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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!

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Use of stat-boosting moves is, in general, a bad idea in VGC or doubles (esp VGC with the powerful UBERs roaming around). However, They can be used, Lugia with CM, Groudon with RP or/and SD (though 2 is an overkill imho) are both viable.
 
Carrying stat boosters isn't the worst idea, but it won't be very easy setting them up. Also, just like normal competitive battling, boosters that gain +2 per stat are a better idea. +2 in a stat saves time.
 
CM isn't a good idea, not unless it's a bulky Pokemon and won't be taken out easily. It also can't have weaknesses to common attacking types in VGC, like Dragon Grass, or Water.

I saw someone destroy in the VGC over in Japan w/ a Calm Minding Lugia, as well as a Dialga who came in and Psyched Up all those CM boosts.
 
Now that the hockey game just ended in favor of Canada, someone here from the US needs to win. We need something in national taste, even if it is Pokemon.
 
Lol. I'm sure over half of the people in this forum would be more than happy to take up that offer. The problem is Pokemon isn't a national taste in America....After you hit the age of 15 your considered too old to play Pokemon.
 
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Now that the hockey game just ended in favor of Canada, someone here from the US needs to win. We need something in national taste, even if it is Pokemon.
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this would be great.
however, beating our eastern hemi friends will be just incredibly hard (near impossible) as it is really their main meta -_-

Rein said:
CM isn't a good idea, not unless it's a bulky Pokemon and won't be taken out easily. It also can't have weaknesses to common attacking types in VGC, like Dragon Grass, or Water.

I saw someone destroy in the VGC over in Japan w/ a Calm Minding Lugia, as well as a Dialga who came in and Psyched Up all those CM boosts.
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exactly, that's prtty much a given. Only ones that I can actually see that can pull CM off are...well Kyogre, Lugia, and Cresselia at the moment. psych up, however, is an incredibly uncommon and rather "gimmicky" move, which one shouldn't consider as a main threat though.

however...i really wish one of the smogon gyus will win lol
 
this would be great.
however, beating our eastern hemi friends will be just incredibly hard (near impossible) as it is really their main meta -_-
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As I said, over half the people in this forum, or even on Smogon would be more than happy to give it their all and represent America.

That is true, not only because of the meta, but also because a lot of the Japanese and probably the Koreans (I don't know much bout Korea...) are better at tactical thinking, etc. It's not that Americans are stupid or anything like that, it's just that a lot of the Japanese focus on this kind of stuff more than we do and are willing to spend hours and hours until they have an absolutely flawless team.

exactly, that's prtty much a given. Only ones that I can actually see that can pull CM off are...well Kyogre, Lugia, and Cresselia at the moment. psych up, however, is an incredibly uncommon and rather "gimmicky" move, which one shouldn't consider as a main threat though.
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Psych Up shouldn't be used in VGC, I was just saying that because it's what happened in the video I saw (I don't have a link for it). I don't know if Kyogre is the best CMinder, as everyone will be ready to finish him off as quickly as possible (seeing how common he will be). Most teams will also be carrying Grass Knot, which he won't enjoy at all. That, and Cresselia is always a target for Mewtwo. Cress always has trouble w/ Taunt in the VGC.


I don't care who wins, just an American. Hopefully against a Canadian. In overtime.
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That would be a historic battle. We all know how most Americans look down on Canadians, and vice versa (I don't know how or who started that).

Just...Epic....
 
Has Scizor been common in VGC so far? I'm thinking of running a Swords Dance Scizor. Most likely SD won't be used, but if I have the opportunity, no harm in getting one off.
 
He has been somewhat common. He has been used, but not as much as Metagross, Clefable, Togekiss, or even Shiftry or Ludicolo.

SD Scizor should work pretty well, but the weakness to Groudon's Fire Punch, Ray's Overheat and Palkia's Fire Blast mean you have to be carefull and have a Pokemon that resists attacks aimed at Scizor, just like you would in singles. Kyogre and Palkia are great partners, because Palkia double resists fire and can face other Palkia, and Kyogre's Rain dampens Fire attacks. 4x weaknesses are even more risky thx to all the variant Ubers like Mewtwo, Palkia and Ray.
 
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He has been somewhat common. He has been used, but not as much as Metagross, Clefable, Togekiss, or even Shiftry or Ludicolo.

SD Scizor should work pretty well, but the weakness to Groudon's Fire Punch, Ray's Overheat and Palkia's Fire Blast mean you have to be carefull and have a Pokemon that resists attacks aimed at Scizor, just like you would in singles. Kyogre and Palkia are great partners, because Palkia double resists fire and can face other Palkia, and Kyogre's Rain dampens Fire attacks. 4x weaknesses are even more
risky thx to all the variant Ubers like Mewtwo, Palkia and Ray.
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Well, I'm running Kyogre and Palkia alongside of it. I figure that Kyogre's rain will dampen the power of the fire moves you suggested, though I doubt with Kyogre and Palkia on the field that I have to worry about Groudon and the like being around when Scizor pops in.

Plus, Swords Dance with Scizor means an even stronger Bug Bite STAB (thanks to Technician and Life Orb, even stronger), as well as a stronger Bullet Punch and Pursuit.

Unless you think there are better options, but I think Scizor can work.
 
Canadian, American, doesn't matter to imo since (though it is said to be said this way) it's pretty unlikely that any competitor from each country will win against the Japanese who are constantly enjoying the huge meta of vgc they have over there. Psych up could be used but it should never be considered anything more than a gimmick or a surprise factor. I don't know if Kyogre is the best CMer or not but just like any other meta, he pretty much centralizes the game as he is obviously the most used/abused pokemon in this current metagame. Kyogre is just great because it can pretty much do almost anything: Tank (w/ or w/o CM), TR, Scarfer, Offensive Ogre, fantastic supporter, and more.
 
His infamous Bullet Punch can finish of weakened Tyranitar, while Bug Bite hits the evr so common Ludicolo, Mewtwo, Shiftry, Cress, Abomasnow, Weavile, Lati@s, Exeggutor, and Azelf for Super Effective damage+STAB+Technician and has the handy side affect of stealing berries. He would make a good rain dance Pokemon, as well as a good cover for Hail teams, walling most Pokemon on them.

Those are some good reasons of using him, but outside of that, he really doesn't have much utility in VGC....

He can also be given Brick Break/Super Power to stop TR teams (Covers Dialga, Clefable.....)

This might also be risky, but he can support your team with Tailwind. I saw someone use Tailwind on their Togekiss, and it seemed to work pretty well........

he pretty much centralizes the game as he is obviously the most used/abused pokemon in this current metagame. Kyogre is just great because it can pretty much do almost anything: Tank (w/ or w/o CM), TR, Scarfer, Offensive Ogre, fantastic supporter, and more.
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I can't disagree. Kyogre is beast, and one must always consider him as a threat on their VGC team. I don't think he will be the best CM in VGC this year because every one will be packing Grass Knot because of all the heavy Ubers. Kyogre also has to worry of people taking advantage of the rain he brings by carrying Thunder. And over half the time, Kyogres will be slow to set up Rain.
 
Rein said:
His infamous Bullet Punch can finish of weakened Tyranitar, while Bug Bite hits the evr so common Ludicolo, Mewtwo, Shiftry, Cress, Abomasnow, Weavile, Lati@s, Exeggutor, and Azelf for Super Effective damage+STAB+Technician and has the handy side affect of stealing berries. He would make a good rain dance Pokemon, as well as a good cover for Hail teams, walling most Pokemon on them.

Those are some good reasons of using him, but outside of that, he really doesn't have much utility in VGC....
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That's actually sort of why I'm using him, as my team has trouble dealing with a good number of those you made mention to. Bug Bite is just ridiculous.

And I was gonna use Brick Break, but I already have a Toxicroak running with Low Kick for the likes of Dialga.
 
I love how Scizor almost completely destroys Mewtwo, because Mewtwo rarely carries Flamethrower and focuses more on Sp. Defense because of all the Specially oriented Ubers. If you have Toxi than you don't really need a fighting attack, unless your afraid Toxicroak will be KO'd too early. Other than Dialga, fighting attacks don't hit anything else besides Tyranitar (who won't enjoy Water SPout / Aqua Tail), Clefable (who isn't that much of a threat, more of an annoyance bcause of Follow Me), and Weavile (who cries in the face of Bug Bite, and completely destroyed by Bullet Punch).
 
Rein said:
I love how Scizor almost completely destroys Mewtwo, because Mewtwo rarely carries Flamethrower and focuses more on Sp. Defense because of all the Specially oriented Ubers. If you have Toxi than you don't really need a fighting attack, unless your afraid Toxicroak will be KO'd too early. Other than Dialga, fighting attacks don't hit anything else besides Tyranitar (who won't enjoy Water SPout / Aqua Tail), Clefable (who isn't that much of a threat, more of an annoyance bcause of Follow Me), and Weavile (who cries in the face of Bug Bite, and completely destroyed by Bullet Punch).
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Toxicroak is there to deal with Dialga if it shows up early (because its pretty common, especially on TR teams), as well as being a Fake Out lead, have the Sucker Punch priority and allowing Kyogre to use Surf whenever it pleases (thanks to Dry Skin).|

Yes, I'm using Surf over Water Spout. Only because I'm sure a majority of the time Kyogre will never get a fully-powered Water Spout off because of his status in Ubers and my particular Kyogre being ridiculously slow.
 
Well, last year the US was not represented by two certain pokemon masters, so if those 2 happen to be picked by the lottery, you can be sure America will win ;)
 
Surf on Kyogre is usually a better idea than Water Spout. Water Spout is horrifyingly powerful, but considering over half of Kyogre are made slow to get rain over Groudon means having full HP is nearly impossible. That and everyone goes all-out on Kyogre in fear of Water Spout. It also doesn't help that Grass Knot is a threat.

BTW, make sure your Scizor has Pursuit/Night Slash/Theif to take care of Shedinja (Rain Teams worst nightmare and greatest annoyance).
 
Definatley Infernape. Scizor is helpless against groudon and doesn't have Infernape's utility(fake out, encore). Scizor's too slow and Bullet Punch is resisted by Kyogre and Palkia who are extremely common.
 
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