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Xephyr said:
I'm really, REALLY tired of Master Win posting here. He keeps saying "how do you think rain will be?"

This tier is already set in place, and it has been for a long time, for god sakes. He hasn't played any RU obviously because he doesn't know what's in the tier and what's not, and he's a fucking dumbass with 90% of the things he says. Stop posting in my damn thread.
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Um I only said that once Xephyr. And YOU need to stop insulting me. Seriously man, I might not be the best player in the world, but you don't need to get all spazzed about it. All I'm doing is bringing up different mons that we haven't thought of yet. And BTW this isn't your thread. This is SMOGON's thread.
Edit: Wow man. Rereading what you just posted about me hurt me. Seriously.
 
skitz0phrenic said:
^lol.

Anyways, Miltank is a solid defensive choice in this tier, and is one of the best users of Heal Bell as well imo. It can sponge anything physical that isn't a STAB Fighting move quite well and spread status, instantly heal with Milk Drink, or even do a fairly decent amount of damage with Return. It's also surprisingly fast for a fat bulky wall designed after a lazy cow. Not many people realize it has base 100 speed >_>

Maybe not potent enough for a spot on the threat list, but this old GSC star has a lot of utility value once things like Primeape are out of the way.
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Would Curse Miltank work well in this tier? I feel like Yanmega and co. could give it some trouble seeing as 70 base SpDef isn't too hot. And i agree that Primeape will definitely have to be taken care of before Miltank comes in.
 
People would be submitting their own analysis so all you're doing is weeding out the crap which is probably more efficient. Plus it facilitates a much larger range of Pokemon so people can finally get their Emboars and whatnot on it. Since people seem pretty keen in this thread on arguing for their favourite Pokemon it seems a logical step to let people submit an analysis if they're serious and can get crit'ed by the community. Honestly I think that would lead to better discussion and probably open up the Threat List a bit without too much effort from anyone.
 
This threat list is a preliminary threat list, before UU has settled down. UU is only in its second round of suspect testing jeez ppl wait for it to settle. RU is a very diverse tier, but until suspect testing starts, there is no need for a threatlist like the UU threatlist.

Edit: Miltank is pretty good in this tier, with Curse, Heal Bell, and Milk Drink at its disposal.
 
@ Xephyr: Thank you SO much for putting up this thread. It has helped me a ton to become a better RU player. And your tolerance of certain people in this thread is to be respected. Thank you! The only thing I could see added is Electivire as an offensive threat. He can switch into Electric attacks and gain the free Speed boost, and has quite a good offensive movepool.
 
Just a random shot in the dark here, but would Togetic w/Eviolite be of any use? It has some pretty good special bulk (especially with Eviolite), Roost, and can baton pass Nasty Plot's to things that could really use it (Speed Boost Yanmega, perhaps?) It's downsides are that its Defense is crap, and has some pretty common weaknesses (including SR). It can also pass wishes, but it's HP stat is pretty crap as well. 80 SpAtk is usable for a defensive pokemon, especially after a Nasty Plot. I dunno though, seeing as I was typing this Togetic was seeming worse and worse...

EDIT: It can also Yawn, Thunder Wave, set up screens, Heal Bell, and Encore to help it set up Nasty Plot's to pass.
 
Togetic is a good Eviolite poke, but there are a lot better users out there like Munchlax, Ferroseed, and Tangela. And SuperChillarmy, I may use Evire, but its not the most amazing poke out there. It doesn't get important OHKO's it needs, although it does carry surprise factor with Expert Belt.
 
Shedinja might be something to consider(shadow sneak/x-scizzor/swords dance/toxic or will-o-wisp), i made a quick team and ran it to top 100 with barely any losses, switch it into pokes who cant do anything to it and deal statuses on the switch. Clean up the enemy pokes until he got nothing that can deal with shedinja and clean up the team.
 
We've gone over this. In a tier where most teams are designed to eliminate bugs, shedinja just doesn't cut it. But I know I've played you before, and you know what you're doing, so maybe show some logs?
 
Togetic is usable on a baton pass team, with evolite it has enough bulk to be 3hko by Spec Yanmega with Airslash I think... Someone else will have to do the calculations, I could be wrong.

Sadly Nastyplot + Tri attack is illegal and togetic doesn't get Air slash so no flinch hax :(

It can do parafuse with T-wave and Waterpulse (40% chance of confusion with serene grace)

Although I prefer Tri-attack with the 40% chance of either paralyze, burn or freeze but you have to use work up instead of nasty plot.

You can use togekiss to spread status with Roost, toxic/t-wave, water pulse and tri-attack.

A lot of pokemon do Togetic's job better, it's still pretty useful on a Baton pass team unless you want to use Drifblim to take Yanmega's attack instead and carry it with HP-flying lol.

I noticed Wobbuffet isn't the threat list, is it because it's very anti-metagame?

It can check some of the bigger threats if you exclude crits, Honchkrow and Yanmega generally don't carry support moves unless it's roost (honchkrow) or protect (yanmega).

Wobbuffet can come in on the revenge and trap and proceed to take out 1 of your opponents more deadly threats that could potentially sweep an entire team.

It can even deal with non substitute sets of Cresselia, encore what ever it's doing, if it setting up, tickle it and send in a pursuiter like say honchkrow and cresselia is in a check mate position with say -6 def. It's obvious what to if it attacks.

Although the chances of reaching -6 is unlikely, -2 or -3 is more realistic, if Cressilia switch out on a pursuiting honchkrow it will do 100% damage, if it stays in it will do about 50 - 70%, but maybe by then Cressila has +3 clam minds and K-O honchkrow with an appropriate attack, it'll still be enough to force cresselia to switch out, anything physical can easily KO cressila at that point. Although the mind games of staying in and being pursuited or being KO-ed by Brave bird or Night slash will force cressila players into a tough position. SHould I stay in if he uses pursuit or should i switch out if he uses something else?

Just a couple of theoretic examples to use Wobbuffet in RU lol.
 
Fuchsia said:
We've gone over this. In a tier where most teams are designed to eliminate bugs, shedinja just doesn't cut it. But I know I've played you before, and you know what you're doing, so maybe show some logs?
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I agree on the part that most of the metagame is around eliminating bugs, i havent saved any logs, but will try to play some games tomorrow and get some logs i could provide.

As said it was a team i put quick togheter recently and i havent gotten alot of practice with the team, so might just be me being matched up against bad players who didnt play around me having a shedinja on my team.

But going to try to play abit with the team tomorrow see how shedinja fares and if i feel shedinja is a RU top threat i will provide some logs :)
 
Okay, seriously... Is Shedinja really considered a threat in any metagame?! Of course not. The thing has 1 HP... what do you expect?! Shedinja is a Game Freak Fart that is only a lolz in today's RU metagame. I mean Rhyperior, Typhlosion, or Entei are on pretty much every team... and so is Stealth Rock. Sorry, but Shedinja does not make the cut.
 
It was surprisingly effective in the Uber game last gen, as it totally walled so many Pokes, such as Kyogre. Gen. V RU, though... FAYUL.
 
I've found sheer force LO druddigan to be fun to use. While the moveset I gave it seems a little unorthodox, it works really well on getting the edge on most of my opponents and usually it can take down 2 pokes or pretty much dent up the opponents whole team. Crunch, fire fang, thunder fang, and rockslide. a little depressing that it cant use stab with this set, but it doesnt have to worry about recoil effects at all. I also had fun using CM sub alakazam and sweeping a total of 4 mons before the guy ragequitted. Looks like my insentive babbling of beartic doesn't matter anymore.
 
I think gallade can be a defensive threat since it has a great support movepool with magic coat drain punch thunder wave toxic destiny bond trick taunt dual screens torment swagger disable memento confuse ray encore skill swap hypnosis snatch knock off and the other support moves it seems to have only if people used gallade in that way although it would be inferior to other walls the surprise value is good pretty much usable only once then your good and screwed don't know just throwing this out there.

I've found sheer force LO druddigan to be fun to use. While the moveset I gave it seems a little unorthodox, it works really well on getting the edge on most of my opponents and usually it can take down 2 pokes or pretty much dent up the opponents whole team. Crunch, fire fang, thunder fang, and rockslide. a little depressing that it cant use stab with this set, but it doesnt have to worry about recoil effects at all. I also had fun using CM sub alakazam and sweeping a total of 4 mons before the guy ragequitted. Looks like my insentive babbling of beartic doesn't matter anymore.
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No just no Sheer force LO fine whatever but you always run dragon stab on a dragon type because of it's ability to hit almost everything hard even if it doesn't get the Sheer force boost. Sucker Punch is a must for taking out fast nimble sweepers or weakened pokemon that threaten you fire fang could work to beat durant and uh what else I think nothing really so slash that out and run EQ and rock slide that's fine I guess.
So Run 252 hp 252 atk don't care what you dumb the last 4 into honestly.
Dragon Claw/Outrage
Sucker Punch
Earthquake
Fire Fang/Rock Slide/Filler

Might give it a try later but it's late right now so peace!
 
The reason I don't run any moves that will make me recoil with LO is because I want druddigan to get in as many hits as possible. Although with his 48 base speed...... he could probably use dragon tail and not need to worry about a thing. It's not like he's going to outspeed anything soon. Unless you run trick room with him. And the reason why i am not running sucker punch is because pretty much once you use it once, they will know what you are up to, so they will set up so you don't deal damage to them. And nowadays there are a lot of things that set up or do something that is non damaging to you so I tend not to run that. my set would be:
Druddigan @ life orb
252 attk EVs
128 Def EVs and 128 Sp Def EVs
Moveset: Fire fang
crunch
rock slide
dragon tail/thunder fang

This set works pretty well for me. But that's just for me. Always good to try new sets in my opinion! :D
Well time for bed. Chow!
 
I recommend you don't use Sheer force at all, you get at best 1 move that gets a 30% boost in from sheer force and generally poor power & coverage, not really worth it in my opinion.

Rough skin is the better option, as you're slow and bulky enough to take hits, you might even get lucky and turn that 2hko into a Ohko or 3hko to a 2hko because of Rough Skin.

name: Bandigon / Physical attacker
move 1: Outrage
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Suckerpunch
move 4: Dragon claw / Taunt
Item: Choice Band / Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Att / 4 Spe

Dragon Claw in the last slot is more for insurance in case you see the opposing team carry a Steel like Aggron, if you happen to be stuck in Outrage dealing low damage while Aggron can hit back with stab Head smash

Outrage hits hard after you take out all the steels and physical walls on your opponent's team

Suckerpunch has priority hitting faster mons, Earthquake gives you coverage especially steels.

Although Durant and Ferroseed take EQ Neutrally, you're probably better off using another pokemon to counter ferroseed and Durant is frail, you should be able to deal alot of damage with EQ already.

the 2nd Physical Attacker set with Life Orb, I recommend using taunt to stop Bulky Ghost from Burning you with Will o wisp which would otherwise cripple Druddigon. Taunt also stops ferroseed thinking it can take your dragon hits and try to set up on you

You can also invest in some speed EVs to Taunt the common normal type special walls, namely Lickylicky, Audio and Clefable.

24 EVs allows you to outspeed Audio and Licklicky with 4 evs in speed, which is a small investment.

104evs out speed Clefable and Tangela with 4evs in speed as Clefable is capable of running the annoying flame orb trick set.

Other Options: You could Potentially run a set with Substitute with leftovers for better prediction but you won't hit has hard.
 
While it's pretty gimmicky, a Rough Skin/Rocky Helmet is annoying as hell on Druddigon.

I think Electivire is as derpy as ever in this tier. Manectric and Galvantula are much better electric sweepers.
 
Xephyr said:
While it's pretty gimmicky, a Rough Skin/Rocky Helmet is annoying as hell on Druddigon.

I think Electivire is as derpy as ever in this tier. Manectric and Galvantula are much better electric sweepers.
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I think with the buff that Lightningrod got, I agree. Manectric gets access to a decent movepool, can switch in safely into electric attacks now (and get a 50% boost to special attack), and as icing on the cake, it gets access to Switcheroo. 105 Speed is good for the RU tier, though it isn't enough to outpace some of the more dangerous threats in the tier. But with Switcheroo and high speed and special attack, I think that a choice specs user or maybe even a choice scarfer would work great.

Electivire does have a strong physical attack, though, which might be a viable niche for some teams, who need a physical electric sweeper, for whatever reason. I mean, it got Wild Charge, I guess, which is almost a good electric physical attack, as well as access to both fighting and ice attacks that elude Galvantula and Manectric. While it isn't the top level electric sweeper, it still has potential of being a solid mixed sweeper.

What I am curious on is your thoughts on Eelektross, who seems to be a doomed to the same niche as Octillery. Other than the whole no weakness crap, it has a good movepool, bad speed, a strong physical and special attack stat, and the capability to boost either end. I've found success with Eelektross throughout the slow decline from UU to RU, but is it a diamond in the rough, or simply too slow to make it work?
 
kniteowl said:
I recommend you don't use Sheer force at all, you get at best 1 move that gets a 30% boost in from sheer force and generally poor power & coverage, not really worth it in my opinion.

Rough skin is the better option, as you're slow and bulky enough to take hits, you might even get lucky and turn that 2hko into a Ohko or 3hko to a 2hko because of Rough Skin.

name: Bandigon / Physical attacker
move 1: Outrage
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Suckerpunch
move 4: Dragon claw / Taunt
Item: Choice Band / Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Att / 4 Spe

Dragon Claw in the last slot is more for insurance in case you see the opposing team carry a Steel like Aggron, if you happen to be stuck in Outrage dealing low damage while Aggron can hit back with stab Head smash

Outrage hits hard after you take out all the steels and physical walls on your opponent's team

Suckerpunch has priority hitting faster mons, Earthquake gives you coverage especially steels.

Although Durant and Ferroseed take EQ Neutrally, you're probably better off using another pokemon to counter ferroseed and Durant is frail, you should be able to deal alot of damage with EQ already.

the 2nd Physical Attacker set with Life Orb, I recommend using taunt to stop Bulky Ghost from Burning you with Will o wisp which would otherwise cripple Druddigon. Taunt also stops ferroseed thinking it can take your dragon hits and try to set up on you

You can also invest in some speed EVs to Taunt the common normal type special walls, namely Lickylicky, Audio and Clefable.

24 EVs allows you to outspeed Audio and Licklicky with 4 evs in speed, which is a small investment.

104evs out speed Clefable and Tangela with 4evs in speed as Clefable is capable of running the annoying flame orb trick set.

Other Options: You could Potentially run a set with Substitute with leftovers for better prediction but you won't hit has hard.
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That's the thing about druddigan. It has quite a few sets that can work for it. I find succes with my sheer force set, but I might try the rough skin set to see if it works better. The thing that I don't want happening is getting toxiced though. Oh ya and with electivire,it's kinda sad that he has such a wide variety of elemental moves, but he just doesn't have the attk power to KO stuff. I really like the electric gorilla. He'll probably stay in the RU of RU.
 
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