Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[reklaw_vahn]

Attempted to RNG Suicune. My frame was 501. Hit 503 a few times and 493 pretty often. Eventually got it after around 50 mins. I screwed up advancing the frame though. :( And the frame was 495... took me over an hour and a half.

I think the problem might be somewhere else though... I was using Method J... should it be K? And can Synchronizers be KOed as long as they're in the first slot?

You should definitely be using method K. To help you keep track of frames make sure you use the RNGreporters function from the main screen. Click Method K and if you are using a Synchronzier click that. Then input your seed and click the generate button. That way you can just use the arrows to move from frame to frame as you call Elm. This has helped me to keep track for a while and I am sure will help you.

Also, it doesn't matter if your Synchronizer is KO'ed or not.

 

[Wulf]

I'm still having trouble getting the RNG Reporter to work on my computer. I'm using a mac, and I downloaded mono to run the Reporter. Right now I'm just trying to hatch a shiny egg. It will let me enter the nesessary information and gives me an initial seed, but once I click "ok", it seems to forget the information that I entered and won't generate new spreads. It give me the same ones every time (the ones it gave me the first time I ever entered information), and when I check it in the finder, it says that the RNG Reporter program isn't responding. ...Which is kind of weird, because usually when a program isn't responding, it doesn't respond at all, but.. Um.. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm not as computer-savvy as most of the people here...

once you find a seed you copy/paste it to the main RNG reporter and to the "seed to time" feature so that you can find a date, time, and delay, the seed finder is just that, something to find your seed with, it will not automatically place whatever seed you have found into the main page of the RNG reporter, you must do that yourself k?

 

[cannibal]

once you find a seed you copy/paste it to the main RNG reporter and to the "seed to time" feature so that you can find a date, time, and delay, the seed finder is just that, something to find your seed with, it will not automatically place whatever seed you have found into the main page of the RNG reporter, you must do that yourself k?

That's for telling me. For some reason, I thought I remembered it just automatically putting it into the main page when I used the PC version. I'm glad to see that there's an easy way to get it to work.

Thanks, and sorry for asking such a lame question. XD

 

[reklaw_vahn]

Catching Lugia...

Alright. I have successfully RNG'd two Pokemon, one perfect IVs and one shiny with good IVs. I can hit delays in the thousands as well. I'm saying this so that if you choose to answer the following question you won't have to point me to another thread for the basics.

I would like to RNG a Lugia but I have heard that you have to make the Elm calls outside the door to where Lugia is. Can someone please explain to me the process of this and if frames will advance by me walking into the cave after making the calls?

 

[Wulf]

That's for telling me. For some reason, I thought I remembered it just automatically putting it into the main page when I used the PC version. I'm glad to see that there's an easy way to get it to work.

Thanks, and sorry for asking such a lame question. XD

You are quite welcome, and remember, there is no such thing as a bad question

 

[COKTAL]

Alright. I have successfully RNG'd two Pokemon, one perfect IVs and one shiny with good IVs. I can hit delays in the thousands as well. I'm saying this so that if you choose to answer the following question you won't have to point me to another thread for the basics.

If you've abused any stationary legend, you've pretty much got the basics down. What you'll need to do is "calibrate" the starting frame. You should know what the starting frame should be (1 + number of roamers). So you save right at the entrance to Lugia's cavern (in the Whirl Islands). Do a soft reset, take note of the time you enter the game, and go straight into the lugia battle. Catch it and use the seed finder to determine the seed you hit. Press okay, then generate the Method K list(if you have synchronizer in the front of the party make sure you note that).
Find the frame of the Lugia you caught is on (you'll need to know the IVs, but knowing the nature and 1 IV should suffice for this). If the frame was (1 + # of Roamers), you'll be fine. If not, soft reset again, walk about 40 steps, then save at the door way leading into Lugia's cavern. Then you should be ready to go :)

 

[reklaw_vahn]

If you've abused any stationary legend, you've pretty much got the basics down. What you'll need to do is "calibrate" the starting frame. You should know what the starting frame should be (1 + number of roamers). So you save right at the entrance to Lugia's cavern (in the Whirl Islands). Do a soft reset, take note of the time you enter the game, and go straight into the lugia battle. Catch it and use the seed finder to determine the seed you hit. Press okay, then generate the Method K list(if you have synchronizer in the front of the party make sure you note that).
Find the frame of the Lugia you caught is on (you'll need to know the IVs, but knowing the nature and 1 IV should suffice for this). If the frame was (1 + # of Roamers), you'll be fine. If not, soft reset again, walk about 40 steps, then save at the door way leading into Lugia's cavern. Then you should be ready to go :)

Ok, I am a bit confused. All of my Roamers are knocked out currently so they won't be an issue. Let's use this as an example. Let's say I obtained my seed for Lugia and got my IVs. and the Elm responses for that particular Lugia were EKKEEPEKK. How would the (1+Roamers) fit into this?

 

[COKTAL]

Then all you'd need to do is start up the game when you are positioned right infront of the door way. As soon as you get into the game, go the shortest path possible to Lugia, catch it, use it's IVs to determine the seed. Then on the main page of RNG Reporter, set the method to K, synchronizer if you need to, then generate the list. Find out what frame you hit, and if it's 1 then you're ready to go. If not, soft reset, walk about 40 steps, then save infront of the door way again and you should be ready to go.

 

[reklaw_vahn]

Then all you'd need to do is start up the game when you are positioned right infront of the door way. As soon as you get into the game, go the shortest path possible to Lugia, catch it, use it's IVs to determine the seed. Then on the main page of RNG Reporter, set the method to K, synchronizer if you need to, then generate the list. Find out what frame you hit, and if it's 1 then you're ready to go. If not, soft reset, walk about 40 steps, then save infront of the door way again and you should be ready to go.

Sweet. I think I will have at this one after I have a go with getting a Shiny Palkia!! Thanks for the description.

 

[Wulf]

ok so I used JavaRNG to find seeds (non-shiny), however, when I input them into RNG reporter and look for the frame advancement the results are completely different, why?

EDIT: Resolved, it worked for a different seed but not the very first, I wonder why..

 

[Riski]

Does anyone have tips for changing the swarm in HGSS? I've tried changing the date and putting the clock at 23:59 and turning the game on so that the time rolls over to the next day, but the game has me stuck on luvdisc no matter what date or time I put it on.

Second question: does anyone know the starting frames of the DPPT starter pokemon?

 

[Zerofocus]

I'm trying to get IDFinder/Shinyfinder working, what are the requirements to run these programs? I have .net Framework and JRE installed already (Java Runtime)

 

[Bats]

Does anyone have tips for changing the swarm in HGSS? I've tried changing the date and putting the clock at 23:59 and turning the game on so that the time rolls over to the next day, but the game has me stuck on luvdisc no matter what date or time I put it on.

Second question: does anyone know the starting frames of the DPPT starter pokemon?

As for your first question, make sure you save after the time rolls over to the next day, THEN repeat the process. That way the swarm will actually change :)

 

[Shining Kestral]

I'm currently learning how to RNG on my SS game, and I've got a question about Sweet Scent:

When using Sweet Scent to encounter a wild Pokémon, (which should be my target mon if I'm reading RNG Reporter correctly) when should I use the move? On my target frame or a certain number of frames before it?

 

[COKTAL]

@Shinig Kestral: If you are using Elm calls to determine where you are at, you will want to use it after you get the response for 2 before your target (so if your target is frame 72, stop the elm calls once the order does the 70th call). Hope that made sense, but I don't know how to explain it too well.

 

[uberjynx]

i got really lucky and hit my delay for IVs on a shiny egg the first time! w00t!

so what should i do next, Gengar, Spiritomb, or Miltank?

 

[qcom]

Hi all, I'm sorry for the n00by question, but I was trying to RNG abuse a year or ago, back in Platinum.

I came back today to check if there was any new methods discovered for HG/SS because last time I looked, it looked as though the RNG advanced differently for HG/SS.

I then stumbled upon this quote from Mingot's original post of this thread:

"The 4th Generation RNG, or Random Number Generator, is not quite as broken as Emerald's, but can be exploited by patient people." This is eluding to the fact that Emerald's RNG is much easier to abuse, correct?

Well, I stumbled my way over to the guides regarding Emerald RNG, and I have a plan of sorts and was wondering if it was a good one.

I would like to raise a bunch of Dittos that have some really good IVs.

So, I'd like to find an adamant Ditto with flawless IVs in everything except SAtk. And a modest Ditto with flawless IVs in everything except Atk.

I could then try to breed these Dittos with a pokemon of my choice, such as Tyranitar. Trying out the breeding IV methods in Emerald to make Tyranitar have some very good IVs from it's one Ditto parent, then replacing the newly hatched Tyranitar with that same Ditto over and over again until I get a flawless Tyranitar.

Sorry for the rant, I was wondering, how much easier is RNG abusing in Emerald vs Platinum?

 

[nevada11]

(In regards to RNG abusing for egg IVs)

I am absolutely positive no NPC's moved, but when verifying my save frame, I got the following results: 5, 5, 5, 6

I am sure all 4 times no NPC's moved, so for some reason, my save frame moved, and it happens ALL the time & I have to save again and verify a new save frame. Is it possible I can still go to the time finder, use 5 as my save frame and maybe I'll get the desired seed of my choosing?

For instance, an example being that I choose a save frame of 5 and the seed I want to hit for perfect IVs has a frame of 15. I can obviously try to hit that seed with the journal flips from 5 --> 15 (5,7,9,etc) and if I hit my delay, I hit the seed I want with the IVs I want? OR because of the fact when verifying my save frame and it was not consistently 5, I will NEVER hit the seed I want regardless if I choose a save frame of 5 or 6 when moving the journal flips to hit my time frame

 

[Rocket Boss Giovanni]

Could someone please PM me with instructions on how to RNG for Method 1 in HG/SS? I am confused on how to do that and I would like a shiny flawless Latios. Thanks =) I have a basic understanding of the RNG (I've done a few eggs now) so it doesn't have to be brain-dead simple.

 

[pielover12321]

Hey, would it be possible for me to get a tutor for RNG'ing because I really want to learn but don't understand a thing about it. :\

 

[CPrime]

I was wondering, how much easier is RNG abusing in Emerald vs Platinum?

Emerald RNG makes you want to break lots of things.

 

[qcom]

Emerald RNG makes you want to break lots of things.

Really? Why is did Mingot say it was easier to abuse then?

 

[Rocket Boss Giovanni]

Really? Why is did Mingot say it was easier to abuse then?

Only having heard about RNGing in Emerald, 4th Gen cartridges are easier because it is a lot simpler to sync the DS clock than it is with a stopwatch required with Emerald. In 4th gen, you have to be as accurate as the second (with the correct delay), but in Emerald you have to be accurate to the hundredth of a second (with also the correct delay).

 

[Shining Kestral]

@Shinig Kestral: If you are using Elm calls to determine where you are at, you will want to use it after you get the response for 2 before your target (so if your target is frame 72, stop the elm calls once the order does the 70th call). Hope that made sense, but I don't know how to explain it too well.

I understand what you're saying, thanks for the help!

 

[qcom]

Only having heard about RNGing in Emerald, 4th Gen cartridges are easier because it is a lot simpler to sync the DS clock than it is with a stopwatch required with Emerald. In 4th gen, you have to be as accurate as the second (with the correct delay), but in Emerald you have to be accurate to the hundredth of a second (with also the correct delay).

Oi, alright then, I guess I'll stick to DPPt then! xD