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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition

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WaterBomb said:
You shut your whore mouth
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Calm your face dude, Chargers would win either way.

Del Rio said:
I wanna see Arizona do the unexpected and go to the playoffs but gdi not at the expense of my Saints
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I want them to win so that i can watch an Egg/49ers game. The best OL(eggs), who make even Foles look ok and makes the most fearsome running game, against a great defense. The Eggs are basically a clone of last years Redskins. A crappy, garbage team ridibg a weak ass schedule and a hot offense to the playoffs. Both even have the best run game. Clones if i ever saw them. Thing is, one of the games i would have payed anything to watch was the 49ers against the redskins. I mean that hot 2012 team. I wanted griffin to face off against smith/smith/bowman/willis. Im hoping the eggs one happens this year.
 
I will support playing Cutler. Just because McCown was rampaging at the time does not mean he would still continue to and Cutler, while not elite or probably even borderline elite (i.e. Romo), is pretty decent and surely better overall than literal Josh McCown.

Even if the Pats play equally well road and home, combee, doesn't mean they don't still want HFA wherever they can grab it. Their opponents will still presumably play worse, besides which they still haven't even secured a bye.
 
Shinryu said:
Also, remind me how the refs managed to miss a very blatent cheap shot on Boldin again?
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Making up for the phantom pass interference call probably.

Really, the refs are imperfect and the choppy flag throwing is getting out of hand. I don't know why Gruden is suddenly obsessed with the notion, but he's 100% right when he says that penalties (or no calls) should be challengeable next year.
 
I can't believe these ultra-crappy Bears/Packers, Cowboys/Eagles and Ravens/Dolphins/Chargers teams are gonna make the playoffs while the Cardinals will be sitting at home. It's time to get rid of the divisions determining the playoffs or maybe add another wild card.
 
There is absolutely no reason not to have an "all teams better than 8-8 make the playoffs, just hand out extra byes" rules.

(Although as I have previously stated, I think 16 games is such a poor sample size that all teams better than 5-11 should make it in, or about the top 24 teams every year - in fact this year it is 24 right now with not one team having a chance to get over 5-11 this weekend lol)
 
Byrne said:
I can't believe these ultra-crappy Bears/Packers, Cowboys/Eagles and Ravens/Dolphins/Chargers teams are gonna make the playoffs while the Cardinals will be sitting at home. It's time to get rid of the divisions determining the playoffs or maybe add another wild card.
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You make it sound like the Cardinals weren't looking crappy early in the year...and even with the Seahawks win I still think they're a lot worse than their record shows.

Though I do agree making the playoffs based off record over guaranteed spot for a conference winner should be looked at. Yes it does kind of lessen the impact of conference wins, but as a whole it more reinforces the idea that the "best" teams get in. The converse though is that you might let in teams who only had an easy schedule over ones with a harder one, and if you go all into the strength of schedule and margin of victory crap, you end up with the mess college football is in. So there are pros and cons to consider based off of record alone for playoff spots.

Even if you do occasionally get some surprises like the 9-7 Cardinals making the Super Bowl or the 7-9 Seahawks offing the Saints, that's more a fluke than anything since Seattle never should have been allowed to host that game. At the very least hosting teams in the wildcard need to go to the ones with a better record over division champs, only give it to them if the records are tied.
 
Eagles are an NFC Championship game waiting to happen. If Seattle chokes against New Orleans or whoever doesn't lose (it's not fair to put "winning" and "NFC North" in the same sentence) the NFC North in the divisional round, then Philly's going to play in February. The only teams better than the Eagles in the NFC are the Seahawks and the Saints at home. Since all Carolina has to do to lock up the two-seed is roflstomp the Tank Birds, New Orleans is divisional round toast.

Same deal with the Bengals. Cincy's the best team in the AFC that doesn't have Peyton Manning at quarterback, and they can make the Super Bowl if Denver shits the bed against Indianapolis (or the Bengals).

It's a shame the Steelers, the best team vying for the 6-seed, need so much help to make the playoffs. Not that any one of those teams will beat the Colts in Indianapolis, but it would be nice to see the Steelers play the Colts instead of the thoroughly mediocre Dolphins (or the flat-out terrible Ravens).

EDIT: @WB. The Chargers are pretty good too. I'd say the Steelers are better but there's certainly a case to be made for SD. PIT>SD>>MIA>>>>>BAL, IMO.
 
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DetroitLolcat said:
It's a shame the Steelers, the best team vying for the 6-seed, need so much help to make the playoffs. Not that any one of those teams will beat the Colts in Indianapolis, but it would be nice to see the Steelers play the Colts instead of the thoroughly mediocre Dolphins (or the flat-out terrible Ravens).
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The Steelers aren't really the best team though, the Chargers are IMO. They are better than the Dolphins or Ravens though. But none of that matters now because the situation is what it is. If you need that much help to get into the playoffs and ultimately don't make it, can't blame anyone but yourselves for not taking care of business when needed. Pittsburgh just had one too many letdowns during the regular season, and this is the price you pay for it.

That said, it's still going to royally piss me off if the Steelers miss out because the Chiefs rested their starters. Although I could at least be content with the Chargers being the ones to get in if my team can't. As long as it's not the Ravens...
 
Green Bay will be a scary playoff team if they beat the Bears. And how epic would that be to win the superbowl at 8-7-1? They are a playoff team with Rodgers and with Lacy in the backfield it's a scary thought. On the other hand, Go Panthers!
 
DetroitLolcat said:
It's a shame the Steelers, the best team vying for the 6-seed, need so much help to make the playoffs. Not that any one of those teams will beat the Colts in Indianapolis, but it would be nice to see the Steelers play the Colts instead of the thoroughly mediocre Dolphins (or the flat-out terrible Ravens).

EDIT: @WB. The Chargers are pretty good too. I'd say the Steelers are better but there's certainly a case to be made for SD. PIT>SD>>MIA>>>>>BAL, IMO.
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WaterBomb said:
The Steelers aren't really the best team though, the Chargers are IMO. They are better than the Dolphins or Ravens though. But none of that matters now because the situation is what it is. If you need that much help to get into the playoffs and ultimately don't make it, can't blame anyone but yourselves for not taking care of business when needed. Pittsburgh just had one too many letdowns during the regular season, and this is the price you pay for it.

That said, it's still going to royally piss me off if the Steelers miss out because the Chiefs rested their starters. Although I could at least be content with the Chargers being the ones to get in if my team can't. As long as it's not the Ravens...
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I find this discussion really funny because a)Miami beat both Pitt and SD and b)Miami has already beaten 3 out of the 5 playoff teams(one being the Colts in Indianapolis). Am I saying Miami is a better team? Maybe, but it doesn't matter who the better team is on paper or who you think is better, the only thing that matters is who won the games.
 
The Diverman said:
I find this discussion really funny because a)Miami beat both Pitt and SD and b)Miami has already beaten 3 out of the 5 playoff teams(one being the Colts in Indianapolis). Am I saying Miami is a better team? Maybe, but it doesn't matter who the better team is on paper or who you think is better, the only thing that matters is who won the games.
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I agree. Following your train of thought, the Ravens also beat the Dolphins, but would you say they are better than Miami? All of these teams have serious inconsistency issues, so it's really going to just come down to who is "on" at the right time :).
 
dw guys I already covered this a month ago, although I left out Ravens since I thought only way they would qualify was to win division, refer to the fuckups part for both Chargers & Steelers credentials

CaptKirby said:
Chargers are definitely not easily the best of those teams - they simply have the best quarterback. The Dolphins are a better team, the Jets might be a better team, and Steelers are about the same in terms of being a bunch of fuckups being saved by a QB (I know people were mad at Roethlisberger's start to the season, but boy did he get back to his absolute best). Rivers is simply chasing the single season completion % record, he has done an amazing, literally unparalleled job. Their defense is tragically bad, like worse than Jacksonville bad http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

Geno Smith is incredibly inadequate for the job he has to do. Since Ryan is better at defense than offense in the first place, maybe he causes his QBs to look this bad. Either way that all makes for a train wreck.

Locker went down not once but twice iirc? He was looking good early season, and things kept going south. Titans never had a fair chance in that regard, and their statistics on paper are worse on both sides of the field due to this instability and due to Locker not getting a chance to get a comfortable grasp on this season.
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Stone_Cold said:
Green Bay will be a scary playoff team if they beat the Bears. And how epic would that be to win the superbowl at 8-7-1? They are a playoff team with Rodgers and with Lacy in the backfield it's a scary thought. On the other hand, Go Panthers!
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Pretty sure Lacy is out for this Sunday at the least (not sure if he'll be able to go back if they make the playoffs), but they still have James Starks who was their super bowl season RB a couple years back.

Still, those teams that put a lot of pressure on the QB are a hard matchup for Packers to take on even with Rodgers (see losses the past 2 years to: 49ers, Bengals, Seahawks*, Giants, etc), and there are a lot of them going into the NFC playoffs.
 
i feel like i need to make a correction to an old post of mine, fixing it below http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...013-2014-edition.3482721/page-16#post-4762614

kd24 said:
have you actually watched schaub play? the dudes straight garbage, texans aren't a threat at all until they find someone serviceable to replace him. flaccos way better than him.

also sources inside the pats were saying tebow is proly gonna get cut, i doubt there's any room for him, especially with the higher demand for skill position players now and the pats always going 2 qb... i'd be shocked tebow is on the roster

thinking eli manning is a top 10 qb is laughable, he's below romo. list of qbs id take over eli without a question:

the big 4
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wilson
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rivers
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big ben if unhealthy
jake locker
stafford
foles
smith
palmer
tannehill
flacco
cutler
cousins
glennon
fitz
mccown
henne
schaub
keenum
geno smith
old weed
ponder
prison mike
rodan
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sorry about the mistake before
 
Says the Ravens fan. You could easily replace Elis name with Flacco. And that's sad considering Eli just had the worst season ever by a qb. And i'd still take him over Flacco.

Do you really want to have a pissing match about who is worse? Both are sanchez level. Deal with it.
 
These pro bowl rosters are literally cancer.

Lavonte David, literally the best defensive player in football this year, got snubbed. Nick Foles, who will likely finish the year with 30 touchdowns and a 15/1 TD:INT ratio, is snubbed in favor of Cam Newton. Cam Newton is the third-best quarterback in his division. DeAndre Levy from the Lions should have made the roster, and somehow Matthew Stafford was an alternate? Stafford is above average, but shouldn't be mentioned in this discussion.

But where the ever-loving FUCK is Tony Gonzalez?? Tony Gonzalez, in 2013, is the best tight end in football. He was the best tight end in football last year, too. He should have gotten in over Vernon Davis, though Davis is at least a decent choice. But Gonzo not making the Pro Bowl is inexcusable.

I know "lol Pro Bowl", but Lavonte David, Nick Foles, and Tony Gonzalez not making it is a travesty.
 
I don't care about the Foles snub. He is mediocre. Riding the best OL and run game to good stats. But i guess his play does deserve some acknowledgement. I just don't feel bad since i know as a player he ain't nothing special. Hes like griffin who also looked good riding the most unstoppable running game in the league. The eggs are a 5-11 team next year.

I'm still angry Romo isn't in here. He may have had a slightly worse year in 2013, but that's still better than Newton, Rivers, Brady and Wilson. I'm also just ashamed as a football fan of how there was no fucks given by the media and nfl fans in general about his season saving, miracle game winning drive against the Skins while in severe pain and no feeling in his right leg. Literally the best performance by a qb this year and no one cares. Romo deserves to be an mvp candidate, thats how much respect i have for him. I'm putting him in the same league as someone who has taken the QB position to new heights never seen before and had the greatest season by a player ever. Romo just suffers from being on a team who is cursed after the owner sold his soul to the devil for a third sb win 16(or so) years ago. It literally takes a top 3 performance by the qb to have the cowboys barely above water.

Other than quaterback, it's scary how many Browns there are. Plus 4 are on offense... Give these guys a good qb and they can definitley not need defense. Also why the fuck is mankins in here?
 
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