SS Azumarill is lolworthy. If you want to beat Ferrothorn, just use Superpower...
weeeee, making up calcs!Rayquaza_ said:Poliwrath lacks a solid STAB to OHKO Ferrothorn, while Power Whip is a clean OHKO in return.
I don't understand what Sap Sipper Azumarill actually does. You have 219 Atk - that's less than 0 Atk Gliscor. You can't lay hazards. You can't Roar/Whirlwind. To counter something you need to switch into it and threaten it, or regain momentum for your own team. Sap Sipper Azumarill does neither. If anything, Ferrothorn counters SS Azumarill because he can come in on anything (even Choice Band Superpower to an extent...averages around 50%) and lay hazards. It's a waste of a team slot. Forget about it.Rayquaza_ said:I agree that Sap Sipper Azumarill is great in a monowater team and should be your main counter to most grass types.
Poliwrath lacks a solid STAB to OHKO Ferrothorn, while Power Whip is a clean OHKO in return.
Sharpedo isn't going to OHKO Celebi anytime soon.
I agree that Sap Sipper Azumarill is great in a monowater team and should be your main counter to most grass types.
Encore allows Gyara to set up, basically, and it attempts to status switchins with Scald or Toxic. There's also Soak/Toxic for Ferro, but it's incompatible with Encore...I don't understand what Sap Sipper Azumarill actually does.
True, you need SR though.im sure adamant 252 attack life orb crunch OHKOes offensive nasty plot celebi.
It's never an OHKO. Even with the highest possible damage roll and stealth rocks on the field, Celebi lives with 1%.what?
im sure adamant 252 attack life orb crunch OHKOes offensive nasty plot celebi.
I'll agree that he's a problem and needs to be considered as a threat, but seriously there have been many ideas listed here for taking out Ferrothorn and after talking to someone testing a mono-water, he describes some of the biggest threats as Gastrodon and boosting dragons. Ferrothorn requires a good team to beat him, but he does not deserve this much discussion. Making a list of other threats would be a good use of time I think.Ferrothorn is public enemy number one, so make sure you have a concrete plan for dealing with him. Luring him out doesn't count!
all of which have been either gimmicks (Soak Octillery), useless Pokemon (Sap Sipper Azumarill), or lures (take your pick).but seriously there have been many ideas listed here for taking out Ferrothorn
^Good point, it's easy to forget just how powerful our STABs are going to be under rain, and a good Specs user will devastate no matter what the opposing team is (Liking Vaporeon, but has anyone considered Specs Jellicent? Water Spout has dat power, but of course using Specs Jellicent means losing a great Support poke)The best way for a Water-type to power through Ferrothorn is, imo, raw power. If Ferrothorn risks a 3 or even 2HKO by switching into your STAB it puts the opponent in a bit of a bad position. For example, Specs Rotom-W and Specs Vaporeon both deal a good amount of damage with Hydro Pump in the rain. They can't necessarily switch in safely (Gyarados is probably the "best" switch in), but Ferro has difficulty switching in to sponge their attacks too.
completely. Thing about SubDD gyara though is its moveslot syndrome. Bounce seems pretty important right now, as most people are saying that Gyarados is one of the few ways to semi-reliably remove bulky grass-types, and combined with Waterfall, that greatly reduces his coverage. He's gonna need a couple DDs to sweep, and Rotom-W hard walls him almost no matter what.Style of team=balanced
Victory condition (imo): SubDD or Taunt DD gyarados