My experience with the meta as of late
Only two? Why can't we do a Mega Mashup?This thread plays host to a variety of metagames that combine two other metagames
I think you should take a look at the tour code repository, which includes many a mashup that has 3 or more component metas. Familiarizing yourself with the OMM resources may give you a few ideas.Only two? Why can't we do a Mega Mashup?
Shared Power + Camomons + AAA + STABmons = Mega Mashup. We can even do variations like doubles, Ubers, Nat Dex, and more!
Please at least think about it.
Good question. Generally, our policy is that only mashups of 2 metagames can be considered official mashups. Official mashups are sort of the flagship metas of this room, meaning they receive more attention, more metagame development, a bigger chance to be picked as Mashups spotlight and more likely to be featured in a forum tour.Only two? Why can't we do a Mega Mashup?
Shared Power + Camomons + AAA + STABmons = Mega Mashup. We can even do variations like doubles, Ubers, Nat Dex, and more!
Please at least think about it.
It's definitely something we could play in the room. If you'd like to discuss potentially playable mashups feel free to join the PS room ( type /j ommashups) or our discord (link in this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-mashup-megathread.3657159/).Okay then, quick question; What do you think about an Inverse Battle + STABmons combo?
/tour new [Gen 8] STABmons, Elimination
/tour rules !Obtainable Abilities, -Arena Trap, -Comatose, -Contrary, -Fluffy, -Fur Coat, -Gorilla Tactics, -Huge Power, -Ice Scales, -Illusion, -Imposter, -Innards Out, -Intrepid Sword, -Libero, -Moody, -Neutralizing Gas, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Pure Power, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Stakeout, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -Shedinja, 2 Ability Clause, *Transform, *No Retreat, *V-create, -Hypnosis, -Sing, -Sleep Powder, +Darmanitan, +Darmanitan-Galar, +Dracovish, +Gengar, +Porygon-Z, -Keldeo, -Terrakion, -Wicked Blow, -Zeraora, -Chandelure, -Melmetal, -Electrify, -Volcarona, +Genesect, -Blacephalon
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 4
/tour name [Gen 8] STABmons + Almost Any Ability
Oh yeah, Kyurem Black is not explicitly mentioned because I forgot it got unbanned in OU. Kyurem Black will always be banned in this meta, its way too strong.A little question about the banlist (again). Why isn't kyurem black suspected? I would consider him rater really dangerous with glacial lance as an attack.
And also what about dragon's maw and transistor? Because I've been playing some OU lately and once the opposing ground, grass and dragon types removed (sometimes you can even muscle pass them) he has shown to be a really potent cleaner in my opinion (some sort of vish 2.0, he has only his STAB but it hits hard). And that with only 100 base SpA. I'm pretty afraid what things like xurkitree specs or scarf dragon energy hygreigon will do with it.
ice horse is already lowkey busted (it comes fairly close to 2koing physdef pex w/o tinted) and better ice horse is just betterA little question about the banlist (again). Why isn't kyurem black suspected? I would consider him rater really dangerous with glacial lance as an attack.
And also what about dragon's maw and transistor? Because I've been playing some OU lately and once the opposing ground, grass and dragon types removed (sometimes you can even muscle pass them) he has shown to be a really potent cleaner in my opinion (some sort of vish 2.0, he has only his STAB but it hits hard). And that with only 100 base SpA. I'm pretty afraid what things like xurkitree specs or scarf dragon energy hygreigon will do with it.
/tour new [Gen 8] Mix and Mega, Elimination
/tour rules STABmons Move Legality, *Acupressure, *Belly Drum, *Bolt Beak, *Boomburst, *Double Iron Bash, *Extreme Speed, *Fishious Rend, *Geomancy,*Lovely Kiss, *Shell Smash, *Shift Gear, *Spore, *Thousand Arrows, *Transform, *V-create, *Wicked Blow, +Eternatus, +Lunala, *Eternatus, *Lunala
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 4
/tour name [Gen 8] STABmons Mix and Mega
/tour new [Gen 8] Ubers, Elimination
/tour rules !Obtainable Abilities, -Arena Trap, -Comatose, -Contrary, -Fluffy, -Fur Coat, -Gorilla Tactics, -Huge Power, -Ice Scales, -Illusion, -Imposter, -Innards Out, -Intrepid Sword, -Libero, -Moody, -Neutralizing Gas, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Pure Power, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Stakeout, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -Shedinja, 2 Ability Clause, Dynamax Clause, -Baton Pass
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 4
/tour name [Gen 8] Almost Any Ability Ubers
/tour new [Gen 8] STABmons, Elimination
/tour rules !Obtainable Abilities, -Arena Trap, -Comatose, -Contrary, -Fluffy, -Fur Coat, -Gorilla Tactics, -Huge Power, -Ice Scales, -Illusion, -Imposter, -Innards Out, -Intrepid Sword, -Libero, -Moody, -Neutralizing Gas, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Pure Power, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Stakeout, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -Shedinja, 2 Ability Clause, *Transform, *No Retreat, *V-create, -Hypnosis, -Sing, -Sleep Powder, +Darmanitan, +Darmanitan-Galar, +Dracovish, +Gengar, +Porygon-Z, -Keldeo, -Terrakion, -Wicked Blow, -Zeraora, -Chandelure, -Melmetal, -Electrify, -Volcarona, -Blacephalon, -Dragonite, -Tapu Koko, -Thundurus, -Archeops, -Zygarde, -Regigigas, +Zygarde-10%, -Tinted Lens
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 4
/tour name [Gen 8] STABmons + Almost Any Ability
/tour new [Gen 8] Mix and Mega, Elimination
/tour rules STABmons Move Legality, *Acupressure, *Belly Drum, *Bolt Beak, *Boomburst, *Double Iron Bash, *Extreme Speed, *Fishious Rend, *Geomancy,*Lovely Kiss, *Shell Smash, *Shift Gear, *Spore, *Thousand Arrows, *Transform, *V-create, *Wicked Blow
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 4
/tour name [Gen 8] STABmons Mix and Mega
Yeah Rayquaza is definetly broken. Also be mindful of this one when building lolMoving onto Rayquaza, this is a mon that seems absolutely impossible to answer on paper, especially since there are no real defensive counters to it and DD lets it outpace offensive checks after one boost. Perhaps some versions of NDM can stomach hits from it and Prank Giratina can switch in on non Dragon moves, but that's about it. As for offensive checks, non DD sets are relatively easy to answer as long as you have a psychic surger on your team, whereas DD is only revenged by Sash mons or Scarf Dazzling Marshadow. With all that said, it has not been that impressive in practice but I also haven't seen much of it either.
Rayquaza @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Claw/Draco Meteor
- V-create/Earthquake
- Swords Dance/Dragon Dance
Rayquaza @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Ascent
- Dragon Claw
- V-create/Earthquake
- Dragon Dance