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-FUCK- said:
ahhhh damn, my common sense was right heh heh, well still, its not like ALL hope is lost when they would just be my leads and I can hold some uber sweepers in the last 2 slots to clean up/take over in case regi fails. IDK, sceptile is outspeeding all these common leads so the worry seed is nearly garanteed so I dont know how it will completely fail, and gigas has some nice bulk in combination with his atk.
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Aerodactyl armed with Taunt seems to screw that up pretty easily. Or...well, anyone faster than Sceptile armed with Taunt. Or anyone faster than Sceptile that can just sweep in and OHKO.

I'm not a fan of Regigigas mostly because at least one other Pokemon needs to be tailored specifically to allow Regigigas to work proficiently and without that teammate, Regi is almost useless and completely predictable.
 
CCM30 said:
Aerodactyl armed with Taunt seems to screw that up pretty easily. Or...well, anyone faster than Sceptile armed with Taunt. Or anyone faster than Sceptile that can just sweep in and OHKO.

I'm not a fan of Regigigas mostly because at least one other Pokemon needs to be tailored specifically to allow Regigigas to work proficiently and without that teammate, Regi is almost useless and completely predictable.
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I'm pretty sure no one is going to be using an aerodactyl in VGC doubles, I mean seriously. Yeah he'll stop me in my case but wtf is that aerodactyl going to be doing against all these hyper offense teams with kyogre leads and shit? He's a sitting duck and wast of space against every other commn team it'll face here, so I'm pretty sure no one wants that kind of dead weight for their team. I can give sceptile focus sash to survive any scarf leads attack.


...Although fake out leads will definaly fuck me over.
 
-FUCK- said:
I'm pretty sure no one is going to be using an aerodactyl in VGC doubles, I mean seriously. Yeah he'll stop me in my case but wtf is that aerodactyl going to be doing against all these hyper offense teams with kyogre leads and shit? He's a sitting duck and wast of space against every other commn team it'll face here, so I'm pretty sure no one wants that kind of dead weight for their team. I can give sceptile focus sash to survive any scarf leads attack.


...Although fake out leads will definaly fuck me over.
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Yeah, true. Got me there, but Fake Out does do a bit of damage to that strat.
 
-FUCK- said:
I'm pretty sure no one is going to be using an aerodactyl in VGC doubles, I mean seriously. Yeah he'll stop me in my case but wtf is that aerodactyl going to be doing against all these hyper offense teams with kyogre leads and shit? He's a sitting duck and wast of space against every other commn team it'll face here, so I'm pretty sure no one wants that kind of dead weight for their team.
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NO NO NO NO NO. that is so not true
I personally love aerodactyl. He has base 130 speed and 105 attack. He is one of the fastest taunters in the game and the best part about him is the STAB rock slides that will cause many flinches.
 
thinking of running
Kyogre@ lum berry
kingdra/ludicolo@ leftovers
jolteon/electivire@ life orb
giratina@ griseous orb
 
-FUCK- said:
I'm pretty sure no one is going to be using an aerodactyl in VGC doubles, I mean seriously. Yeah he'll stop me in my case but wtf is that aerodactyl going to be doing against all these hyper offense teams with kyogre leads and shit? He's a sitting duck and wast of space against every other commn team it'll face here, so I'm pretty sure no one wants that kind of dead weight for their team. I can give sceptile focus sash to survive any scarf leads attack.


...Although fake out leads will definaly fuck me over.
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Ha! xD I used one last year at Nationals and got to Worlds! xD

Aero
Jolly
Rock Slide / Ice Fang / T Fang? / Earthquake?
 
mattj said:
Ha! xD I used one last year at Nationals and got to Worlds! xD

Aero
Jolly
Rock Slide / Ice Fang / T Fang? / Earthquake?
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I used Aero as well for VGC and it did very well until it missed over and over with rock slide. Very nice taunter as well as rock slide to try to stop those pesky follow me/trick room leads.
 
-FUCK- said:
I'm pretty sure no one is going to be using an aerodactyl in VGC doubles, I mean seriously. Yeah he'll stop me in my case but wtf is that aerodactyl going to be doing against all these hyper offense teams with kyogre leads and shit? He's a sitting duck and wast of space against every other commn team it'll face here, so I'm pretty sure no one wants that kind of dead weight for their team. I can give sceptile focus sash to survive any scarf leads attack.


...Although fake out leads will definaly fuck me over.
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Pokemon used Follow Me!
Sceptile used Worry Seed!
Pokemon gained the trait Insomnia!
OH SHIT
 
theamericandream38 said:
Pokemon used Follow Me!
Sceptile used Worry Seed!
Pokemon gained the trait Insomnia!
OH SHIT
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The only viable pokemon that learn follow me are clafable and togekiss, and again, thats a specialized situation, EVERY lead pair will have an exploidable weakness. Think your Kyogre and Palkia leads are going to mow down all other leads? Screen support + Curselax says hi. Think your trick room team is going to turn the tables against all these offensive teams? Oops, bronzong got taunted. It's not that one particular stradigy sucks, its just that everyone will have to do the best they can to cover for every situation.

I'll admit I forgot about Follow Me, but that play is seen from miles away thanks to how limited the users are for that move. I'll play around it, just like other teams have to play around their weaknesses.
 
-FUCK- said:
The only viable pokemon that learn follow me are clafable and togekiss, and again, thats a specialized situation, EVERY lead pair will have an exploidable weakness. Think your Kyogre and Palkia leads are going to mow down all other leads? Screen support + Curselax says hi. Think your trick room team is going to turn the tables against all these offensive teams? Oops, bronzong got taunted. It's not that one particular stradigy sucks, its just that everyone will have to do the best they can to cover for every situation.

I'll admit I forgot about Follow Me, but that play is seen from miles away thanks to how limited the users are for that move. I'll play around it, just like other teams have to play around their weaknesses.
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Smeargle is also popular with Follow Me, and you already recognized that Fake Out, another very popular move, would give you trouble. I'm not saying that you shouldn't consider that team at all, but you may be better off running a tried-and-true team than trying to be cute and end up getting bit in the ass when you're playing for big prizes. I have always said that the best team is a team that can run it's own strategy given the opportunity to set it up, but also adapt to the strategies of others and come out on top regardless of the opponent.
 
theamericandream38 said:
Smeargle is also popular with Follow Me, and you already recognized that Fake Out, another very popular move, would give you trouble. I'm not saying that you shouldn't consider that team at all, but you may be better off running a tried-and-true team than trying to be cute and end up getting bit in the ass when you're playing for big prizes. I have always said that the best team is a team that can run it's own strategy given the opportunity to set it up, but also adapt to the strategies of others and come out on top regardless of the opponent.
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...On a serious note, I'm fully aware getting far with a Regigigas team is highly unlikely, and it's not about trying to be "cute" either, its simply the challange of trying to make something that is typicaly scoffed at, work, which I find enjoyable. The games about having fun anyways.
 
Hell, a Regigigas team may work under suitable conditions. And if you go out victorious, then I commend you for it.

But, just as you will have fun attempting (and possibly be successful) to win, someone will have just as much fun beating the snot out of you on the other end of the spectrum.
 
Yeah but with the type of prizes on the line, I'm sure there's more fun to be had in winning trips to compete in Nationals/Worlds than trying to win with a "gimmicky" team. However, there is nothing wrong with having an element of unpredictability in your team. It's just Regigigas is predictable, and if you are looking to sweep with a fast pokemon on the physical side, there are many better options that outclass Regigigas that don't require you to waste another pokemon slot to help set up.
 
freezer lost in second round in Paris against a normal hail team using scep+regi combo, it sounds good on paper, but then it struggles horribly against any prepared team. But yeah, i'll be glad if you use it against me xD
 
I know almost everyone here is against the regigigas idea anyways, but I was just wondering why people like -FUCK- think it would be worthwhile even if it was pulled off.

Regigigas is a groudon without the auto-sun ability that has a bit more attack, sp. def. and speed A BIT

He also has a pretty shallow physical movepool when it comes to high base powers, the only notable ones being return, superpower and crush grip (which is very situational). plus, he can't even learn protect.

In addition to that, his 100 base speed is definitely not enough to be used as a proper sweeper, seeing as not only scarfers and swift swim/chlorophyll user outspeed him, but also the every common lati@s, gengar, crobat, azelf, electrode, and god knows what else do as well.

I dunno it just seems like regigigas is a waste of time because it needs some support that might not ever work to actually function. And even if the gimmicky strategy did suceed, you would just be left with a mini-uber that can't switch or use protect (making it a free meal) for everyone.

I mean really, after you get slow start taken away then what do you do? use the elemental punches when you are outsped by a third of the metagame? that's basically all you can do with regigigas really. AND since you can't protect or switch your opponent will have no need to predict and just focus all attacks on regigigas.

I used to want to make a regigigas team work too, it would have been really awesome wouldn't it? but the fact is that regigigas can't really do much of anything, not even STALL because it can't learn protect.

So you're really just wasting two slots of your team, even if its a gimmick team, because once the gimmick is pulled off it fails.
 
Im going to say something real simple that I thought of. An electrode with explosion, mirror coat, protect, sucker punch @ focus sash..... Its an option:)
 
CrazySnorlax said:
Im going to say something real simple that I thought of. An electrode with explosion, mirror coat, protect, sucker punch @ focus sash..... Its an option:)
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if you're planning on mirror coating water spout, partner's attack is going to kill you. if you're planning on exploding, you risk exploding into a protect.
 
If nobody has succeeded with it already at a tournament, it likely doesn't work.

I cite this fairly recent xkcd as an example: http://www.xkcd.com/675/

Whatever it is, someone's probably looked at it before and found it not good enough to use. While yes there are exceptions, and ultimately the winner will be someone who uses a team that breaks the mould (just look at Tsuji and Mano last year), if it's not popular it's for a reason. And if it seems ultimately good on paper you probably need to do some more research and you'll find it isn't as powerful as you thought it was.

On a similar note, look at my ridiculous gravity rain team from last year. Were it not for the grand deus ex machina that was "Illegal Blissey Guy", I wouldn't have got past second round. Literally I just lost the battle and then a dude in a labcoat appeared and told me I was up to the next round because the guy I just lost to had a Blissey in his party (unused in battle) with an illegal moveset.

Also sorry but that Electrode is pretty rubbish. Mirror coat is next to useless, and Electrode's too weak an attacker. It gets ruined by steels and ghosts also, and there's no point it having an unreliable priority when it's the second fastest Pokémon you could possibly use. Electrode's explosion too is pretty lacklustre and what's the point in wasting your speed for a countering attack that might not even work? Not intending to sound harsh, but there's not really any other way to go about it. You just have to think practically when it comes to VGC in particular. And you can only get better with experience I guess.
 
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