Okay Tab,
Please strave off insinuating that my methods of conducting
analysis on Shaymin-S are insufficiant or irrelevent. I am
working with the preformance of the Suspect so naturally I
must work with all of the factors.
Please do not erronously assume that a Suspects ability is
not a huge factor in determining a Suspects preformance.
When you talk of the subseed set and how it takes out
Blissey you are theorymoning like I was too :P. I assume
you are refering to the FlareSlashSub. But I would agree
the most optimal subseed Shaymin-s set would have protect
and airslash,to make use of it's ability and speed. Both of
which would play a huge part in determining the outcome of
a conflict with Shaymin-s. Personally, I prefer the
offensive sets as being more menacing to OU enviroment.
It is also erronous to assume, that, SubShaymin can only
and in poor form (serene grace) massacre team's that are
not well built. This is an absolute myth when factoring in
Shaymin-s ability, and speed, signature move, and 120 base
special attack.
Hypothetical 1:
Platinum introduces 10% accuracy drop on the Hypnosis move. Suddenly, Bronzong uses it less, Gengar needs a Sub to
safely use it, Yanmega useage goes down even further, and wide lense is just plain redundant. This is only a minor 1/10 change equal to a
hax, yet it has dramatically effected the usage of the move. Using
Hypnosis on anything that is not bulky or resistant to the opposing pokemon is now considered risky.
Now everyone please ask youself this
Question:
Do I, (state alias) truley believe the OU Meta would get along better
with Skymin in it?
Really ask yourself that...
Anyone of these 3 suspects has the potential to bask in the
same usage that Scizor and Garchomp once shared. Knowing
this, we can already assume that each one of these Suspects would probably make top 5. Which would increase Scizor usage further while blatently increasing centralization based on previous usage of Garchomp and current Scizor in Standard. The integrity of the Suspect Process is one that eliminates Suspects from OU based on both usage and preformance.
I can only stress that these introductions to OU will only serve to make teams incredibly
vauge and reprocessed. Variety should be encouraged. If 2 whole suspects ( Chomp, Sky or
Laitos ) protrude into ou, It will be a whole new level of centralization. Because they can obviously rise very high in usage. The same is true if even a single one of these prominent Suspects makes it into OU albeit, to a lesser degree. But to let any of these Suspects back into OU , with Latios being the least troublesome
IMO (that's saying alot) would be catastrophic.
JFK says: And while that may not be, a veterans shoe to fill, to care
about the cry of your n00b bretheren, I can gauruntee with utmost conviction and certainty, that this gracious act of generosity, displayed by you the suspect voter. will not be forgotten nor go unpaid. Should you choose to agree, that Skymin and Garchomp, both increase and amplify the rate of game determining factors. And choose to remove them from OU once again. Preferabley perminantly until or after the introduction of 5th Generation.
For all that are hating on Skymin because of hax, I find Garchomp to be much worse. SubSeed Skymin is not threatening to most stall teams..
Thanks for letting me use your quote as an example^
Based on collective data of Skymin's preformance; It is not out of the ballpark, at this point, to deem that
Shaymin-s requires the least margin of actual "
skill,
technique" to use when adding in all of Skymin's statistical factors.
In My Opinion,
This game needs to retain it's competitive composure as much as it possibley can, which can only be achieved if
we, when presented with an opportunity to amplify luck factors that lead to determining the outcome of a match, oblige to decline knowing that a competitive game is exalted based on how the game integrates
"Skill/Tech" as it's core nature for self-preservation in the game.
The banning of Skymin was close. Garchomp i cannot recall correctly. Yes Scizor and Latias have been introduced (born again/out of the closet Scizor) And yes technique and understanding has grown steadily.
But that doesn't matter. Because Scizor will not always be there to save you. Neither will Life Orb Lucario. And Latias can miss in sandstorm which in some cases unfairly ends the match prematurely. Using Crobat and Dragonite and Regice is not practical in OU for many people. Aiy, that be me.
Sorry Caleum. It seems ye were intent on waiting to have the main course discussion of the Suspects after more testing and time spent in the ladder by those participating. But it feels like it's been about a week of playing suspect, and standard OU is my main game on SU. Your question had me scratching my head for a little while, but then I reasoned that "logically Stage 3 will take precident over previous bans on account of, it isthe current Suspect Test xD" So when you asked to take into consideration about the status of previous suspects that were banned I sort of realized how much they would affect the already
well balanced Standard OU tier in terms of usage. I will not make anymore comments in this thread for a long time. This is just my outreach to people that really want the best for the OU Meta, and don't just wanna exploit it so that they can use pawns that are truely overpowered in the universal standard game. But I will strave away from posting in this discussion further. I do not want to interrupt it's course.
Challege: Skymin has just pulled into a sub, and your pokemon just fainted. You have 5 left. How do you counter this?
Future OU Top 5
My prediction would be that Scizor would reach 40% usage out of everyones team. And we couldn't ban it because it would keep Latios, Skymin, Chomp in check.
