Hey guys. When you play porygon with Hyper Beam, sharpen and recover, do you prefer to have reflect or thunder wave in the 4th slot? Or possibly something else?
2024 update: Still no changes.I have an update for this ladder tier list—but it's not an "update" in the sense that I'm changing any of my stated opinions or tier placements. I'm actually just here to reaffirm that everything I posted here is still 100% accurate for ladder play. In fact, the more I learn about the game, the more I discover how right I was about literally everything from the start. Things aren't supposed to work that way, but they just sort of did. I don't like patting myself on the back, but it would be remiss not to acknowledge the immaculate precision of this tier list. You know how Newton figured out the laws of gravity, and we still use them, untouched, 400 years later? That's gonna be this tier list for RBY laddering. If you want ladder success, take this tier list to heart. Seriously.
(That said, bear in mind that this tier list was conceived by applying competitive/high level tournament strategy to ladder, as opposed to typical ladder strategy. If you're new to laddering, or don't take laddering all that seriously, this tier list may not seem very intuitive—regardless, this is as about as definitive as you can get.)
Lol I do appreciate you mentioning how powerful para chancey is. I’m at the point where I’ll lead Tauros just to challenge slp and bait out para. I never feel behind when I’ve got para chan… i mean when you catch para with bolt beam vs a team with chancey and starmie… gg2024 update: Still no changes.
The tier list I created back in 2022 is still perfectly accurate.
The usual pick for this is Jynx.So I'm wondering like, if you wanted your lead to get a freeze on the opponent who would you choose ?
Ice Beam Starmie's a good one. For freeze purposes, Blizzard has half the PP and is less accurate. The drop in power is more acceptable to deal with here if you intend for Starmie to be sacked to sleep. Between accuracy, PP, bulk, and speed, this would be the best freeze lead option IMO.So I'm wondering like, if you wanted your lead to get a freeze on the opponent who would you choose ?
Your team is annoying to deal with and makes my life difficult.I have been playing a cheesy poison core for a week in ladder, it has been fun and I think there is some untapped potential in this strat. I even saw a few of my opponents trying it out. Using Toxic Zapdos with this exact Snorlax set to setup a Snorlax sweep is a very old ladder combo, and this is my take on that strat.
Imagine my complete lack of surprise that Laxless teams have proven to be perfectly functional in both ladder and RBY Cup this year. No—the only surprising thing is how long it took you fucking people to realize it when I've been saying this shit (with hard evidence and perfectly reasonable argumentation) since 2022. To all those who mocked or doubted me for this belief, I await your apologies! :)2024 update: Still no changes.
The tier list I created back in 2022 is still perfectly accurate.
Eeveeto's vr shouldnt be taken as anything more than an opinion. (Not trying to get into my opinions on them too much so ill stop there.)Imagine my complete lack of surprise that Laxless teams have proven to be perfectly functional in both ladder and RBY Cup this year. No—the only surprising thing is how long it took you fucking people to realize it when I've been saying this shit (with hard evidence and perfectly reasonable argumentation) since 2022. To all those who mocked or doubted me for this belief, I await your apologies! :)
No changes to my ladder tier list, by the way. It's still perfect.
Considering the entire reason this "Ladder Jank" thread even exists is because I dared to post "Snorlax is the least necessary of the big 3" in the VR thread, which made the regulars clutch their pearls in shock and terror? No, I do not think you have known that "for a while," or at least not longer than I have. I'm gonna go ahead and declare myself to be the first person to express the idea with confidence.Weve known laxless has been doable for a while.
"Snorlax is the least necessary of the big 3"
We havent known snorlax is the least necessary because it isnt. That title goes to chansey.No, I do not think you have known that "for a while,"
Eeveeto would disagree with you + Chansey is the most necessary. She is the ultimate special wall and status absorber. Her role is indispensable.We havent known snorlax is the least necessary because it isnt. That title goes to chansey.
Eeveeto would disagree with you + Chansey is the most necessary. She is the ultimate special wall and status absorber. Her role is indispensable.
Tauros is also indispensable, but if indispensability can be expressed in degrees, Chansey is more indispensable.
Snorlax is not indispensable.
I just don't understand how anyone could rank Chansey this low when spreading status is pretty much THE win condition of the meta, and Chansey is THE #1 status absorber in the game. Going without Chansey puts your whole team in danger of status, since nothing else can tolerate getting paralyzed quite like Chansey. Sure, Rest is a move, but it's also a move that can lose you a lot of tempo. Softboiled loses you a lot less tempo.The actual winner of RBY Cup of this year, Excal, actually has Chansey 4th and Exeggutor 3rd, also mentioning in fact that Egg could end up 2nd instead of Lax (this is something I can get behind to, my own VR had Egg 4th but I almost put it 3rd instead of Lax).
I just don't understand how anyone could rank Chansey this low when spreading status is pretty much THE win condition of the meta, and Chansey is THE #1 status absorber in the game. Going without Chansey puts your whole team in danger of status, since nothing else can tolerate getting paralyzed quite like Chansey. Sure, Rest is a move, but it's also a move that can lose you a lot of tempo. Softboiled loses you a lot less tempo.
Maybe it comes down to preference in playstyle, but I just don't get why Chansey being dispensable seems to be such a popular meme right now.
Well, tell that to Amaranth and everyone who raked me over the fucking coals for DARING to suggest that you could build a tournament-winningly good team without Snorlax. In fact, don't just tell them that—harass them with it for eternity, because that is what they deserve.I thought you were just memeing, but Laxless teams were a thing for over a decade. i remember when I started playing back then, that several teams opted to play with Gar + Egg + a faster attacker and would go Laxless. Not to mention teams like that JynxMie + CloyDon team that took off in like 2018 that didn’t run Lax. From my own team collection Water + GolDon + Electric teams I made wouldn’t run Lax and I’d top ladder with them occasionally over the years. And then there’s teams that run Porygon or Cloy instead of Lax to capitalize on their unique benefits.
If you want some more examples. here’s a team dump from Ortheore from back in 2016, several teams are Laxless and/or Chanseyless.
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Really appreciated this list back in the day and I still do now. Some of those teams are still fun to use.
you’re almost 30 please stop crashing out over a children’s videogameWell, tell that to Amaranth and everyone who raked me over the fucking coals for DARING to suggest that you could build a tournament-winningly good team without Snorlax. In fact, don't just tell them that—harass them with it for eternity, because that is what they deserve.