you will be protected on the that turn though right ?
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BBEXP is correct, the move in question is Imprisoned even if you use Protect. However, on your second turn, you can't use the imprisoned moves.
Yes, you are totally protected first turn; it's just the next turn you won't be able to protect yourself(assuming they sealed Protect).
I.E.
Turn 1:
Machamp uses Protect!
Azelf uses Imprison, sealing the moves of the opponents!
Mewtwo uses Psychic! Machamp Protected itself!
Magikarp uses Splash! Mewtwo faints!
Turn 2:
Machamp can't use Protect or any other moves it and Azelf knows until Azelf switches or dies.
I just made that scenario up, but I think you get the idea. ;)
Yes, you are totally protected first turn; it's just the next turn you won't be able to protect yourself(assuming they sealed Protect).
I.E.
Turn 1:
Machamp uses Protect!
Azelf uses Imprison, sealing the moves of the opponents!
Mewtwo uses Psychic! Machamp Protected itself!
Magikarp uses Splash! Mewtwo faints!
Turn 2:
Machamp can't use Protect or any other moves it and Azelf knows until Azelf switches or dies.
I just made that scenario up, but I think you get the idea. ;)
yea i got it. thanks. splash ftw lol
another question. does trick room ruin gyro balls power b/c you go first. or is it based off your originally slow speed and still just as powerfull ?
another question. does trick room ruin gyro balls power b/c you go first. or is it based off your originally slow speed and still just as powerfull ?
iirc someone earlier in the post said Trickroom is the major way to counter Rain Dance teams, so this made me think, what about something like a rain room team. a lot of the bulky waters are very slow and could benefit from trick room. slowbro/king can set up and benefit from both and tie with snorlax for speed(as that will most likely be the slowest thing you encounter besides the level 1 pokemon). granted they wont be doing much damage to it. but then theres something like azumarill who is bulky gets a boost to his stab attacks. has priority with aqua jet when trick room isnt in effect. and has an impressive attack thanks to huge power. this might also make something like parasect viable. it ties with snorlax for speed in trick room, heals in rain and can use spore. it also has a usefull resistance to electric despite its weaknesses to other common types. but if a parasect set can be viable in the ubers environment im sure there could be a usable set for doubles. not as a starter of course. but once youre set up it could sleep the more prominent threat and survive the other pokemons attack with a sash(if its even the target). it could also stall quite effectively as long as you dont get statused by attack. im not sure if the rain would heal you b4 burn did damage. a set like
parasect@sash
1)protect
2)spore
3)endure
4)toxic
or something similar. i hant really put much thought into it yet, but am seriously considering trying to make something like that work. and alongside something with pressure(like dusknior, who can set up both rain and room) could stall out a huge amount of your opponents pp if not all. you might even be able to save yourself some set up time by letting your opponent set up the rain or room b/c they are the most common types of teams.
so yea that was just some of my thoughts. if anyone could help me embelish on that idea and make it work it would be cool imo
parasect@sash
1)protect
2)spore
3)endure
4)toxic
or something similar. i hant really put much thought into it yet, but am seriously considering trying to make something like that work. and alongside something with pressure(like dusknior, who can set up both rain and room) could stall out a huge amount of your opponents pp if not all. you might even be able to save yourself some set up time by letting your opponent set up the rain or room b/c they are the most common types of teams.
so yea that was just some of my thoughts. if anyone could help me embelish on that idea and make it work it would be cool imo
I think there are more pokemon that would be much better in a double battle than Parasect. So, there might be better options to explore.
not that can spore and have basically the lowest speed in TR and heal in rain. give me some examples though if you dont mind
Well, not necessarily with all of those things, but Vaporeon, Clamperl(who is underrated IMO), and Quagsire are examples who I would pick over Parasect at first glance. Plus, most competitive leads will have at least a Chesto Berry, so if you use Spore on the wrong guy, Parasect will be dead. This is including Focus Sash, since they probably would have at least attacked with one pokemon last turn.
Even if you protect first turn, that leaves one pokemon with at least a Chesto active. Plus, it takes Slowking, assuming you lead with him, two turns at minimum to set up; this leaves the opponent opportunities to set up their own or kill Slowking and/or Parasect; or even Fake Out or set up their own weather/strategy. It just seems too gimicky/reliant in order to work effectively against skilled opponents. Sure, it might work against the in experienced players on PBR wifi, but you will probably not get far in tournaments like Showdown with that team.
Even if you protect first turn, that leaves one pokemon with at least a Chesto active. Plus, it takes Slowking, assuming you lead with him, two turns at minimum to set up; this leaves the opponent opportunities to set up their own or kill Slowking and/or Parasect; or even Fake Out or set up their own weather/strategy. It just seems too gimicky/reliant in order to work effectively against skilled opponents. Sure, it might work against the in experienced players on PBR wifi, but you will probably not get far in tournaments like Showdown with that team.
i did say that it would not be a lead though. it would be after youve set up. and you most likely wouldnt spore unless you know they dont have a berry. and it would actually give you time to set up b/c after protect they wouldnt expect an endure and would attack it only to have it survive again. im not saying youre wrong at all. you obviously know a lot more about the metagame than me. i dont really know much about doubles. and youre an experienced tournament player. it was just a thought and seems like something that would be fun to play b/c its so different from everything else thats being used
@lenihanman: Protect and Endure are on the same stack/counter (whatever you call it) though, so Enduring after Protect will only have 50% chance of success. You might as well just have Protect and something else replacing Endure.
I used a Slowking + Parasect TR combo before which worked decently. I did not lead with Parasect since it's too frail to survive much. Mine had Spore / Substitute / Light Screen / X-Scissor... Sub's great since Slowking's Surf basically gives Parasect a free sub to survive one attack at least. Protect over Light Screen would have been better though probably since Parasect rarely ever had the time to use it (basically only used when Parasect's partner can KO both opponents, but even then Sub is usually the better move).
I guess it's too bad Parasect can't learn leech seed, or else your set would work better, since a poisoned pokemon can't be spored anymore, so it'll be impossible to stall with opponent awake and attacking. I had X-Scissor since that helped with Slowking's Dark and Grass weakness.
But yah, I can only say it worked decently, not extremely well. IF Parasect got to Spore something (that's not holding Chesto/Lum) without dying in the same turn, it has a much higher chance of surviving a few more turns since it can sub the next turn while Slowking surfs for some damage while the opponent can only attack with one pokemon (which at best only breaks Parasect's sub unless it's a multi-hit move).
I do agree, it's fun to use... just for fun though.
I used a Slowking + Parasect TR combo before which worked decently. I did not lead with Parasect since it's too frail to survive much. Mine had Spore / Substitute / Light Screen / X-Scissor... Sub's great since Slowking's Surf basically gives Parasect a free sub to survive one attack at least. Protect over Light Screen would have been better though probably since Parasect rarely ever had the time to use it (basically only used when Parasect's partner can KO both opponents, but even then Sub is usually the better move).
I guess it's too bad Parasect can't learn leech seed, or else your set would work better, since a poisoned pokemon can't be spored anymore, so it'll be impossible to stall with opponent awake and attacking. I had X-Scissor since that helped with Slowking's Dark and Grass weakness.
But yah, I can only say it worked decently, not extremely well. IF Parasect got to Spore something (that's not holding Chesto/Lum) without dying in the same turn, it has a much higher chance of surviving a few more turns since it can sub the next turn while Slowking surfs for some damage while the opponent can only attack with one pokemon (which at best only breaks Parasect's sub unless it's a multi-hit move).
I do agree, it's fun to use... just for fun though.
i didnt know that you cant protect and then endure forever lol
i guess taht just ruined that. but like i said it was just a quick thought that came to mind and it just seemed like something fun and different
i guess taht just ruined that. but like i said it was just a quick thought that came to mind and it just seemed like something fun and different
I won't introduce myself, just say i'm the kind of person that just registers for reading the forums xD
Well, as far as i know, the same people are organizing de Showndown and organize de TCG world championships..
The question is, is there a posibility that Argentina can participate in the showdown (It does in the TCG WC)? If it does participate guys, you'll see me in the finals :P
Well, as far as i know, the same people are organizing de Showndown and organize de TCG world championships..
The question is, is there a posibility that Argentina can participate in the showdown (It does in the TCG WC)? If it does participate guys, you'll see me in the finals :P
I don't know, but there's always a possibility. Pokemon USA organizes the Showdown and the TCG in the States, but since Argentina does take part in the WC, it's still an open question. We don't have any information yet regarding the Showdown in America yet, so we can't say anything conclusive...
Yeah, but chances are you are going to go up against a different Trick Room team, so Parasect may get stuck in a rut if they gang up on it. It would be awesome to see Parasect sweep a team though :D
Solrock is just asking to lose because Metagross (heck even Bullet Punch in general) is extremely popular (just wait until you see my stats guys; lol). Torkoal might be (read: MOST DEFINITELY IS) a better option due to a pure Fire typing, his awesome base 140 defense, better Special Attack, and Base 20 Speed (which you know is awesome in Trick Room; he's even slower than Snorlax!).
The problem is that Torkoal doesn't learn Trick Room, hehe, so it can't really be compared to Solrock in this case.
Out of Solrock / Exeggutor / Claydol / Bronzong (the only ones that learn Trick Room, Explosion, and Sunny Day ... well, and Azelf and Gengar), Solrock is the only one that can learn Overheat, so that's why it was chosen. Exeggutor has Chlorophyll, so that doesn't help, and it and Bronzong are weak to Fire, which might not be ideal. Claydol is ok for a more defensive version of Solrock I think.
Out of Solrock / Exeggutor / Claydol / Bronzong (the only ones that learn Trick Room, Explosion, and Sunny Day ... well, and Azelf and Gengar), Solrock is the only one that can learn Overheat, so that's why it was chosen. Exeggutor has Chlorophyll, so that doesn't help, and it and Bronzong are weak to Fire, which might not be ideal. Claydol is ok for a more defensive version of Solrock I think.
Oh, for some reason I thought we were just talking about Sunny Day users in trick room, not a Sunny Day and Trick Room user. My bad. :P
Bronzong or Claydol would probably be the best candidates in that case. Bronzong could always use Heatproof if you're that worried about fire attacks. In the VGS metagame you can't afford to expose yourself to Metagross and Bullet Punch.
In any case it'd probably be better to have seperate users of Sunny Day and Trick Room, so at least you get part of your strategy set up in a bad scenario.
Bronzong or Claydol would probably be the best candidates in that case. Bronzong could always use Heatproof if you're that worried about fire attacks. In the VGS metagame you can't afford to expose yourself to Metagross and Bullet Punch.
In any case it'd probably be better to have seperate users of Sunny Day and Trick Room, so at least you get part of your strategy set up in a bad scenario.
Yeah I agree. Having separate users would probably be safer (and faster). In general, having 2 themes is hard to set up, and yah if we're relying on one user to set up both themes, it's too risky. I'm making a Gravity + TR team now (with Follow Me+Gravity Clefable & TR Heatproof Bronzong) ... no idea if it'll work to any success. I think... ... I should type this stuff in the other Double thread instead.
Just watch out for Taunt. :P Though you get one of them up regardless.
In my opinion it's better to use two separate pokemon for that strategy, because if you use just one, there are more chances to be killed in the act than actually setting up that strategy. Also, Bronzong says trick room every where, so you can use a Dusknoir in stead, it is also inmune to fake out an that's very usefull in doubles :P
(I think some of the words could be bad spelled xD)
(I think some of the words could be bad spelled xD)
having two is probably the better idea. but having one double up just in case couldnt hurt
like having a pokemon knowing a weather move and trick room and its partner also having weather support too so both could possibly be set up in one turn
like having a pokemon knowing a weather move and trick room and its partner also having weather support too so both could possibly be set up in one turn
I agree with you. Unless you have a Pokémon with Fake Out (Like Weavile, Hitmonlee, or Infernape) than I recommend not having one Pokémon with both Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Trick Room, whatever is your plan. Weather teams can be incredibly hard to beat once they pull it off. So, if you want to make sure you get the advantage over Rain Dancer's or Dusknoirs... bring Electrode.
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