage at all and they get yet another +2 which if it is an attack boost will deal heavy damage back to you. Clear Smog users are very very few and the best one is the shroom and pretty much none of the others would ever be seen/use it like Gengar would never carry it. Perish Song can still give them enough time to beat you and switch out and unless it's the last one, only temporary. Taunt users can get attacked like Octillery Flamethrowing/Icebeaming/etc Mischievious Heart birds and Taunt users. And they could still get defenses and evasion boosts to make them really hard to kill. Plus it forces you to use obscure things like Unaware and Perish Song Murkrow which would be absolutely useless otherwise. Even then you have the advantage, forcing people to run stupid stuff and still have a higher than likely chance of winning.)

-It can strike against itself (see 1st reason. Again, so what? The likelyhood of it doing something truly bad to you is far far less than doing something bad to the opponent. And relying on the opponent's luck to be bad is not a strategy at all, it is a hope. There is no strategy involved there).

There is no Counter that can reliably stop Inconsistent. In many cases, it is only temporary and it can still often kill you. You can't play around it with good prediction like other players and it comes down to simply who has the best luck. Obviously if played stupidly, even the best of luck won't work. But if there is even a modicum of at least some skill, Inconsistent can completely turn things around. It has a nasty habit of doing so, turning losing games into winning games for them. And even if it doesn't work, there is nothing to lose if they were losing anyways. But if it gets pulled off, they have everything to gain. Inconsistent is a nasty ability that either was made when Game Freak was high or was knowingly made just to screw with the players (which they have a fun time doing to like taunting Flareon with good stuff and witholding it while turning things like Ditto/Octillery/Bibarel/Glalie/etc into absolute monsters and creating things like Doryuzu).
 
okay thsi thing might be broken in OU but not in Ubers.
Sane Uber players will never caught off guard after seeing those incos abuser and with ubers insane base stats, Its going to be hard to beat them even with boost
 
JSND said:
okay thsi thing might be broken in OU but not in Ubers.
Sane Uber players will never caught off guard after seeing those incos abuser and with ubers insane base stats, Its going to be hard to beat them even with boost
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Yes, but it should still be banned from OU.

It would be VERY difficult for Inconsistent in Ubers but it might work...if there isn't a 100% Thunder flying your way. (Then again, if it is a Choice Thunder, you get to bring in Dugtrio for his +6 of doom). Even with special defense, most of them would be hard pressed to survive against some of the ubers.
 
JSND said:
okay thsi thing might be broken in OU but not in Ubers.
Sane Uber players will never caught off guard after seeing those incos abuser and with ubers insane base stats, Its going to be hard to beat them even with boost
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Double Team Bidoof is not broken in ubers, yet we ban it regardless.

This ability causes the game to be basically decided by dice rolls, and it should be banned in all tiers. (maybe a clause that can be turned off in challenges, but mandatory on all ladders?)

Uber teams don't perform any better against a lucky Inconsistent anyway.
 
it does perform well. Why ? unlike OU ubers stats is more unmanageable. Even with boost on those rather weak pokemon by itself, uber stats handle them rather well so dice rolls is the biggest reason here.

TBH im an anti incos myself but thats me seeing most incos i face and most incos in general is using water move such as octi, making my toxicroak a gamewinner
(seriously if only toxicorak has better stats hes basically a game winner)
 
It performs just the same in Ubers (not that that should even be considered when banning this rubbish). Bibarel is a generally rubbish Pokemon without Simple and Boosts, but thanks to Inconsistent, it can set up on loads of stuff. Considering we have Pokemon like Skymin, Latis and Darkrai which are ridiculously more powerful than Bibarel, but he can still beat them.

It doesn't matter how powerful you are, if you can't hit the thing, you aren't beating it. And if it doesn't get the boosts it needs, it can switch out and try again later.
 
Lol I'm running Frustration/Waterfall on Bibarel and Surf/Toxic on Octillery on the same team, and I must say, team preview is really helping me quite a bit. They've got a Burungeru or Porygon2? Octillery it is! Do they have Suicune or Vaporeon in the rain? To Bibarel!

Also I can't emphasize enough how helpful my Erufuun lead is:
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Erufuun (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Mischievous Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Memento
- Stun Spore
- Sunny Day / Tailwind / Leech Seed / Worry Seed


So helpful in setting up that first sub. Stun Spore + Memento is a life saver for your incoming Inconsistent user. The speed is absolutely necessary to Stun Spore Voltlos before it sets up that sub. Taunt for obvious reasons. The last slot is really just filler. I personally use Sunny Day because sand makes setting up annoying when you don't get lefties recovery, and no miss Thunder sucks. They can just come back and set it up usually, so it's not too useful. Tailwind would be helpful but Stun Spore makes it irrelevant. I've never used the last move anyway. The crux of this set is just Stun Spore + Memento.
 
JSND said:
it does perform well. Why ? unlike OU ubers stats is more unmanageable. Even with boost on those rather weak pokemon by itself, uber stats handle them rather well so dice rolls is the biggest reason here.

TBH im an anti incos myself but thats me seeing most incos i face and most incos in general is using water move such as octi, making my toxicroak a gamewinner
(seriously if only toxicorak has better stats hes basically a game winner)
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Octillery uses Flamethrower! (In my opinion it is best to run a double attacking Octillery except maybe in Ubers to prevent those Water Absorbers and getting stuck at times. Surf/Energy Ball, Surf/Flamethrower, Surf/Icebeam, although Energy Ball/Flamethrower are probably best as secondary moves)

It is amazing what a second attack would do to a lot of Octillery's attempted switch ins. Manaphy/Suicune/Gastrodon get Energy Balled. Toxicroak/Erufuun/Parasect (don't laugh, he's deadly in rain) get Flamethrowered. Genies can be downed with Icebeam.

People would rarely expect a second attacking move for some reason.
And anything that survives the attacking combination should hopefully be taken out by the rest of the team before attempting or weakened instead of using willy-nilly (the bad players, who even then can still win with Inconsistent. But used properly and it is a bomb)

Don't forget Incosnsitent Smeargle in Ubers. If it passes something off, that is NOT going to be fun, especially since it might Spore, Sleep Talker (or not) comes in, Sub, Shell Break if able, Baton Pass with at least a twice or even three times Inconsistent and unless you get terrible minuses (-3 Spd, accurary or some combination or minus way too much defense like for Extremespeed unless you're immune) and boosts, it will be a nightmare. The only trouble is getting Smeargle in and outrunning something but if it happens...

Without Thunder (which a lot carry but it can happen once Kyogre is down since Latis aren't nearly so viable in Ubers anymore, and Choice Users just beg to be Dugtrio killed) if you get lucky with evasions and speed, it could work. It is a lot tougher and even more luck reliant that they don't hit you, but at the least they won't be Perish Songing, often Whirlwinding/Dragon Tailing (except maybe on Lugia/Giratina but Evasion does cause a tendency to miss). Short of Calm Mind Lugia, once Kyogre is gone, the main users of Thunder (except Choice) are pretty much gone and evasion luck could save you. Then you boost up and sweep. It is still pretty boss.

Ps. Inconsistent needs to be banned. Inconsistent Smeargle needs to especially be banned.
 
LightningLord2 said:
If Smeargle is so powerful with Inconsistent (more than any other), the first thing that's gonna happen is that Smeargle becomes Uber.
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The thing could be even too deadly in ubers because of passing. Who knows, it might be the actual first thing (well second after the temporary one on Arceus depending on what Uber match you wanted before it was released) BANNED from even Ubers.

-Hence the reason for an Inconsistent Clause across tiers, not just OU. Then they wouldn't need to worry about that and just his regular Baton Passing.
 
You cannot be banned from Ubers . . . there is no "too powerful for ubers" because we don't give a shit if Ubers is balanced or not . . .
 
Chou Toshio said:
You cannot be banned from Ubers . . . there is no "too powerful for ubers" because we don't give a shit if Ubers is balanced or not . . .
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I'm going to bet some uber players (I'm not really one of them but I'll give it a try sometime) are going to disagree with that statement. And, yeah it is because they run essentially the same clauses (-Soul Dew although Soul Dew is not available anymore so it can't be used yet anyways). Ubers do have an interesting balance to it (except when it comes to the able to be everything with 120 everything stats Arceus) and it is from what I hear, even more diverse than OU and requires much more skill (because mis-predictions are severely punished when you get hit by common 150 Stats).

And Smeargle CAN BATON PASS INCONSISTENT AND SHELL BREAK. God the horrors that would cause. ANYTHING could abuse those and with +2, 4, 6 speed and at the min +2, 4 Atk stats, with potentially boosted defenses, it will tear it apart. Inconsistent is horrible in every format.
 
Fluffy Otters said:
I'm going to bet some uber players (I'm not really one of them but I'll give it a try sometime) are going to disagree with that statement. And, yeah it is because they run essentially the same clauses (-Soul Dew although Soul Dew is not available anymore so it can't be used yet anyways). Ubers do have an interesting balance to it (except when it comes to the able to be everything with 120 everything stats Arceus) and it is from what I hear, even more diverse than OU and requires much more skill (because mis-predictions are severely punished when you get hit by common 150 Stats).

And Smeargle CAN BATON PASS INCONSISTENT AND SHELL BREAK. God the horrors that would cause. ANYTHING could abuse those and with +2, 4, 6 speed and at the min +2, 4 Atk stats, with potentially boosted defenses, it will tear it apart. Inconsistent is horrible in every format.
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Ubers isn't really a tier in that there's anything overpowered for it, because it's merely a banlist for pokemon that are overpowered in OU.
 
No Ubers players (who are any good) will agree with you, because they all play Ubers knowing what its true purpose is-- to merely be a ban list for OU.

Ubers is not an actual tier that Smogon has any interest in balancing. It is merely a ban list that people play as if it were a tier, and we have tournaments for it.
 
to think that in ubers not incos that is really broken.
Its the sweeper himself specially or specifically
GR OU MOTHER FUCKING UBER DON seriously what in the hell can beat GR OU/UBER DON WITH boost ? practically nothing seeing even ditto WITHOUT CH can have a hard time. Ice shard ? meh he have 140 defense, why bother ? Aqua jet ? lol Extremespeed ? same lol 140 Defense. And you say you have used Groudon in OU and you lost ? you dont use him well. Okay a nit off topic. What i say is Groudon is so powerful as pass recipient with Bronzong/Mewtwo screens Mew + 2 passing alone with smeargle its even worse and it happen with every set upper in uber tier. This make (for me) that
the Ubers is the one that broken seeing in OU it wouldnt suceed as easily that the "great" sweeper is countered by unreleased ditto and not as insane as Groudon (justified by the fact that groudon is the most insane set up sweeper in the game)

Uber do have balance that are not made. Uber tier are a banlist but the metagame that created when those bans is un aplied happen within its own interestingly.
Something become useful or more favored with said bans when included or not, a fact that has shown in most games with banlist
(example for yugioh games the anti meta deck changes with the deck type that benefit more in the current banlist) but were not talking bout uber were talking bout incons.

SO in a whole, YES Smeargle IS THE most broken incos user. i dont know if were assuming priority and defenses but with pass, spore, sub, and gear change in his hand, hes the only incos user that i want to be banned
 
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