I agree that usage does not define power. Intelligent usage does define power though.
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I don't think Scizor is going to lose its #1 spot anytime soon. Scizor isn't the most used Pokemon because it's the most powerful Pokemon in OU, or because it has a lot of bulk (although 70/100/80 defences does make Scizor quite bulky thanks to its excellent typing). The reason Scizor is number one is because it's so easy to fit into a team, and can check so many different threats (Gengar, Salamence, Azelf, Latias etc) and it can also finish weakened threats with ease. Since Scizor can check so many different things, having it on your team can free up team slots for other things so there's no reason not to use it if you're running Bulky Offense, really.
Unless you're like me and choose not to use Scizor because it's used so much...
Shocking stories (Usage):
| 39 | Smeargle | 40003 | 4.75 |
Looks like Smeargle's storming into OU with a bang. #39 on usage.
| 44 | Roserade | 33804 | 4.01 |
Roserade's creeping up to Smeargle's level. Tough cookie, this Roserade is. She's rocking #1 on UU ladder too.
| 49 | Umbreon | 29414 | 3.49 |
Don't look like he's having much fun in his new OU home. #49, just above Alakazam? Says a lot about people not wanting to use him. Maybe he'll drop back down to UU???
| 50 | Alakazam | 27726 | 3.29 |
| 52 | Rhyperior | 26449 | 3.14 |
New UU candidates? Possibly. However if they do enter UU, then the whole UU metagame will change due to these two powerhouses hitting from opposite sides, Alakazam hitting from Special Attack and Rhyperior hitting from Attack side. As long as their usage doesn't drop any longer, it'll be a good day for Honchkrow, Yanmega, Espeon, Glaceon and the like.
| 1 | Roserade | 20366 | 21.97 |
#1 usage in UU... Surprising, not quite due to it storming into OU. Roserade might be the next OU candidate? Who knows?
| 4 | Donphan | 17745 | 19.14 |
Rocking the UU usage since his drop from OU. Seems like he likes the spotlight.
| 12 | Dugtrio | 10445 | 11.27 |
Like Donphan, seems to also like the spotlight. Looks like we might have two strong competitors for best UU ground type. (Sorry Steelix, you're part Steel =P)
Total Updates (Usage):
- Smeargle: OU debut with a bang. Ramping up to #39 on usage.
- Roserade (OU): Following behind Smeargle at #44 on usage in OU tier. =D
- Umbreon: OU debut not too much fun at #49 on usage. =(
- Alakazam and Rhyperior: Dropping behind the new OU debuts at #50 and #52, respectively!!! Shocking! New candidates for UU, possibly. In theory, no, due to the power of being able to hit hard from both sides of the spectrum.
- Roserade (UU): Having a field day! Ranking at #1 on UU usage and being a strong player in the OU tier, seems like everything is going her way.
- Donphan: Making good use of his tier reduction from OU to UU, clocking at #4, seems like a strong competitor with his brother:
- Dugtrio: Skyrocketing from OU to UU, ranks at #12, opens his debut with his brother Donphan with a bang.
-:~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~:-
Shocking Stories (Leads):
| 8 | Roserade | 24914 | 2.96 |
Wow, very surprising. #8 lead on the OU ladder? Almost guaranteed a spot on an OU team.
| 2 | Roserade | 7630 | 8.23 |
#2 in lead usage on the UU ladder? Wow, she's all over the place.
| 7 | Hippopotas | 2651 | 2.86 |
#7 lead on UU ladder??? Strange, very strange, seems like there's a secret plan to build a lot of Sandstorm teams going around.
| 16 | Donphan | 1376 | 1.48 |
#16 lead on the UU ladder. Very strong debut from OU to UU. Definitely a player that's going to be on every team.
Total Updates (Leads):
- Roserade (OU): Ranking at #8 in OU leads, is very surprising.
- Roserade (UU): Being in the top 50 in usage in OU, top 5 in UU, top 10 in OU leads and top 5 in UU leads, Roserade seems to almost have a space for herself in OU.
- Hippopotas: Random pokemon, although it looks like a UU sandstorm is in the making, possibly with the addition of Donphan and Dugtrio??? Who knows.
- Donphan: Making a strong intro into UU, at #16 in leads, seems like this is going to a familiar face around UU.
| 39 | Smeargle | 40003 | 4.75 |
Looks like Smeargle's storming into OU with a bang. #39 on usage.
| 44 | Roserade | 33804 | 4.01 |
Roserade's creeping up to Smeargle's level. Tough cookie, this Roserade is. She's rocking #1 on UU ladder too.
| 49 | Umbreon | 29414 | 3.49 |
Don't look like he's having much fun in his new OU home. #49, just above Alakazam? Says a lot about people not wanting to use him. Maybe he'll drop back down to UU???
| 50 | Alakazam | 27726 | 3.29 |
| 52 | Rhyperior | 26449 | 3.14 |
New UU candidates? Possibly. However if they do enter UU, then the whole UU metagame will change due to these two powerhouses hitting from opposite sides, Alakazam hitting from Special Attack and Rhyperior hitting from Attack side. As long as their usage doesn't drop any longer, it'll be a good day for Honchkrow, Yanmega, Espeon, Glaceon and the like.
| 1 | Roserade | 20366 | 21.97 |
#1 usage in UU... Surprising, not quite due to it storming into OU. Roserade might be the next OU candidate? Who knows?
| 4 | Donphan | 17745 | 19.14 |
Rocking the UU usage since his drop from OU. Seems like he likes the spotlight.
| 12 | Dugtrio | 10445 | 11.27 |
Like Donphan, seems to also like the spotlight. Looks like we might have two strong competitors for best UU ground type. (Sorry Steelix, you're part Steel =P)
Total Updates (Usage):
- Smeargle: OU debut with a bang. Ramping up to #39 on usage.
- Roserade (OU): Following behind Smeargle at #44 on usage in OU tier. =D
- Umbreon: OU debut not too much fun at #49 on usage. =(
- Alakazam and Rhyperior: Dropping behind the new OU debuts at #50 and #52, respectively!!! Shocking! New candidates for UU, possibly. In theory, no, due to the power of being able to hit hard from both sides of the spectrum.
- Roserade (UU): Having a field day! Ranking at #1 on UU usage and being a strong player in the OU tier, seems like everything is going her way.
- Donphan: Making good use of his tier reduction from OU to UU, clocking at #4, seems like a strong competitor with his brother:
- Dugtrio: Skyrocketing from OU to UU, ranks at #12, opens his debut with his brother Donphan with a bang.
-:~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~:-
Shocking Stories (Leads):
| 8 | Roserade | 24914 | 2.96 |
Wow, very surprising. #8 lead on the OU ladder? Almost guaranteed a spot on an OU team.
| 2 | Roserade | 7630 | 8.23 |
#2 in lead usage on the UU ladder? Wow, she's all over the place.
| 7 | Hippopotas | 2651 | 2.86 |
#7 lead on UU ladder??? Strange, very strange, seems like there's a secret plan to build a lot of Sandstorm teams going around.
| 16 | Donphan | 1376 | 1.48 |
#16 lead on the UU ladder. Very strong debut from OU to UU. Definitely a player that's going to be on every team.
Total Updates (Leads):
- Roserade (OU): Ranking at #8 in OU leads, is very surprising.
- Roserade (UU): Being in the top 50 in usage in OU, top 5 in UU, top 10 in OU leads and top 5 in UU leads, Roserade seems to almost have a space for herself in OU.
- Hippopotas: Random pokemon, although it looks like a UU sandstorm is in the making, possibly with the addition of Donphan and Dugtrio??? Who knows.
- Donphan: Making a strong intro into UU, at #16 in leads, seems like this is going to a familiar face around UU.
Skymin being so weak to priority, having to choose HP Fire or Ice(or die to Scizor or Dragonite, respectively) doesn't help it at all. Manaphy is easily checked by Latias, and neither of these pokemon can set up on any predominate sweepers. Top-tier? For sure. #1 or #2, not likely.
That's exactly what I was thinking. They're too big of powerhouses to come into UU, where they would dominate it all. Also, due to the lack of priority in UU, Sucker Punch being the only one we see, Alakazam will have a frekin birthday party, while Rhyperior sucks in the Sandstorm from Hippopotas, who has a surprisingly high lead usage in UU. Someone explain, is this a diabolical plan by Legacy Raider to destroy Moltres?
To Legacy Raider, we know you like Scizor, by your avatar, and we know that Moltres owns it, but that doesn't mean you create a hundred alts and put Hippopotas as your lead on every single team...
Legacy Raider = Moltres Hater
=D
Agreed. I'd hate to have Alakazam in UU matches. It'd suck. While it's quite frailt, once it's in...mmmm...
Strangely enough, it seems like Umbreon's OU placement is due to the rise of Eeveeulution BP teams >_>. Still, its low usage could be attributed to the fact that people dismissed it cause of Scizor and Fighting types. Actually, with the correct EV investment, Umbreon won't be 2HKOd by a CB Scizor's U-turn, and the Fighting weakness can be fixed by Chople Berry. Umberon isn't really something that should be underestimated.
Lack of priority in UU? Lol, I hope that was a joke. Priority is EVERYWHERE in UU, and it's not just Sucker Punch, either (Alakazam is weak to Sucker Punch anyways so I don't understand what you were trying to get at with that...). There's Azumarill's Aqua Jet, Arcanine's Extremespeed, Ambipom's Fake Out, Hitmontop's Fake Out + Mach Punch are just some of the priority moves used in UU that I thought of from the top of my head... and I don't even play UU that often. I don't think Alakazam will be sweeping UU teams anytime soon, even if he is moved down. As for Rhyperior, it's really not that much better than Rhydon so I don't think it will cause too much damage.
I don't think Alakazam will be too much trouble in UU with Strong Sucker Punches and other Priority more rampant than in OU. However, I can see Rhyperior making quite a splash in UU. It will filly Rhydon's role significantly better due to superior stats and Solid rock. The increase in Hippopotas leads indicates that Rhyperior could be a force to be reckoned with.
I don't think that if Shaymin-S dropped down to UU, that it would cause too many problems. Scizor would still be available, as would Scafed Heatran. If Shaymin was too much of a problem, Weavile and Mamoswine would increase in usage. The reason Garchomp was #1 for so long was it was fairly bulky, while retaining good attack and a very nice Base 102 Speed. It could make good use of a Yache Berry, and it wasn't weak to SR like Shaymin-S.
I don't think that if Shaymin-S dropped down to UU, that it would cause too many problems. Scizor would still be available, as would Scafed Heatran. If Shaymin was too much of a problem, Weavile and Mamoswine would increase in usage. The reason Garchomp was #1 for so long was it was fairly bulky, while retaining good attack and a very nice Base 102 Speed. It could make good use of a Yache Berry, and it wasn't weak to SR like Shaymin-S.
Alakazam will suffer the same fate as Dugtrio hype. Don't let the stats mislead you, as priority will murder Alakazam in this metagame. I'm not saying it sucks, it will be a potent threat for sure, but the priority is killing this guy. People will probably result to using SubKazam if this guy heads to UU.
It is definitely frail. But a threat none the less.
Umbreon's been down and probably will rise up when people find a very strong and potent counter to Scizor. Otherwise, Mean Look + Baton Pass Umbreon seems beastly.
Well, let's see, Sucker Punch is the only one that would KO, others need a CB in order to have a chance. I've run some calculations:
- Azumarill's Aqua Jet w/o CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 100 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (40 Base Power): 96 - 114 (38.25% - 45.42%) 6.31% of 2HKO with SR up
- Azumarill's Aqua Jet w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 150 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (40 Base Power): 144 - 171 (57.37% - 68.13%) 2HKO
- Arcanine's E-Speed w/o CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 110 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (80 Base Power): 141 - 166 (56.18% - 66.14%) 2HKO
- Arcanine's E-Speed w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 165 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (80 Base Power): 210 - 248 (83.67% - 98.80%) 74.36% of OHKO with SR and/or Leftovers
- Ambipom's Fake Out w/o Silk Scarf vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 100 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (40 Base Power): 96 - 114 (38.25% - 45.42%) 6.31% of 2HKO with SR up
- Ambipom's Fake Out w/Silk Scarf vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 100 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (48 Base Power): 115 - 136 (45.82% - 54.18%) 2HKO with SR up, otherwise 44.18% 2HKO w/o SR (Which will be the case since most Ambipom are lead.)
- Ambipom's Fake Out w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 150 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (40 Base Power): 144 - 171 (57.37% - 68.13%) 2HKO
- Hitmontop's Fake Out w/o CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 95 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (60 Base Power): 91 - 108 (36.25% - 43.03%) Not even a 2HKO
- Hitmontop's Fake Out w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 142 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (60 Base Power): 136 - 161 (54.18% - 64.14%) 2HKO
- Hitmontop's Bullet Punch w/o CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 95 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (60 Base Power): 91 - 108 (36.25% - 43.03%) Not even a 2HKO
- Hitmontop's Bullet Punch w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 142 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (60 Base Power): 136 - 161 (54.18% - 64.14%) 2HKO
- Hitmontop's Mach Punch w/CB vs. Min/Min Alakazam: 142 Atk vs 45 Def & 251 HP (60 Base Power): 102 - 120 (40.64% - 47.81%) 57.66% of 2HKO with SR, 2.96% of 2HKO with Leftovers
As you can clearly see, only E-Speed Arcanine has an OHKO shot, others are 2HKO at best.
Rhyperior + SS would be beastly. Not to mention that if TR is up, Rhyperior = Sweep. TR + SS Rhyperior would make Rhyperior the ultimate Tank and/or Sweeper. Being able to shake off Aqua Jets, Mach Punches, Bullet Punches, Sucker Punches, you name it. But, I hardly doubt that Rhyperior would ever drop down to UU due to the power. He'll stay at BL at best.
Let's just hope Alakazam and Rhyperior drop from OU to BL at best and nothing lower. But that's dependant on the voters. Besides that, SubKazam looks like a strong opponent to Dugtrio and Chansey. One traps and other is a great SpDer. Chansey's going to skyrocket in usage if Alakazam drops to UU. Keyword: If.
Rhyperior and Alakazam may aswell be NU. The won't be used in UU very often, as there are more potent, sturdy things out there. However their power is all that is keeping them from NU in my honest opinion. People will use them, but only because they used to be OU. Look at Dugtrio.
All of your calcs are seriously flawed. I'll leave it up to you to figure out why. For example, if you check again, you'll find that Azumarill's CB Aqua Jet does 88.8% minimum to min/min Alakazam - a clean OHKO with SR as opposed to the 2HKO you were suggesting.
The person plugged in base attack and defense in instead of actual attack and defense.
EDIT: Here, let's try this again (all calculations assume Alakazam is 4/0)
Azumarill Aqua Jet vs Alakazam (w/o band): 436 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (40 Base Power): 150 - 177 (59.52% - 70.24%) 2HKO
(w/ band): 654 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (40 Base Power): 223 - 264 (88.49% - 104.76%) 28.21% 1HKO w/o SR, 100% w/
Max Attack Arcanine Extremespeed w/ band: 350 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (80 Base Power): 159 - 188 (63.10% - 74.60%) 2HKO
(w/ band): 525 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (80 Base Power): 239 - 282 (94.84% - 111.90%) 66.67% 1HKO w/o SR, 100% w/
Ambipom Fake Out w/o Silk Scarf: 299 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (60 Base Power): 153 - 181 (60.71% - 71.83%)
Technitop Fake Out/Bullet Punch: 317 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (60 Base Power): 108 - 128 (42.86% - 50.79%) Fake Out + Bullet Punch KOs 96.38% w/ SR, no chance without
EDIT: Here, let's try this again (all calculations assume Alakazam is 4/0)
Azumarill Aqua Jet vs Alakazam (w/o band): 436 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (40 Base Power): 150 - 177 (59.52% - 70.24%) 2HKO
(w/ band): 654 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (40 Base Power): 223 - 264 (88.49% - 104.76%) 28.21% 1HKO w/o SR, 100% w/
Max Attack Arcanine Extremespeed w/ band: 350 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (80 Base Power): 159 - 188 (63.10% - 74.60%) 2HKO
(w/ band): 525 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (80 Base Power): 239 - 282 (94.84% - 111.90%) 66.67% 1HKO w/o SR, 100% w/
Ambipom Fake Out w/o Silk Scarf: 299 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (60 Base Power): 153 - 181 (60.71% - 71.83%)
Technitop Fake Out/Bullet Punch: 317 Atk vs 126 Def & 252 HP (60 Base Power): 108 - 128 (42.86% - 50.79%) Fake Out + Bullet Punch KOs 96.38% w/ SR, no chance without
Dude, what the hell?
Azumarill has Huge Power.
How do Arcanine and Hitmontop have such low attack stats?
I'd just like to throw it out there that Alakazam has Inner Focus so Fake Out won't be that useful unless you've got STAB on it. Not to mention you can't 2HKO anything with Fake Out without something taking a hit as Fake Out fails if you try to use it twice in a row.
I can certainly see Alakazam being a pain for UU, as you're going to have to resort to revenge killing it most of the time, or Chansey.
I can certainly see Alakazam being a pain for UU, as you're going to have to resort to revenge killing it most of the time, or Chansey.
Lord Blood, Pokemon do not drop from OU to BL, they drop down to UU and then possibly get banned to BL. Notice how Dugtrio, Donphan, and Yanmega all went down to UU instead of BL?
Also, I loled at those calcs.
Also, I loled at those calcs.
I stand by sub cm as the best.
