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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)

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People don't use scald or lava plume for burn hax?

Morning sun is alot better. If you can't spin away the SR, morning sun can save Volcarona so many times. It survives Rotom's hydro pump after SR in the sun, so with morning sun thats another free setup for Volcarona. Also bold Volcarona in the sun is probably the most deadly pokemon in OU. (not talking about broken or any of that crap) Without using a choice scarf, only Terrakion can really check it well offensively. Stuff like Bliss / Jelli can still toxic against non rest / sub versions. Dragonite doesn't even 3HKO with LO extremespeed and gets 2HKOd by +1 fiery dance in the sun after SR. It also sets up on like more than half of OU. So stay in 1 turn and try and damage it, find you can't, and boom you are swept.
 
I've seen Pikachu's Static work through Substitute, and I know Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs work through Substitute. I've used Flame Body Chandelure recently, and I'm pretty sure I've burned a Tyranitar using Crunch too. The main site also says that all abilities aside from Intimidate completely ignore Substitute, so it's a pretty safe bet the ability still works through the sub, even if it's illogical.
 
Holy crap, what? I guess I shouldn't have expected this game to make even a bit of sense.

...Makes me want to use flame body on sublure now.
 
Yeah, I'm shocked too.

if Volcarona could run a mono attacking set effectively, Sub + Morning Sun would make it a bitch to take down
 
It can't though... Even with two attacks it is still walled by alot of things. Though really Volcarona in the sun is so powerful you can run stuff like fire blast to have a shot at OHKOing Dragonite after SR. It's just a complete beast.
 
Rain sweeper gyarados seems cool which set is best for sweeping scarf moxie, band or dragon dance moxie?

Also are there any solid stops or counters to Rotom-w on a rain team outside of ferrothorn?
 
Rotom-C 4x resists Volt Switch, resists Hydro Pump and can Leaf Storm the blue washer for a KO. Good for Gastrodon too.
 
Thunder Wave Gyarados seems like an interesting idea now. Most Ground-types aren't going to be switching into Gyarados regardless, you can hit something like Rotom-w that comes in to KO you with Scarf (or just slow it down completely if it's Defensive), and it hits all the important Dragons.
 
Razza said:
Rain sweeper gyarados seems cool which set is best for sweeping scarf moxie, band or dragon dance moxie?

Also are there any solid stops or counters to Rotom-w on a rain team outside of ferrothorn?
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Rotom-C, Virizion, Celebi, Gastrodon, Lati@s seem to be the most useful checks to it at the moment.
 
Not sure if this has been brought up before, but what do guys think about the sun + dragons combo? Basically instead of using Magnezone, you eliminate steels using sun boosted fire attacks to so your dragons can sweep. Here's an example team.

I thinks it's pretty sweet, especially since more players are running Shed Shell on their steels. I threw a random one together today and it plays really nicely.
 
That's about it. He is a decent special tank with either a water or electric immunity on top of it, and can spread paralysis (it has access to Ice Beam over HP Ice, as well).

Rotom-W's speed and Levitate are far more useful, however.
 
I used Lanturn a little, and he did a decent job of checking Rotom-W and Thundurus, but I think he's outclassed by Gastrodon in those particular roles and by Rotom-W in the role of a bulky Water/Electric type.

Water/Electric with Volt Absorb is fantastic typing for a special wall though.

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Yeah, Rotom C definately is a great counter to Wash form. If you give him sp def ev's I think even an hp fire won't be that threatening.
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252 SAtk Modest Rotom-W HP: Fire (neutral weather) against 252 HP/252 SDef Calm Rotom-C = 32.89% - 38.82%.

3HKOs
 
yeah there was this post way back in the netherworld about how if you had a pokemon resistant to fire, electric, ice, and water, there wasn't a special attack in the world that could kill you. Too bad that was during gen IV after Latias was banned.
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but scarf hydreigon is boss. As a late game sweeper, you make sure all pokemon are at least neutral to one of it's moves and you spam that with a modest nature, maxed out sp attack, and hopefully STAB move. Nuff said.
 
Lanturn makes a good cleric on rain teams with heal bell. A boosted hydro pump and 100% accurate thunder isn't anything to sneeze at either. Don't be so quick to throw Lanturn in the trash.
 
lanturn basically fills gastro's purpose just with different typing; he's not like rotom-w really. having hpump is really cool too because scald's 30% chance sucks
oh and he doesn't die against gk thundurus which lures in gastro so amazingly

running gk thundurus and rotom-w is quite an amazing combo
 
I think the key with Lanturn is to make sure you aren't trying to do something that either Gastrodon or Rotom-W does better. If he's just there to check Rotom-W and Thundurus then do yourself a favor and switch to Gastrodon, likewise if you're just trying to be a bulky water/electric. The Heal Bell set and the like are what set Lanturn apart, and thus should be Lanturn's main options.

Also, he is definitely more attractive than Rotom-W and Gastrodon combined.
 
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