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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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Okay HP grass [should be ice] is copy @ paste from UU.
Focus blast is really for coverage but eh. It can removed for encore, allowing Raichu to set up.
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Boltbeam {HP ice}
Also yeah, often times there is 0 reason to use most Raichu due to Electabuzz {stupidly} having better stats in everything but attack.
Glad to see people recognizing Raichu as a threat.
[he can also surpringly run support sets using Wish/T-bolt/Encore/HP etc
IMO he is the best Electric type in the tier.
Focus blast is really for coverage but eh. It can removed for encore, allowing Raichu to set up.
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Boltbeam {HP ice}
Also yeah, often times there is 0 reason to use most Raichu due to Electabuzz {stupidly} having better stats in everything but attack.
Troll less Gamefreak
Glad to see people recognizing Raichu as a threat.
[he can also surpringly run support sets using Wish/T-bolt/Encore/HP etc
IMO he is the best Electric type in the tier.
Oh you/10
All joking aside Raichu reighns supreme when it comes to Electric types.
Raichu>Manetric>Luxray>Electabuzz>>>Pikachu.
Luxray is alright I guess, but resorting to physical walling? How sad.
Magmortar as the best become in the whole tier? Most likely.
I wouldn't say Raichu is that supreme above the others. Ampharos has very good support moves and in a TrickRoom team it could go offensive and raise a bit of hell.
All the electric pokemon (except for Pikachu who is just pitiful) have their uses in NU. I use Manectric as no more than a trick scarfer. Luxray has the opportunity to be good, but its missing out on some key moves that put it into greatness. Electabuzz is good too, but really it can only run moves similar to its older brother so thats about it. Ampharos is good, (WHY AMPHAROS NO HAVE WOOL!?) but offensively speaking, its rather outclassed by everything in the tier (except for maybe SpecsAmphy), imo its uses are best served as a dual screener/supporter type pokemon.
As a sweeper, Ampharos is below Pikachu outside of Trick Room. Electabuzz's Defense is low, and in a tier where Sucker Punching Skuntank reigns, that's really quite bad.
Manectric is better than Raichu, IMO, because of Flamethrower. But, this is only comparing non-boosting sets, since Manectric's only option is the unreliable Charge Beam.
When it comes to boosting Electric-type sweepers, Raichu wins. Mostly because of lack of competition.
Apples and oranges.
Manectric is better than Raichu, IMO, because of Flamethrower. But, this is only comparing non-boosting sets, since Manectric's only option is the unreliable Charge Beam.
When it comes to boosting Electric-type sweepers, Raichu wins. Mostly because of lack of competition.
Apples and oranges.
Ampharos is the HARD hitting one with Specs (and that any Ampharos will be Modest natured). Also the only bulky one down here(Luxray too).
Ampharos is:
1- a Specs hard hitting poke
2-bulky status spreader/supporter.
Manectric is just like Jolteon: fast and hard hitting. Normally seen with Specs.
Raichu is the sweeper. Has a nice movepool. And can go physical.
Pikachu hits hard, but kind of sucks.
Electabuzz IMO is outclassed by Manectric on the special side, and Raichu from the physical side.
Luxray has the best mixed stats, so go for it. Also it's bulky with Intimidate.
Magneton has nice resists and Explosion when needed.
Electrode is FAST. You can even try a Charge Beam Electrode with a Modest nature and still outspeed everything without Scarf.
The only other plausible choice is Plusle, because of Plot Passing.
Ampharos is:
1- a Specs hard hitting poke
2-bulky status spreader/supporter.
Manectric is just like Jolteon: fast and hard hitting. Normally seen with Specs.
Raichu is the sweeper. Has a nice movepool. And can go physical.
Pikachu hits hard, but kind of sucks.
Electabuzz IMO is outclassed by Manectric on the special side, and Raichu from the physical side.
Luxray has the best mixed stats, so go for it. Also it's bulky with Intimidate.
Magneton has nice resists and Explosion when needed.
Electrode is FAST. You can even try a Charge Beam Electrode with a Modest nature and still outspeed everything without Scarf.
The only other plausible choice is Plusle, because of Plot Passing.
That actually makes sense...but it's a bit slow to pull it off...
It'll still be cool to see a TailGlow Ampharos.
I've just got to say that I respect every single one of you.
And I thought I was going to have a silly debate about which pokemon is better.
Yeah I agree, Luxray's moveset is a joke. Thunder Fang as it's strongest Electric STAB move? Pitiful.
Electabuzz is best used as a Mixed sweeper.
(Manetric pulls off the specs set the best due to Switcheroo and Flamethrower/Overheat.)
Ampharos in theory can pull off a powerful Specs set, but it's utter lack of speed is really a shame.
A win is a win. :P.
Raichu and Manetric are both excellent pokemon to use in NU, and I agree they are similar to Apples and Oranges... So use them people!
A nice summary and rundown of Electric pokemon. Thanks M-blade.
And I thought I was going to have a silly debate about which pokemon is better.
Yeah I agree, Luxray's moveset is a joke. Thunder Fang as it's strongest Electric STAB move? Pitiful.
Electabuzz is best used as a Mixed sweeper.
(Manetric pulls off the specs set the best due to Switcheroo and Flamethrower/Overheat.)
Ampharos in theory can pull off a powerful Specs set, but it's utter lack of speed is really a shame.
A win is a win. :P.
Raichu and Manetric are both excellent pokemon to use in NU, and I agree they are similar to Apples and Oranges... So use them people!
A nice summary and rundown of Electric pokemon. Thanks M-blade.
Gen 5 NEEDS to boost Eletric types. A good amount of them are NU, so I think stat boosts/movepool adjustments are in order. IE: Increase Raichu's stats, give E-buzz Calm Mind etc)
Magneton is good. I bet if Magnezone didn't exist, Magneton would be OU for his ability to trap and take on all the other Steels.
^ I think Life Orb Charge Beam Manectric should be getting a bit more credit - You already are doing more power than Specs with one Charge Beam boost (which I wouldn't call unreliable, 90% accuracy with 50% chance of boost means you have a 45% chance of raising your Special Attack power past Choice Specs every time you select Charge Beam) which I wouldn't say is impossible to do. Not only can Manectric bluff choice items / Switcheroo to force switches but Charge Beam is certainly strong enough by itself to revenge kill many Pokemon.
With Flamethrower, Hidden Power, and Thunderbolt, Manectric is looking at the total package of "Special Sweeping Electric-type in NU". Great Speed, Special Attack, and movepool. I think it should be given more credit as a NU threat when it comes to Electric-types and not brushed aside as a more viable "Tricker". Obviously this wasn't the point of what you are saying, but I get the feel that Manectric is just used as that sweeper much more often.
With Flamethrower, Hidden Power, and Thunderbolt, Manectric is looking at the total package of "Special Sweeping Electric-type in NU". Great Speed, Special Attack, and movepool. I think it should be given more credit as a NU threat when it comes to Electric-types and not brushed aside as a more viable "Tricker". Obviously this wasn't the point of what you are saying, but I get the feel that Manectric is just used as that sweeper much more often.
Charge beam is a wasted moveslot on Manetric in my opinion. You give up coverage for a *decent* chance of boosting your special attack, and you need to forgot that often times, your opponent isn't going to let you outright sweep. They'll switch into a counter that will force you out. He isn't bulky like Cress to just sit there and tank shots will boosting to the max, and cannot afford to waste a moveslot on Charge beam. And your basically turning Manetric into a somewhat worse Nasty plot Raichu with Flamethrower.
The immediate power provided by Specs is quite useful, in which you can dent switch in's and cripple next to anything with a specs boosted T-bolt. Switchroo is the icing on the cake, completely and utterly DESTROYING walls that would outright wall you. (Munchlax, Miltank, Regigigas etc)
Now the reason Raichu can pull this off, is that often time his Special boost sky rockets, and he can effectively pick of a good amount of NU's metagame with a 2+ move of choice.
Charge beam isn't very good in my opinion. (Unless you run sub like Rotom, and Rotom can potentially pull of Sub charge due to it's typing and moveset or something that can sit there and boost up it's stats.)
To be fair, I may HAVE brushed it aside for the Raichu hype, but I acknowledge that it's a powerful threat in NU... just not as a Charge beam user.
I think Magneton is the best Electric-type in NU. It has the strongest Electric atttacks for starters (stronger than Raikou's), a whopping 13 resistances, an awesome ability and Explosion! What's not to like?
It's somewhat below average speed and frailness for one. But yeah, I've never even used it to be honest. So it may even BE better than Raichu. (I need more testing though)
It seems so though on paper.
Edit: It's ability is useless in NU. The only steel type worth mentioning is opposing Magneton and...Mawhile.
Magneton is excellent when it runs a similar spread to the Choice Scarf Magnezone that's used in OU. As Magneton's even faster than Magnezone, it reaches even greater heights with a Scarf.
Magnet Pull isn't as useful in NU as it is in higher tiers, but it does catch Bastiodon, opposing Magneton, Mawile, and Wormadam-S (Lol) off guard in the oft chance they're used. Magneton's real use comes from its impressive Special Attack and Speed when you throw a Scarf on it, with a solid move in Thunderbolt for beating much of NU and STAB Flash Cannon, it's certainly a threat.
Magnet Pull isn't as useful in NU as it is in higher tiers, but it does catch Bastiodon, opposing Magneton, Mawile, and Wormadam-S (Lol) off guard in the oft chance they're used. Magneton's real use comes from its impressive Special Attack and Speed when you throw a Scarf on it, with a solid move in Thunderbolt for beating much of NU and STAB Flash Cannon, it's certainly a threat.
Hmm. A Choice Scarf set could be pretty powerful. Fast and Strong enough to pull it off.
I guess I need to re-change my Electric tiers.
Magneton>=Raichu and Manetric>Electabuzz>Ampharos>Luxray>Lolchu
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