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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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Just wondering if you saw me using it? :3
Cause I have been using RD for like a few weeks now, and it really does rape stuff. Just glad people are seeing how good it actually is.
grassknot>hp grass.Also if that raichu becomes more popular than whats stopping people from adjusting their teams to include a grass type? It not being popular now doesent mean that it cant in the future.
Because NU's Grass-types are generally terrible?
Walrein is incredible because it's one of the most viable pokemon that resists both Fire and Water (Quagsire's 4x Grass weakness and awful SpD kinda disbar it from this discussion). It's an incredible check to Rain and 'let's rampage with Fire-types'.
Walrein is incredible because it's one of the most viable pokemon that resists both Fire and Water (Quagsire's 4x Grass weakness and awful SpD kinda disbar it from this discussion). It's an incredible check to Rain and 'let's rampage with Fire-types'.
There is nothing terrible about meganium, jumpluff and exeggutor apart from all the charizards and magmortars around.
However meganium can eq magmortar on the switch, jumpluff can uturn on a predicted switch to rack up entry hazard damage or use sleep powder/stun spore while exeggutor too can spread powders but it can also use psychic which with sr and a neutral nature (will always ko with modest even with no ev investment) and 128 sp attack evs exeggutor can deal a minimum of 50.5% to charizard which ko's with sr.
Also why all the random defensive walrein love? Gastrodon has recover and a very similar special defense stat, aswell as an immunity to tbolt. Also remember that with a rindo berry it can withstand a hp grass from mag and charizard and ko back with waterfall/stonedge/eq.
So Gastrodon is basically a Walrein that is immune to T-Bolt and resistant to SR, but which doesn't get Leftovers or Encore? Gastrodon also doesn't resist Water, which is crucial with the Rain teams around right now. One of the best reasons to include that Walrein is for a solid Water resist - most of NU's Water resists are weak to Fire and/or frail.
My Walrein is using a spread of 240 HP/36 Def/76 SpA/156 SpD/4 Spe. The HP optimises for Lefties and Rocks. The SpD allows you to survive a Life Orb Thunderbolt from Magmortar with Rocks down, or a Fire Blast + Thunderbolt without them. The SpA investment ensures a KO on Magmortar with Surf after Stealth Rock damage, also giving you a reasonable chance to take it down after two Life Orb recoils. 4 EVs in Speed let you outrun Sandslash and other Walrein. The rest is dumped in defense.
And that it doesn't get screwed over by Trick thanks to Sticky Hold.
Most stuff in NU isn't very heavy. I think. That's just a random guess, really.
Magmortar, Charizard, Typhlosion, and Ninetales.
Doesn't seem like it. It's a passing power set. But I'm going to be honest
(BACK OFF LEMANNNNN)
Grass Types in NU don't impress. Meganium isn't that much a necessity wall due to the lack of waters. Vileplume is pretty decent on stall teams...
That's it. Eggscutor is basically the best grass type (and only) viable grass type.
That too.
Oh yeah, and I totally support the Walrein love (nice set Ice Eyes)
It's a fucking mammoth of a bulky water and a necessity on most teams (imo)
Gotta run that spinner for Magmortar lawl.
Raichu sucks, use Manetric. :)
Cradily, and Snover are pretty popular. Cacturne, Shiftry and Victreebel show up every now and again too. But for the most part, there aren't that common. I'm pretty sure that the Fire types that use HP Grass/EnergyBall are more common than Grass types.
Oh you. :D
Damn straight. It's a refreshing breath of fresh air as a opposed to the grassy UU metagame.
Since everybody is doing it, I figure I'll give rain a go. (A kin to Silent Verse's amazing rain dance team)
some minor tweaks but of course, *yours truly* will get a spot.
I was using Specs Eggy last format, and it was incredibly good, but part of its brilliance was being able to get in for free each and every time the opponent sent out Slowking, before tearing a large hole in something with Leaf Storm. Without that wealth of free switch-ins, I'm not sure how good it can be.
Hey, I'm going to start playing NU again, but what are some pokemon that are really popular with the tier changes? I was thinking of using Specs Nidoqueen for shits and giggles, still working on an EV spread. But more importantly, what stuff is good? (Don't say Magmortar, because I know that already)
Good luck on that. Make sure you post the spread kind sir.
Basically as follows:
Ninetails is a monster of a sweeper
Walrein is a water staple
Specs Eggy rapes shit
Electric types (well imo) dominate this metagame
Magmortar with EQ is a bitch
Flareon is a nice Fire Counter/check (maggy with Focus Blast only...)
Qwilfish is a great spiker
Rain Dance teams are very good
Floatzel is freaking amazing
Skuntank is dying down. (Good riddance)
You've still got Walrein. (neat story, I bet you caught like 20 Skuntanks)
Edit: Yeah don't mind me talking about Skuntank. Just reeeeeeeeally hate that mother fucker.
It's good offensive check to those pokemon so that's good.
And gosh people, If you want to 100% stop Chesto Rest Driflblim run an encore user.
Aside from the obvious? SpD Encore Walrein is awesome. ChestoRest Drifblim is scary if you're not prepared. Ninetales is an incredible way to check Fire-types while still remaining offensive.
I really am having a hard time stopping myself throwing Skuntank on every team I build. It's just invaluable having that layer of insurance against most sweepers as well as a check/counter to Drifblim, Haunter, Espeon etc. The bottom line is that, between Sucker Punch, Pursuit and Explosion, it often gets two kills and almost guarantees one. It really is that good.
EDIT: I hate Smogon snipers more than those on COD. Yes, Eggy can switch in on Walrein, but it hates taking Toxic whereas it didn't really care about Slowking's Thunder Wave.
I really am having a hard time stopping myself throwing Skuntank on every team I build. It's just invaluable having that layer of insurance against most sweepers as well as a check/counter to Drifblim, Haunter, Espeon etc. The bottom line is that, between Sucker Punch, Pursuit and Explosion, it often gets two kills and almost guarantees one. It really is that good.
EDIT: I hate Smogon snipers more than those on COD. Yes, Eggy can switch in on Walrein, but it hates taking Toxic whereas it didn't really care about Slowking's Thunder Wave.
I don't post on Stark Mountain all that often, but I started actively battling in NU tier about two months ago, and I have been absolutely annihilating people with Wishcash now that it has Dragon Dance, and I sometimes think it might be absolutely broken in NU. It's only weak to Grass types, which, as stated in quite a few posts, aren't all that common in NU save for MAYBE Meganium.
Anybody this Wishcash might be tested for UU anytime soon?
Anybody this Wishcash might be tested for UU anytime soon?
I disagree with the 2 kills. Often times, you'll get take out Espeon/Drifblim/Haunter
Sometimes you even won't with the whole mindgame thing. If you switch into Sub, get HP grounded, and sub AGAIN, bye bye Skuntank. Sure, you can claim that'll you pursuit but that's highly unlikely. And I can just BS argue that I'll stay in and outspeed and KO you.
If you DO kill them, by that time you'll be crippled by HP Ground and easily picked off via revenge kill. Hardly 2 kills unless your silly and send in something slower.
Sometimes you even won't with the whole mindgame thing. If you switch into Sub, get HP grounded, and sub AGAIN, bye bye Skuntank. Sure, you can claim that'll you pursuit but that's highly unlikely. And I can just BS argue that I'll stay in and outspeed and KO you.
If you DO kill them, by that time you'll be crippled by HP Ground and easily picked off via revenge kill. Hardly 2 kills unless your silly and send in something slower.
Okay, I mean Skuntank isn't a perfect switch-in to Espeon - please, name one! But it's the best way for offensive teams to kill Espeon without always having to sack something to it, while still retaining momentum and versatility.
The scenario, 'Skuntank Pursuit-traps/Sucker Punch-revenges something, then Explodes on something else' happens far too often to ignore. Taking out Quagsire and Sandslash can benefit stuff like ScarfApe as well. I live for the day I try to boom on a Damp Quaggy.
@ Skippy: Whiscash is way too hard to set up. Its neutral-natured EQs coming off 78 base Attack simply aren't strong enough. Anything with reasonable bulk can take a hit and KO back. Alternatively, it can use Adamant, still miss KOs, and get revenged by anything fast (Espeon).
The scenario, 'Skuntank Pursuit-traps/Sucker Punch-revenges something, then Explodes on something else' happens far too often to ignore. Taking out Quagsire and Sandslash can benefit stuff like ScarfApe as well. I live for the day I try to boom on a Damp Quaggy.
@ Skippy: Whiscash is way too hard to set up. Its neutral-natured EQs coming off 78 base Attack simply aren't strong enough. Anything with reasonable bulk can take a hit and KO back. Alternatively, it can use Adamant, still miss KOs, and get revenged by anything fast (Espeon).
Not really. I'm honestly going to send out something that can OHKO Skuntank without taking much from it after it revenges something via something like priority or what note. If it sucker punches to kill me, even better I can send out my encore user etc.
It's about time people stopped sending in their Sandslash/Quagsire against it. (Or double switching into a Dusclops is pretty good too)
Named, common examples that aren't Raichu?
Agreed, I've tried Wishcash before, offensivly it can't really do anything it has decent bulk added with it's Hitpoints that reaches 424. Offensivly it reaches 280 Adamant nature, which is ok but as Ice-Eyes said it's just overall too hard to setup anything. You probably need 2 sets of Dragon dance to have a possible potent sweep.
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