Hmm, true, although only having three or four moves boosted by SF that is viable in competitive battles doesn't help much, but U-turn is always loved by Scarfers, and Honchkrow probably wishes it had U-turn.
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Rarely Used (RU) Tier
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Honch isnt the best Scarfer in the tier anyway. Primeape, Tauros, Moltres, Scyther and many others are much better for the task, being even better than Braviary, IMO.
Honch should abuse any broken submoxie set or just the mixed "RU Mence" set.
Also, StallMandibuzz, you only need 3 NPs to max out Stak.
Honch should abuse any broken submoxie set or just the mixed "RU Mence" set.
Also, StallMandibuzz, you only need 3 NPs to max out Stak.
Braviary doesn't learn Nasty Plot. Even though Vullaby and Mandibuzz are female counterparts to Rufflet and Braviary, Rufflet can't gain any egg moves because he's a male-only Pokemon. Vullaby can because she's female. Even if Braviary had NP, it would take 3 or 4 to make it even sort of viable because of his garbage base 57 Special Attack. It was a decent idea though.And the Toxic-staller set does sound pretty good.
lol whoops, I was thinking Mandibuzz. Yeah, Braviary couldn't pull off a special sweep for his life. A scarf Braviary may work, however, I find him to be outclassed by Swellow.
Well, regardless, Braviary still would fail at a Sp. Attack sweep even if it did get NP.
Ignoring the Nasty Plot slip-up for now, why on earth would Braviary run a stall set when his sister Mandibuzz has everything better but Attack (which isn't THAT required on a stall set)?
How do you guys think Relicanth would do? I mean, in TR, CB Head Smash would hurt like hell.
Relicanth's defensive typing isn't actually that bad in this tier; it makes a decent physical tank to come in on Moxie Honchkrow, Durant, Entei, Swellow and some other less common things like Samurott. CB Head Smash hits like nothing else and it can set SR pretty reliably against the mentioned threats. The only thing holding it back is lack of recovery really because it can hit hard for a tank which is always nice. I remember meeting one for the first time and losing two of my Pokemon because of its ridiculously powerful Head Smash.
Awesome, I love Relicanth. He looks a lot like Armaldo to compare as in; He can be defensive or offensive, but not totally at the same time. Perhaps a support set?
Physical Wall/Hazard Setter
Relicanth (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Protect
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash
I modelled this off of my successful armaldo set. Too bad relic doesnt get more useful moves like knock off. Stealth Rock first off, is very useful. Protect I've found is EXTREMELY useful, infact one of the best moves in the game IMO. Gives lefties recovery for free, scouts out movesets, locks opponents into choice, stalls for toxic/burn/etc damage on opponent. Head smash will hurt even from his relatively low attack, and i chose adamant because his defense is already high and it was needed to boost waterfall a bit, which I couldn't find anything else to replace. Now obviously any grass pokemon will wreck his shit, so don't be stupid, and get him out of there if a special attacker comes in that could kill him. Not sure about this set, just made it in theory.
Physical Wall/Hazard Setter
Relicanth (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Protect
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash
I modelled this off of my successful armaldo set. Too bad relic doesnt get more useful moves like knock off. Stealth Rock first off, is very useful. Protect I've found is EXTREMELY useful, infact one of the best moves in the game IMO. Gives lefties recovery for free, scouts out movesets, locks opponents into choice, stalls for toxic/burn/etc damage on opponent. Head smash will hurt even from his relatively low attack, and i chose adamant because his defense is already high and it was needed to boost waterfall a bit, which I couldn't find anything else to replace. Now obviously any grass pokemon will wreck his shit, so don't be stupid, and get him out of there if a special attacker comes in that could kill him. Not sure about this set, just made it in theory.
I'd actually suggest using a rock polish set instead of trick room, because then you aren't worrying about the trick room running out.
It worked very well for me in gen 4 NU, but then again that was a completely different meta game so I can't draw comparisons.
It worked very well for me in gen 4 NU, but then again that was a completely different meta game so I can't draw comparisons.
Relicanth would like Earthquake somewhere for a SE hit on steels, probably over Protect. His attack stat isn't THAT good, so Waterfall won't be doing too much damage. If you want to use this in TR, then Protect does little more than waste a valuable turn.
Electivire gets stopped by a long list of defensive walls and tanks in the tier. It's a good Shell Smash receiver but apart from that it is well and truly NU material I'm afraid.
Does anyone see Articuno becoming more popular? The SR weakness really holds her back, but she could potentially be one of the best stallers in RU with her mammoth special bulk and Pressure. Rapid Spin support is easy to find in this tier as well. She doesn't need to compete with Zapdos, Chansey, or Blissey for a team spot either.
The problem is Articuno has a ton of common weaknesses, especially in a tier where a lot of teams are prepared for bug types. (Fire and rock) Articuno has a pretty awful movepool and it's bulky is severely hindered by it's horrible defensive type. Articuno could still probably do a decent job in stalling but I doubt it'd be top tier, mid tier or even RU at all thanks to it's horrible defensive type, and horrible movepool.
I don't disagree with the gist of your statement BUT Articuno has a fantastic support move-pool. Roar, Haze, Toxic, Roost, Rest/talk, Heal Bell, Substitute, Swagger, Tailwind, all of the weathers etc. (The only oddity is that it gets Reflect but not Light Screen)
So it's just typing and certainly not moves holding Articuno back. 4x weakness to rock is just devastating to a wall.
Well, spinning away SR isn't the hardest thing to do in this tier (hence why Mega is so overused) and if you *really* want to get rid of stealth rocks you can always use foresight+rapid spin Blasty.
Oh, and as for actual rock-type attacking moves other than Stealth Rock, you can just use a set like: (Roost/Substitute/Ice Beam/Toxic or Roar) and you'll stall out Stone Edge PPs in no time. I can see that type of set working more than decently if anyone really put an effort to making a team around him.
Oh, and as for actual rock-type attacking moves other than Stealth Rock, you can just use a set like: (Roost/Substitute/Ice Beam/Toxic or Roar) and you'll stall out Stone Edge PPs in no time. I can see that type of set working more than decently if anyone really put an effort to making a team around him.
Rock-type moves and the ubiquitous Stealth Rock screws with Moltres and to a lesser extent, Zapdos too. Hell, it screws with lots of Pokes, and since Xatu is the only Magic Bounce Pokemon in the tier, it might possibly get some usage to keep SR away. Magic Coat might see more usage too.
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