I hope that Melmetal could possibly be a strong and viable Bulk Up sweeper if that’s what Serebii is implying from this information.
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And a signature move that might make Jirachi look weak
That depends if it can evolve omce transfered further in gen 8 games, but by the wording it seems yes.
So it's confirmed Melmetal is an evolution? Darn, I was hoping it was a Power Construct
No abilities in PLG means it couldn't be Power Construct in this game anyway. But it's not necessarily confirmed because forms are all counted as separate Pokemon (albeit having the same dex number) in Go, e.g. you can catch Castform in different forms but you cannot change its form at all. Could be the case for Meltan, I guess. Then again I'd imagine the different Zygarde forms being raid bosses of different levels rather than evolution so I don't know.
The word "evolve" is used in several places both in the trailer and the website clearly lists them as separate pokemon so I don't think it's the case.
Different forms also always had the same "name" (or at most with a extra word, like Rotom-Frost or Zygarde Complete" if they shared the pokedex ID
It even specifically says how "Melmetal has a signature move" while Meltan doesnt (duh I can't see Meltan swinging anything with those tiny arms....)
Being it a Mythical poke, it's very likely to be exclusive to Pokemon *Go* if anything.
As in, the only way to obtain one in the near future will be getting Meltan/Melmetal in Go, send them to PLGO, and then send them to gen 8 games via whatever the Switch Poke bank will be called.
My guess is that since Melmels (I've just decided to make "Melmels" a thing) will be a year old by the time G8 drops, by that time it'll have been shuffled into the list of mythical Pokemon whose only purpose is to be distributed through Mystery Gift
Oh yeah forgot to post this yesterday (I've had a horrifc stomach bug, sorry), but here's a pic of Melmetal's HP stat. Take it with a grain of salt since we know there's a new stat system now, but I've noticed that the wacky stats only seem to come from English media. The japanese photos have always had "possible stats".
195 HP is pretty chunky at level 50. Without any EV investment (whcih seems to be the norm in most of the Japanese pics I've seen), we're looking at 120 base HP! Like I said, candies could be messing with this, but its a good sign thus far! And like has already been mentioned, it did outspeed Onix, so it could have a decent Speed stat too.
195 HP is pretty chunky at level 50. Without any EV investment (whcih seems to be the norm in most of the Japanese pics I've seen), we're looking at 120 base HP! Like I said, candies could be messing with this, but its a good sign thus far! And like has already been mentioned, it did outspeed Onix, so it could have a decent Speed stat too.
"Junichi Masuda: So actually it was more that one of the main targets of these games is kids, who haven't had the opportunity to play Pokémon Go, because you know, they don't have a smartphone"
what did they mean by this
Well, they have to introduce to kids the incredibly unfair distribution methods of Mythical Pokémon :P
You mean "They have to introduce kids to walk around to hatch eggs" since apparently that's what people associate the games with.
Three pages of comments, splitting this up by page:
Eh, while annoying it would be Kanto mons getting more Mega Evos, I wouldn't be against it as at least it means they're willing to make more Mega Evos. Hopefully it would then carry over to Gen VIII (and for the remakes) so they could give other gens (like V, VI, and VII) more Mega Evos (and maybe for less commonly used Pokemon).
Of course this is overlooking the problems there was with Mega Evolutions and if they would find a way to address them.
No one is going to hate you for having this opinion. We will argue with you on how we see things, but you're not saying anything bad.
And indeed, this could count as their Switch version of Kanto... but my problem with it that it doesn't evolve Kanto outside of graphics. Gen II Kanto showed how it changed over 3 years, FRLG updated original Kanto with new mechanics as well as adding back in scrapped Sevii Islands, & HGSS did the same with Gen II's Kanto while also giving us more character interactions and Gym Leader rematches. And while the virtual console re-releases didn't change anything, they weren't supposed to, they were straight ports (and allowing for the RBY Pokemon to be moved to the Pokemon Bank was a bonus). All had a purpose and updated Kanto or gave Kanto some purpose. But Let's Go doesn't do this outside of the graphics (and I barely count side events if they're on the same level of watching a Slowpoke for a few seconds) and Let's Go doesn't have the excuse the RBY games since they had to re-create Kanto yet did nothing new with it. Even if Let's Go had compatibility with Bank giving it some purpose the fact remains they had all the potential to add onto Kanto... yet chose not to so if you don't use GO these games are no deeper than the Virtual Console's Yellow version.
Also I question the idea of this attracting more younger players to Pokemon, especially ones who don't play GO. Because if anything I think a kid who plays GO probably already buys the core series Pokemon games. And kids you don't play Pokemon thus wouldn't play GO would probably not be impressed by these games as they're bare bones. If there's any audience they're trying to attract back it would be the older players of GO who may have stopped playing Pokemon since they were a kid. And once again, if Let's Go is meant to draw them back its only doing so via nostalgia than showing off all the new mechanics that have been added into Pokemon to give battles more depth.
Why would people hate that? If anything players would want that as that way they can transfer their non-Kanto Pokemon from GO to those game.
Actually, I would give future Let's Go kudos if they had those games only use Pokemon released in that generation (the exceptions being including previous gen Pokemon which had gotten a new evolution/form in that gen). Now that would be an interesting change.
I think you're overthinking things. I don't think they did that much of a stat overhaul, infact I think they only just scooped Candy boosts on top of everything which is something I doubt that'll be done with the core series.
If it sells well it would be an investment. Though selling way or not it does create an engine they can build upon for the Gen VIII games. Only thing that'll happen if it sells well is there will be more Let's Go games (hopefully, while there's some things in go I'd like to see brought over there's certainly a lot I don't).
Abilities do help change how some Pokemon are played, maybe even gives them a niche under the right conditions (or has them play differently from a Pokemon with similar Type and stats). They certainly don't need Abilities to function, but it doesn't hurt having them either. Gives some more variety and the feeling each Pokemon species has its one unique traits. Also some Mega Pokemon kind of get a short end of a stick without an Ability, notably Mega Pinsir.
Yeah, didn't think of that. Reason Eevee is a fun Starter option is because all the options you have to evolve it into. Take that away and its just a rounded Normal-type. Now Let's Go Eevee at least have the partner moves and the higher than normal stats, but once again one of the fun in having the Eevee is after having built you team you can evolve Eevee into a Type that you're missing on your team.
Melmetal Reveal Trailer:
0:46: They're not trying to merge with one another, Willow, they're mating.
0:53: Orgy!
0:59: Willow is now dead. Told you these little guys were an apocalypse waiting to happen.
1:18: WHAT?! OAK, YOU HAD ANCIENT TEXT DESCRIBING MELMETAL AND EVEN HAD A PICTURE OF IT?! And you didn't feel ANY of that was important to tell Willow while he was researching them?
1:35: ... So, do their minds merge also? Are they like a hive mind now or did all their memories become one single consciousness?
1:50: Do Poke Balls not contain any metal? Would seem odd for a metal eater to be contained in an object that's at least partially metal.
1:59: That's for not telling us about Melmetal beforehand!
2:03: Professor Oak is dead.
2:31: Gee, I wonder that too. I wonder if there's another region other than Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola, and eighth region, with a whole new generation of Pokemon. An eighth generation, Gen VIII.
2:34: GAH! Sudden narrator! And wow, he sounded so excited to be here...
2:39: "Solved by two brilliant Professors". Oh, who else was Willow talking to other than Oak?
So, yeah, now my actual thoughts on Melmetal. Taking into account its an evolution of Meltan, I think it's okay. Its essentially a Meltan placed in a bulky mech body, and with its tiny head it looks funny and adorable. I can see the Regigigas comparisons, but the additional bits of aesthetics (such as how it does its Signature Move) it has is enough that it doesn't really bother me. Though with the idea of liquid metal they could have been a bit more creative.
That said, what are Meltan's stats going to be? Because if its weaker than Melmetal, then what's the point of having it? Just make Meltan like the Zygarde Cores and Cells. Sure, it would be repeating a previously used idea, but then again so is sorta this with Poipole being an Ultra Beast that's able to evolve. But Poipole isn't a Mythical and you can easily evolve it.
And yeah, let's talk about that. Only way to get Melmetal is by evolving it in GO by feeding it 400 Meltan candies. Any Meltan you transferred to Let's Go can't evolve... So did you want us to use Melmetal or not? How long will it take to get enough Meltan candy to do that? And wasn't one of the idea of Let's Go is to allow kids you couldn't use GO to play GO? And now you have this Pokemon exclusive to only GO players? And how is this going to work for the Gen VIII games?
Unless it gets Serene Grace or Double Iron Bash has a high Flinch rate that it goes about 60% I don't think Iron Head Jirachi will be giving up its title soon.
And then GF pull a Victini by having a special Pokemon appear first in the Gen VIII dex before the Starters. :P
Not to mention this Melmetal could be hooked on Speed Candy boosts.
But would it be allowed?
Heatproof. Makes it both neutral to Fire-types and unable to be burned.
Eh, while annoying it would be Kanto mons getting more Mega Evos, I wouldn't be against it as at least it means they're willing to make more Mega Evos. Hopefully it would then carry over to Gen VIII (and for the remakes) so they could give other gens (like V, VI, and VII) more Mega Evos (and maybe for less commonly used Pokemon).
Of course this is overlooking the problems there was with Mega Evolutions and if they would find a way to address them.
No one is going to hate you for having this opinion. We will argue with you on how we see things, but you're not saying anything bad.
And indeed, this could count as their Switch version of Kanto... but my problem with it that it doesn't evolve Kanto outside of graphics. Gen II Kanto showed how it changed over 3 years, FRLG updated original Kanto with new mechanics as well as adding back in scrapped Sevii Islands, & HGSS did the same with Gen II's Kanto while also giving us more character interactions and Gym Leader rematches. And while the virtual console re-releases didn't change anything, they weren't supposed to, they were straight ports (and allowing for the RBY Pokemon to be moved to the Pokemon Bank was a bonus). All had a purpose and updated Kanto or gave Kanto some purpose. But Let's Go doesn't do this outside of the graphics (and I barely count side events if they're on the same level of watching a Slowpoke for a few seconds) and Let's Go doesn't have the excuse the RBY games since they had to re-create Kanto yet did nothing new with it. Even if Let's Go had compatibility with Bank giving it some purpose the fact remains they had all the potential to add onto Kanto... yet chose not to so if you don't use GO these games are no deeper than the Virtual Console's Yellow version.
Also I question the idea of this attracting more younger players to Pokemon, especially ones who don't play GO. Because if anything I think a kid who plays GO probably already buys the core series Pokemon games. And kids you don't play Pokemon thus wouldn't play GO would probably not be impressed by these games as they're bare bones. If there's any audience they're trying to attract back it would be the older players of GO who may have stopped playing Pokemon since they were a kid. And once again, if Let's Go is meant to draw them back its only doing so via nostalgia than showing off all the new mechanics that have been added into Pokemon to give battles more depth.
Why would people hate that? If anything players would want that as that way they can transfer their non-Kanto Pokemon from GO to those game.
Actually, I would give future Let's Go kudos if they had those games only use Pokemon released in that generation (the exceptions being including previous gen Pokemon which had gotten a new evolution/form in that gen). Now that would be an interesting change.
I think you're overthinking things. I don't think they did that much of a stat overhaul, infact I think they only just scooped Candy boosts on top of everything which is something I doubt that'll be done with the core series.
If it sells well it would be an investment. Though selling way or not it does create an engine they can build upon for the Gen VIII games. Only thing that'll happen if it sells well is there will be more Let's Go games (hopefully, while there's some things in go I'd like to see brought over there's certainly a lot I don't).
Abilities do help change how some Pokemon are played, maybe even gives them a niche under the right conditions (or has them play differently from a Pokemon with similar Type and stats). They certainly don't need Abilities to function, but it doesn't hurt having them either. Gives some more variety and the feeling each Pokemon species has its one unique traits. Also some Mega Pokemon kind of get a short end of a stick without an Ability, notably Mega Pinsir.
Yeah, didn't think of that. Reason Eevee is a fun Starter option is because all the options you have to evolve it into. Take that away and its just a rounded Normal-type. Now Let's Go Eevee at least have the partner moves and the higher than normal stats, but once again one of the fun in having the Eevee is after having built you team you can evolve Eevee into a Type that you're missing on your team.
Melmetal Reveal Trailer:
0:46: They're not trying to merge with one another, Willow, they're mating.
0:53: Orgy!
0:59: Willow is now dead. Told you these little guys were an apocalypse waiting to happen.
1:18: WHAT?! OAK, YOU HAD ANCIENT TEXT DESCRIBING MELMETAL AND EVEN HAD A PICTURE OF IT?! And you didn't feel ANY of that was important to tell Willow while he was researching them?
1:35: ... So, do their minds merge also? Are they like a hive mind now or did all their memories become one single consciousness?
1:50: Do Poke Balls not contain any metal? Would seem odd for a metal eater to be contained in an object that's at least partially metal.
1:59: That's for not telling us about Melmetal beforehand!
2:03: Professor Oak is dead.
2:31: Gee, I wonder that too. I wonder if there's another region other than Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola, and eighth region, with a whole new generation of Pokemon. An eighth generation, Gen VIII.
2:34: GAH! Sudden narrator! And wow, he sounded so excited to be here...
2:39: "Solved by two brilliant Professors". Oh, who else was Willow talking to other than Oak?
So, yeah, now my actual thoughts on Melmetal. Taking into account its an evolution of Meltan, I think it's okay. Its essentially a Meltan placed in a bulky mech body, and with its tiny head it looks funny and adorable. I can see the Regigigas comparisons, but the additional bits of aesthetics (such as how it does its Signature Move) it has is enough that it doesn't really bother me. Though with the idea of liquid metal they could have been a bit more creative.
That said, what are Meltan's stats going to be? Because if its weaker than Melmetal, then what's the point of having it? Just make Meltan like the Zygarde Cores and Cells. Sure, it would be repeating a previously used idea, but then again so is sorta this with Poipole being an Ultra Beast that's able to evolve. But Poipole isn't a Mythical and you can easily evolve it.
And yeah, let's talk about that. Only way to get Melmetal is by evolving it in GO by feeding it 400 Meltan candies. Any Meltan you transferred to Let's Go can't evolve... So did you want us to use Melmetal or not? How long will it take to get enough Meltan candy to do that? And wasn't one of the idea of Let's Go is to allow kids you couldn't use GO to play GO? And now you have this Pokemon exclusive to only GO players? And how is this going to work for the Gen VIII games?
Unless it gets Serene Grace or Double Iron Bash has a high Flinch rate that it goes about 60% I don't think Iron Head Jirachi will be giving up its title soon.
And then GF pull a Victini by having a special Pokemon appear first in the Gen VIII dex before the Starters. :P
Not to mention this Melmetal could be hooked on Speed Candy boosts.
But would it be allowed?
Heatproof. Makes it both neutral to Fire-types and unable to be burned.
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It's only just occurred to me that it's going to already be November next week, so Game Freak and Pokémon wouldn't have much time left to win back any lost fans of these games, or older fans who are distraught by the development of these games. Normally, I'd just tell those people to be patient for a change until 2019, but with the changing of opinion I've had lately regarding Let's Go's development, and putting more thought into it, I think I can say that this might actually end up hurting them a small bit profit-wise. Contrary to my earlier opinion, I don't think this would be the right way to execute favoritism to a younger audience. The developers have to assume that, in this case, everyone in their target audience of 6+ year Olds (and a few genwunners, if that's still a thing) has both a smartphone and a Switch, and actually plays Pokémon Go and has been since 2016, since those players would have been getting more out of Go then people who just downloaded Go in, say, the past few months.
Now that I think about, Nintendo and the developers of these games in particular have been doing this quite frequently lately with other big game franchises as well, and no one seems to be noticing. Take Smash Ultimate, for example. Mr. Sakurai himself said that he wanted the game to appeal a wider casual audience (also throwing in a Smash Melee roast saying the game was targeted too much for a core audience lol). And a year before that, we have Mario Oddesey in 2017. That game was designed for casual players while also having core elements sprinkled on...
My point in the above comment is this: would core or casual audiences ultimately help bring in more profit and fan appreciation in the long run? I can't say much else at this point since Let's Go hasn't been released as of the time of this comment, but it's still an important factor to discuss imo. Personally, I wish we could all go back to the good old days when no one freaked out about new game announcements, all of my individual friends still loved Pokémon and hadn't moved onto their other cringy stuff, and when Pokémon games actually had replay value, rewarding challenge, and most of all, when the toxic half of the Internet didn't ruin this franchises reputation. Like seriously, the fanbase lately has been even worse than Smash 4.
I don't care who you are. That's sad.
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Now that I think about, Nintendo and the developers of these games in particular have been doing this quite frequently lately with other big game franchises as well, and no one seems to be noticing. Take Smash Ultimate, for example. Mr. Sakurai himself said that he wanted the game to appeal a wider casual audience (also throwing in a Smash Melee roast saying the game was targeted too much for a core audience lol). And a year before that, we have Mario Oddesey in 2017. That game was designed for casual players while also having core elements sprinkled on...
My point in the above comment is this: would core or casual audiences ultimately help bring in more profit and fan appreciation in the long run? I can't say much else at this point since Let's Go hasn't been released as of the time of this comment, but it's still an important factor to discuss imo. Personally, I wish we could all go back to the good old days when no one freaked out about new game announcements, all of my individual friends still loved Pokémon and hadn't moved onto their other cringy stuff, and when Pokémon games actually had replay value, rewarding challenge, and most of all, when the toxic half of the Internet didn't ruin this franchises reputation. Like seriously, the fanbase lately has been even worse than Smash 4.
I don't care who you are. That's sad.
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Please do not ruin my perfectly placed pokedex by giving them bad ideas! >:(
Honestly I can see its eventual ability having to do with steel/fire/electric in some way... Meltan is mentioned to absorb electricity and both Meltan and Melmetal are stated to eat metal.
I wonder if a "Steel version" of Flash Fire or something on those lines... who knows, it'll take a bit before we see Meltan and MelMetal in gen 8, unless they somehow make them transferable to USUM (which I doubt)
That actually made me wonder if they will ever let Prof.Willow actually feature in an actual main series game. I believe he's not even in PLGO either.
This is very much a "have your cake and eat it too" issue.
The ideal answer: both. You make a game that anyone can get into but then having parts difficult to master except to the dedicated/veteran fans. That was so great about the Battle Frontier, it was multiple Battle Towers but each had a gimmick that changed the way the game played (and you always had the Battle Tower for your normal single & double battles). Most players can play through the game just fine but only those who really got into the mechanics were able to play through the Battle Frontier.
However a more realistic answer is that a casual audience would bring in more money, BUT that doesn't equal fan appreciation if the game is "too" casual. It's a tricky thing to balance... and GF hadn't done that great of a balancing act. And the thing is I don't think it's actually that difficult with EVERYTHING that they've done... but the problem is GF always wants to innovate/do something new so they push every old mechanic aside be it well liked or hated. All to the dust bin to make room for more new mechanics which feels like they're just throwing ideas out there to see what sticks... not that it matters anyway.
I think the Pokemon fanbase has been riled up lately due to missteps on GF's part:
1. Skipping Z to push out Gen VII early to be in align with the 20th Anniversary.
2. USUM not being that much different from SM and having parts of it considered worse than SM (also questioning whether they needed to do two games, made sense for BW but not here...).
3. And now we have Let's Go which they are counting as a parallel to the main series and over the months revealed how stripped down of an experience it is.
4. That Masuda interview.
Giving Game Freak bad ideas is like giving the ocean more water.
Probably not, though you never know, Burnet was a side game Professor. Pokemon has so many characters from side games, many which are supposedly connected to the core series games, its either surprising more haven't just showed up for a cameo or they're trying to make the Pokemon World maybe feel big by not having such casual cameos (come on GF, you know you want to add Miror B into the core games in some way :P).
I've been waiting and waiting and still nothing. At this point I don't think they can do anything to bring me to buy PLG at full price. I despise every single new mechanic of this game, it's really not worth the price tag for me.
I think that's a common issue that most people (including me) have.
Even wanting to take the best parts of it, full 60 bucks is not worth it.
If PLGO was priced 40 I think there'd be much less annoyance at it, but heh "every single new Switch game must cost 60 bucks" I heard.
I'll probably get them just for my collection of games, but not actually play them. I collect the "main series" games, and once that's done, I was thinking of starting the spinoff collection. Unlike most collecters, I wouldn't be doing it for money, but just for the fun of being able to play every single Pokémon game I can.
If anyone cares for it, here's a video to the way some Pokemon in PLG move when they're out of their Poke Balls: yawn.
Also, here's how the games since XY have been doing by units sold as of September 30th, 2018:
XY: 16.34 million units
ORAS: 14.13 million units
SM: 16.13 million units
USUM: 7.96 million units
It's actually kind of insane that USUM couldn't even sell half as many units as SM did. I know it was basically the same game with a few new Pokemon, but not even half? Man I wonder how well PLG is going to do. Hopefully it tanks so they know this is not the right direction.
Also, here's how the games since XY have been doing by units sold as of September 30th, 2018:
XY: 16.34 million units
ORAS: 14.13 million units
SM: 16.13 million units
USUM: 7.96 million units
It's actually kind of insane that USUM couldn't even sell half as many units as SM did. I know it was basically the same game with a few new Pokemon, but not even half? Man I wonder how well PLG is going to do. Hopefully it tanks so they know this is not the right direction.
I don't think it necessarily the wrong direction, it appears to be a pattern that primary versions sell more than remakes and 3rd versions. Here:
RS: 16,220,00
LGFR: 12,000,000
E: 7,060,000
DP: 17.67 Million
BW: 15.64 Million
HGSS: 12.72 Million
BW2 7.81 Million
PT: 7.06 Million