Stone Edge will be doing the same damage as Payback in any case, so it doesn't really matter
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Reuniclus
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The previously suggested burn-absorption strategy seems to work really well. BY switching to WOW or Boiling Water, little homunculus teddy cell-organelle thingy can nullify status danger. If it can pull this off, Rankurusu will be status-proof and ready for set-up against bulkier mons!
Yeah exactly lol. I definitely think Payback > Stone Edge since it gets good coverage with Drain Punch and is more reliable in the long run. Gliscor can't stall out your PP with Protect and you hit the usual switch-ins to Fighting moves for SE.
The only thing I can think of that can wall Dark + Fighting is Toxicraok,so Payback is definitively better.
as well as Heracross
Uh, ok. For one this is a Rankurusu thread but I'm going to address these points.
Payback is not definitively better than Stone Edge. It's not even arguably better. What do you hit Payback with? Ghosts and Psychics. What Ghosts do you encounter in OU?
Shandera: OHKO either way
Gengar: OHKO either way
Burungeru: Bulk Up fodder. eventual OHKO with either move.
And that's it really. What Psychics do you see? Doesn't matter, you should always switch against Psychics that pack STAB Psychic like Rankurusu, Espeon because they will kill you. Now what does Stone Edge hit? Fire, Flying, Ice and Bug. Those are two types that resist fighting like Payback, but Stone Edge hits Psychics and Ghosts much harder than Payback hits these. Tell me, with Payback how exactly to you kill Ulgamoth, Gyarados, Zapdos, Dragonite, Salamence, etc.
The coverage and power are simply better, as is the crit chance. The only thing is the accuracy and you can use Rock Slide if you REALLY want to. Point is with Roo's stats and the current metagame Rock is better than Dark for coverage.
As for the above two scenarios: Why would Gliscor Protect stall you when it can Acrobat? And if it doesn't have Acrobat then a smart player would Bulk Up on the Protect turns and preserve Stone Edge PP until you have enough Bulk Ups, like 3 or 4. Yes you can Taunt but if you poisoned him and he used Bulk Up on the switch that's still a +2 Stone Edge with a high crit ratio. It isn't certain you'll out stall that.
As for Toxicroak, it may resist Fighting moves but Roopushin can beat it with brute force. Toxicroack isn't exactly bulky and even one BU will give Toxicroak significant trouble as it keeps getting it Subs broken and never gets a chance to Sword Dance.
Now, as for Rankurusu finally vs Roopushin, even if most Roopushin invest in they're SpD their Df is naturally higher and get's raised by Bulk Up every time AND Psycho Shock has less BP. If you're coming in on a Roopushin that has a +1 or +2 under it's belt and you try Psycho Shock you actually won't kill it, unlike Psychic which always will. Considering Roopushin is #3 in usage and Blissey/Chansey are somewhere in the 40's at least, which threat are you going to prepare for? Plus, as was stated ALL Blissey can do thanks to Magic Guard is Seismic Toss or Wish while you CM to +6 and Recover the damage.
Payback is not definitively better than Stone Edge. It's not even arguably better. What do you hit Payback with? Ghosts and Psychics. What Ghosts do you encounter in OU?
Shandera: OHKO either way
Gengar: OHKO either way
Burungeru: Bulk Up fodder. eventual OHKO with either move.
And that's it really. What Psychics do you see? Doesn't matter, you should always switch against Psychics that pack STAB Psychic like Rankurusu, Espeon because they will kill you. Now what does Stone Edge hit? Fire, Flying, Ice and Bug. Those are two types that resist fighting like Payback, but Stone Edge hits Psychics and Ghosts much harder than Payback hits these. Tell me, with Payback how exactly to you kill Ulgamoth, Gyarados, Zapdos, Dragonite, Salamence, etc.
The coverage and power are simply better, as is the crit chance. The only thing is the accuracy and you can use Rock Slide if you REALLY want to. Point is with Roo's stats and the current metagame Rock is better than Dark for coverage.
As for the above two scenarios: Why would Gliscor Protect stall you when it can Acrobat? And if it doesn't have Acrobat then a smart player would Bulk Up on the Protect turns and preserve Stone Edge PP until you have enough Bulk Ups, like 3 or 4. Yes you can Taunt but if you poisoned him and he used Bulk Up on the switch that's still a +2 Stone Edge with a high crit ratio. It isn't certain you'll out stall that.
As for Toxicroak, it may resist Fighting moves but Roopushin can beat it with brute force. Toxicroack isn't exactly bulky and even one BU will give Toxicroak significant trouble as it keeps getting it Subs broken and never gets a chance to Sword Dance.
Now, as for Rankurusu finally vs Roopushin, even if most Roopushin invest in they're SpD their Df is naturally higher and get's raised by Bulk Up every time AND Psycho Shock has less BP. If you're coming in on a Roopushin that has a +1 or +2 under it's belt and you try Psycho Shock you actually won't kill it, unlike Psychic which always will. Considering Roopushin is #3 in usage and Blissey/Chansey are somewhere in the 40's at least, which threat are you going to prepare for? Plus, as was stated ALL Blissey can do thanks to Magic Guard is Seismic Toss or Wish while you CM to +6 and Recover the damage.
lol toxicroak using SD win one on one against roobushin if the battle start unboosted.
Taunt when predicting BU, they will then use SD(which you might bulk up the time he uses SD in which he get +1 advantage), AND drain punch roob out of the way.
SD croak is great counter to roobushin and logically unless its messed up, toxicroak win most match up unless roob uses EQ. Also what croak uses sub if it is SD variants these days anyway ? Taunt is better on every scenario
Either way, if something ridiculous like say deoxys-D appear on roobushin, payback is definitely a better choice. Otherwise, like you say stone edge is better on most cases
Taunt when predicting BU, they will then use SD(which you might bulk up the time he uses SD in which he get +1 advantage), AND drain punch roob out of the way.
SD croak is great counter to roobushin and logically unless its messed up, toxicroak win most match up unless roob uses EQ. Also what croak uses sub if it is SD variants these days anyway ? Taunt is better on every scenario
Either way, if something ridiculous like say deoxys-D appear on roobushin, payback is definitely a better choice. Otherwise, like you say stone edge is better on most cases
Okay, I would rant about the search system for Uncharted Territory being retarded and all that, but I found the Reuniclus thread and I'm satisfied now.
Okay, so I've been seeing, on the nominations and suspect threads, that Reuniclus is actually considered for suspect by a number of people. the reason for this is because, apparently, Reuniclus decimates the highest form of stall with it Calm Mind set, and also decimates offensive teams with its Trick Room set.
While I myself do not consider Reuniclus Uber due to just those qualities alone (Salamence factor), I wanted to bump this thread to get some personal opinions on Reuniclus. Plus, the thread's been left alone for a little while, so it's quite obligatory because of the suspect vote.
Discuss and entertain.
Okay, so I've been seeing, on the nominations and suspect threads, that Reuniclus is actually considered for suspect by a number of people. the reason for this is because, apparently, Reuniclus decimates the highest form of stall with it Calm Mind set, and also decimates offensive teams with its Trick Room set.
While I myself do not consider Reuniclus Uber due to just those qualities alone (Salamence factor), I wanted to bump this thread to get some personal opinions on Reuniclus. Plus, the thread's been left alone for a little while, so it's quite obligatory because of the suspect vote.
Discuss and entertain.
Cute philosophy, especially the part where it undermines the entire philosophy of the suspect test in general, and the site as well. If you need to make your stall team specifically counter Reuniclus (hate that name) at the expense of making it far worse, there is a problem
Specifically counter, who said specifically counter.
I'd think you have a gaping hole, If Reun shits on your team.
Call it anti-metagame and then somehow it's not going to eat away at your metagame standard pokemon.
What sort of normal stall team has a reliable way to take on Reuniclus? It's easy to say random things, but it is important to back them up with information
I pretty much agree with this, here's a link to my more elaborated thoughts on the matter (from the suspect thread).
CM roar latias (bulky, works well as a phazer, and can set up when it gets an opportunity), Unaware quagsire, sableye once it's released. I'd say spiritomb as well, but you'd probably dismiss it. CM jirachi (if it carries wish) and other cm + phaze mons also work. Anything with encore plus anything which can 2hko it (such as specially defensive ttar) forces it out.
Yeaaaah... Specially Defensive T-tar and Quagsire. Those are so not niche at all
Spiritomb is excellent on stall teams. Calm Mind + Dark Pulse + Rest + Sleep Talk is wonderful. Spin blocking duties and the ability to outright sweep late game. That's not niche, people just haven't been utilizing every stall Pokemon to its full capabilities.
Spiritomb is terrible in that role outside of countering Reuniclus. Please don't treat us like fools
Quagsire isn't niche at all, so no. Unaware lets it take on a variety of Pokemon and provide opportunities for team mates to come in and do their stuff.
How is he "niche"?
EDIT: Spiritomb has three immunities and good stats. It's also one of the few Pokemon that loses absolutely nothing from utilizing the Rest/Sleep Talk combination from last generation.
Actually I use Quagsire very sucessfully on my stall team and get a lot of wins that wouldn't be possible with Swampert or Hippowdon in its place. In real life, Reuniclus comes in absolutely free and threatens to 6-0 me. Spiritomb might work for me actually, as well as CM wish Jirachi, thats actually very helpful information but besides that your ass is grass if your OHKOing attacker to Reuniclus is dead. Thats two pokemon that fit well in stall and reliably take on Reuniclus, one is outclassed by Burungeru most of the time.