well regice is a menance
Yeah but those mons don't have reliable recovery, the ability to remove hazards and a strong move to hit with which doesn't require any attack investment and can be effective against most physical attackers in general. Missy will still die in the process of burning it if it runs enough to outspeed, and Lairon can be hit with Rock Smash or Dig (which it can actually use due to having not much else to run in the 4th slot other than Seed Bomb, which is meh). All these answers to Linoone have pros and cons so there is a reason to use them all.Gourgeist is probably decent in this tier, Quilladin can easily take an espeed and phaze linoone out, Lairon as well, and misdreavus can outrun adamant linoone and burn it before it gets a shadow claw off. These are (with the exception of gourd) 'mons i've seen be very effective in fu, i don't see the need to start scraping the barrel for options like vullaby when its already not particularly hard to counter.
I can confirm that corphish is a really fun wallbreaker to play with, even in UU the little crab/lobster/crayfish thing has helped players to reach the ladder;)I'd like to bring up Corphish. As Call me 911 can attest, Corphish can be good even in UU, where a few people have been laddering up with a custom-made team. So if it can be semi-viable in UU, why not use it in FU?
The meta has been adapting. People are routinely running 2 counters on a team (machoke and metang) as well as their own regice. The sad thing is regice still puts in work in these games pretty routinely. But thats not really relevant. The meta adapting to the point that its almost impossible to build a team without MULTIPLE pokemon that have questionable viability outside of serving as regice counters (machoke in particular) is ridiculous overcentralization. And yeah, there are some gimmicky lures, but most of them don't come particularly close to an ohko on regice, which means defensive regice can just switch out and rest on any of the special attackers on your team later in the game.Regice is incredibly good, but I'm sure the meta will adapt itself. One I myself like using is mixed simipour with superpower, but there are plenty of ways to deal with it. Voltturn is a great strategy to wear regice down, especially with hazards up. If you are using the infamous vigoroth (which arguably is broken) a regice (like many other mons) is set up fodder.
Just because it has tremendous bulk overall doesn't make it broken.
I don't know, Tropius seems inferior to the other Defoggers in the tier like Swanna, Vibrava, Prinplup, Pidgeot and Vullaby. Tropius seems pretty weak and Leech Seed is kind of a waste on the set since it's probably going to be forced out a lot. The other defensive defoggers at least have better offensive presence with Foul Play + Toxic on Vullaby, Scald + Toxic on Prinplup, and Earthquake + Toxic on Vibrava. I could be wrong since I haven't used Defog Tropius, but it just seems like a waste of potential on it. We have a Rapid Spin shortage, not a Defog shortage.And what about Tropius as defogger? OK, you lose harvest but...
Tropius @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Air Slash
- Leech Seed
- Roost
- Defog
I mean this could be a thing with some steel type for ice/rock types.
try roost, toxic, leech seed, and protect/sub :]And what about Tropius as defogger? OK, you lose harvest but...
Tropius @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Air Slash
- Leech Seed
- Roost
- Defog
I mean this could be a thing with some steel type for ice/rock types.
taunt bait deluxe, Tropius is bad already, no need to make it useless against Stall. Air slash is also needed to stop a few pokemon that would screw you over if not. these include Victreebel and simisage.try roost, toxic, leech seed, and protect/sub :]
you would have to take them out first but idk how commen they are in other tiers but i've used it in ou and its fine (i prefer trev cuz keldeo block)taunt bait deluxe, Tropius is bad already, no need to make it useless against Stall. Air slash is also needed to stop a few pokemon that would screw you over if not. these include Victreebel and simisage.
Sandshrew is lol the best psysical defensive spinner in the tier, it can work but keep it to stall and bulky balance.
Where's the Regice?So from what I can tell based on the many matches I have both played and spectated, the meta completely revolves around Vigoroth right now. Every match I have seen within the last few days has been "who sets up their Vigoroth and wins first." You can play horribly the entire match and still come out on top with a last mon Vigoroth if your opponent doesn't have a Shedinja or Misdreavous alive on their team. Not even Lampent works because it just gets PP stalled. It is the face of FU right now, and every team I build has to have multiple checks to it if I want to win.
I'm pretty sure that this is the most cookie cutter team possible in FU right now.
Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 194 HP / 252 SpA / 62 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Nasty Plot
Krokorok @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
Machoke @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dynamic Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
- Ice Punch
Metang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
Simipour @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Focus Blast
Vigoroth @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpD / 16 Spe
Careful Nature
- Return
- Bulk Up
- Taunt
- Slack Off
Vigoroth counter + Vigoroth support mon + Regice Check + Fraxure / Regice check + Monkey + Vigoroth.
That is literally every team I've seen right now.
#xyfu on SynIrc or the Other Metas room on Showdown. (Links in my sig)Where are you guys discussing FU? I scanned the thread a few times and couldn't find the link
Regice isn't that necessary, since so many special attackers are unviable just by the fact that Regice exists in the tier. And yeah ofc you can run Dazzling Gleam over Thunderbolt, that was just a choice for the specific team I made. Wisp on the switch cripples anything that would be hit by Dazzling Gleam anyway (Krok/Zweilous/Frazure etc.). So ultimately it's a preference thing. I personally wanted to hit simipour and swanna more than the threats listed above since wisp makes them all useless anyway.Where's the Regice?
Also, D-Gleam on Misdreavus provides better coverage.