I think it's the Encore nerf that's been resulting in less Wobbs. I haven't really played with or seen him but from what I've heard there's not enough time to do what you must with encore. I've also only seen one Deoxys-D so I can't say much about that, perhaps people find Deoxys-S more useful in a metagame swarming with Scizors and Ttars?
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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 3 - So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
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Wobb has been really hurt by the Encore nerf, Mew is kind of outclassed in each of its many roles, and Deo-D has deceptively mediocre defenses
While I wouldn't call it a Suspect and I've only been playing two days and I'm not very good, I've found both Xatu and a good old fashion Offensive SubSeed Breelom to be extremely helpful right now. Xatu can come in against all kinds of defensive Pokemon, block their shit with Magic Mirror and throw around Toxic/T-Wave or throw up a Reflect and take some good physical hits when EV'd, too. And Breloom still rips and tears through unprepared teams, but as usual it's a great way to pressure the opponent because they can't really lose their check/counter too it. Gliscor makes it a sad, though, but it can still Seed it and switch up if it's behind a Sub.
Wobb - Still great but no pokemon have real ability to abuse his support.
Mew - Taunt, Will o wisp is the set i found back in round 2 and it is the best set fro mew, in fact it is so great if used right and believe me Taunt Wow set is REALLY easy to use and his 4th moveslot is open to many move choice
Deoxys-D despite actual lackluster defenses, dont underestimate this thing. Taunt Knock off is possible his best bet. it is the bane of non Ghost defensive pokemon you will ever face. Pressure + Recover basicaly make him very beastly.
And yeah i actualy use them. Deo-D and Mew is my most used poke back in stage 2
Mew - Taunt, Will o wisp is the set i found back in round 2 and it is the best set fro mew, in fact it is so great if used right and believe me Taunt Wow set is REALLY easy to use and his 4th moveslot is open to many move choice
Deoxys-D despite actual lackluster defenses, dont underestimate this thing. Taunt Knock off is possible his best bet. it is the bane of non Ghost defensive pokemon you will ever face. Pressure + Recover basicaly make him very beastly.
And yeah i actualy use them. Deo-D and Mew is my most used poke back in stage 2
Mew is dangerous, especially with its Taunt WoW set, but it's far from broken. I've only fought a handful of Deoxys-D, and based on its performance, I'm thoroughly convinced it should never have been uber in any generation. As for Wobbuffet, it's been a slight annoyance, but nothing more. Although I'm probably not the best person to judge Wobbuffet's effectiveness when four of the Pokemon on my team can break Shadow Tag through various means.
Wobbs is good for handling weather team threats, picking off Choiced pokemon, and letting his user obtain that free turn they may need for easy setup.
Well, he's only partially good against weather threats. Hippo becomes set up bait, but Tyranitar will just spam fire blast while Tales and non scarfed Toed will status you.
Well, he's only partially good against weather threats. Hippo becomes set up bait, but Tyranitar will just spam fire blast while Tales and non scarfed Toed will status you.
well you could also say they are incredibly weak to Scarf Tyranitar, but that still doesn't make it competitively viable or an option to the common player
Aero still has effectively no SpD, even in Sandstorm, is weak to stealth rock, and can be revenged incredibly easily. Also, it just doesn't do enough damage against pokes it hits only neutrally
When I first started this meta I ran Aero as my lead, mainly because thats what I ran in Gen 4 consistently (I swapped around between him and Machamp, and sometimes Crobat). Hes just so effective its hard to pass him up.
I found often that I could cause rage quits with in the first few turns running Aero, using taunt, stealth rocking, and getting a kill, and still hitting hard on whatever they send in next. He gets ruined by priority but he still does his job fine. I have had games where my Aero got rocks up, stopped the opponents lead from setting up, and still got 2 kills in due to flinch hax.
Im sure this is basically old news for someone who ever used an Aero lead, or even faced one... but I still am surprised by how successful he really can be.
I found often that I could cause rage quits with in the first few turns running Aero, using taunt, stealth rocking, and getting a kill, and still hitting hard on whatever they send in next. He gets ruined by priority but he still does his job fine. I have had games where my Aero got rocks up, stopped the opponents lead from setting up, and still got 2 kills in due to flinch hax.
Im sure this is basically old news for someone who ever used an Aero lead, or even faced one... but I still am surprised by how successful he really can be.
I don't understand why you would ever use Aero over Deo-S, which has far higher speed, access to SR AND Spikes, can use Magic Coat, and can use Extremespeed or Psycho Boost
Well actually I (personally) kind of hate using any legendary with the exception of a few. But this is definitely a very viable point. I guess the only reason why is ground immunity and a little higher attack which may net more kills, although the damage out put isnt THAT much higher.
You forget the part where Pokes even up ScarfGarchomp can't revenge D-S -_-
I'm actually surprised that I haven't seen very many Deoxys-S, really. Even today I kept running into Dual Screen variants. Not that those are bad, but the mixed attacker seems to be really good in this environment. I also ran into a game where a +2 Gorebyss failed to KO Conkeldurr, if anyone's still lamenting about that.
Well i bet gorebyss unboosted surf wont 2HKO conkeldurr and thats very normal.
From my experience using Deo-S mixed it is good able to revenge many threats but :
However in this extremely bulky metagame 95 attack in both side just doesnt seems to be enough. Not to mention Dory still outspeed you.
From my experience using Deo-S mixed it is good able to revenge many threats but :
However in this extremely bulky metagame 95 attack in both side just doesnt seems to be enough. Not to mention Dory still outspeed you.
Doesn't outspeed Choice Scarf Deoxys-S which has a chance to KO Dory with Superpower if it has 252Attack :naughty:
But why would you use scarf deo-S with full physical spread ?
Using that in this meta is very very risky.
Its like dory is not the only things you need to beat. And even if you can revenge pretty much everything, deoxys-S still has that dissapointing 95 attacks that need to break through gen 5 Heavy Bulky Metagame.
Along with being useful against speciffic things, it need to be able to be used compretitively reliable and give consistent great result(which deoxys scarf-s really lacking)
Using that in this meta is very very risky.
Its like dory is not the only things you need to beat. And even if you can revenge pretty much everything, deoxys-S still has that dissapointing 95 attacks that need to break through gen 5 Heavy Bulky Metagame.
Along with being useful against speciffic things, it need to be able to be used compretitively reliable and give consistent great result(which deoxys scarf-s really lacking)
The bigger question is why would you ever use a scarf Deo-S?
The problem is even when you can sent it on dory, your opp dory will be wondering why you send deo-s making it very predictable.
Also as i said the bulk creep in gen 5 is so insane. Basicaly everythingthat is good in gen 5 must hit hard or moderate hard but have one side insane bulk or all around great bulk
and a fragile sweepr must be blazing fast and semi bulky at least(read : Latios, Roob, virizion, terakion, Doryuzu)
Also as i said the bulk creep in gen 5 is so insane. Basicaly everythingthat is good in gen 5 must hit hard or moderate hard but have one side insane bulk or all around great bulk
and a fragile sweepr must be blazing fast and semi bulky at least(read : Latios, Roob, virizion, terakion, Doryuzu)
I think it's funny how these statements about "a bulky meta" are being used now, when it really isn't the case at all. People have been referring to this generation as one of huge power, huge speed, and now, apparently, huge defensive threats. Such is not the case. The only defensive pokes commonly used in this meta are Ferrothorn, Jellicent, and maybe Quagsire. The meta isn't really that bulky, you can just toss these descriptions on it and assume they are correct.
The 5th gen metagame has brought with it a plentora of new bulky threats with it as well as new bulky abilities and items. To name a few pokemon that can abuse their bulk as new threats or old threats with new options, Evo stone Porygon-2, Regenerator Slowbro, Reuniclus, Multiscale Dragonite, Ferothorn, Scrafty, and Conkel"durp" to name a few. This metagame is much more bulky oriented than last gen.
There have always been bulky attackers and defensive threats, but things like Slowbro, Porygon2, and Scrafty are not common in any sense of the word. And Dragonite can be easily killed by Deo-S as long as SR is up, which isn't too much of an undertaking
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