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latinoheat said:
So United get outplayed and Arsenal don't get a clear penalty. Yet of course as soon as United get a penalty shout, they get awarded it, despite the fact Rooney was going down before Almunia even touched him.
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Welcome to the "Barclays Manchester Unitedship"

United is horrid this year(i expected it), but "they" have to make sure to keep their fanbabies happy.


God damn Diaby.. god damn..


Arsenal.. good play tho.. regardless of the gayness and unlucky shit throughout.

(Seems like Arsenal always gets fucked over against Man U. Hmm.. )
 
yeah I'm a bit late but what a fucking disgrace. Rooney does pretty much the same thing as Eduardo did against Celtic yet nothing happens. We have a clear penalty, and guess what nothing happens. When referees give Man U pretty much every decision in their favour, its a disgrace.
 
Well, who's to say you would have scored the penalty? What difference would that penalty have made? Nothing, because Arshavin scored anyway and you got your goal advantage.

Arsenal did have the better of the play overall, they looked more threatening, but in all honesty, they didn't create that many clear cut chances either. Maybe Diaby should've done better with a scuffed shot, maybe on another day Foster wouldn't make an amazing save to prevent van Persie scoring, maybe on another day van Persie's over-weighted free kick would've sailed way over instead of hitting the bar (if it was any lower it would've been saved by Foster anyway).

Rooney went down because there was contact, what do you expect him to do? At least there was contact, unlike with Eduardo, and Eboué in this match. Those are what you call ridiculous dives, people. Two in two matches? I think Arsene needs to have a word with his team.

It's unlucky that Diaby can't head a ball, but seeing as Almunia left it to him, we got gifted a goal. However, Rooney was lurking behind Diaby, so if he made no contact, I'm pretty sure Rooney would've grabbed a second.

United were below par today, but even then, overall, United shaded the attempts, while Arsenal shaded the possession in the end. Arsenal did get more bookings, but to be honest I think the ref got the majority right. Fletcher would've got a yellow card if the penalty was given, but what would you rather have Arsenal fans? Fletcher on a yellow card and a chance to score, or a goal? I know which I'd go for every time.

Also, on another day, when Berbatov came on, we'd have rattled another 2-3 goals in during the last 5-10 minutes. We cut you open many times when you had to go for it in stoppage time, we really should've finished it then. United were still lucky, but you need luck to win sometimes.
 
you scored from the non pen so what exactly is the problem
you forget the fact almunia has no right to be that far out to make contact with rooney who was going nowhere anyway.
well i hope wenger saw the last seconds of the game from that position lol
 
To all you Man Utd haters - stop saying that Rooney didn't deserve the penalty. Almunia didn't get the ball at all(not a touch), but he sure got Rooney. That's a clear penalty according to the rulebook.
Fletcher's was arguable, he seemed to get both Arshavin and the ball.
 
Are you kidding me? Arshavin had already put the ball behind him before Fletcher tackled him and NOT the ball. It was much much clearer than Rooney's.
 
Yes, Almunia didn't get a touch on the ball, but Rooney was pretty much on the floor before he had even had been touched, thats a pretty clear dive. If that isn't trying to cheat the ref, then I don't know what is. Arshavins was incredibly clear, Fletcher did not touch the ball, completely took out Arshavin, and Arshavin did not fall on the floor before being touched.
 
I am a neutral in this game really and I think they were both penalties.
Fletcher definately took out Arshavin and got the ball but he came in from behind so It should be a penalty.
Also rooney was fouled by Almunia.

And I agree with Joel as in united get everything. As in the spurs match at OT last season spurs were ahead and then a Dodgy penalty was given to United and they went on to win 5-2.

Also Im gutted to hear about Luka breaking his leg. He has been one of our best players so far this season.
 
Just watched the rooney dive in slow motion from a good angle and it was your keeper's own stupid fault for diving in like that. I'd say quit whining but it's a part of the game now, just like diving.
 
Rooney did the right thing. He could have stayed on his feet, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that he was fouled by Almunia and has every right to claim a penalty. He would have been an idiot to have stayed on his feet. To liken it to what that ponce Eduardo did is foolish.

Fletcher's challenge was also a pen to be fair but like he said - he deserves some luck against Arsenal after last year.

Oh and one more thing

TOP OF THE LEAGUE TOP OF THE LEAGUE TOP OF THE LEAGUE XDDDD
 
Fletcher should've conceded a pen, but Arsenal scored from the same attack so its moot. He took the ball first, but with his hands.

Rooney's was 100% a penalty, not even a dive as some claimed. He's obviously seen the through ball and thought if I get here first, nick it away, he's gonna clattered me and I'll get a pen, which is exactly what happened. He's going down early because he was off balance, which is what happens when you lean forward when running at full pelt. He was going down early, but if it was really a dive, he'd have gone down asymmetrically, either from leaving his foot out for contact or propelling off one foot. This is all moot, since clearly Almunia has taken out Rooney, without getting to the ball at all. Whether or not Rooney is going down early, or if he's smoking a fucking cigar or running buck naked, Almunia cleared him out and hence it's a penalty. As Lee said, likening it to Eduardo is utterly stupid considering the difference in contact made by the goalkeeper (zero in Eduardo's case)

I don't remember complaining like a bitch when we played you off the pitch in the 2005 FA Cup Final for 120 minutes and lost on penalties. But what do you expect from Arsenal; look at Wenger, Gallas and co for the definition of whiners when you lose. All this talk about a Rooney dive and Fletcher fouls, when Eboue tried to get Evra sent off with a dive, not to mention his dives dating back to the CL final in 2006 to win the free kick which you scored from, as well as having the likes of Pires, Adebayor and Vieira who were serial divers in the recent past, the later of whom is one of the worst players in premier league history with regards to discipline records.
 
sbc has basically summed it up really well.

Whether or not Rooney is going down early, or if he's smoking a fucking cigar or running buck naked, Almunia cleared him out and hence it's a penalty.
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I lol'ed.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyt2LkVexDE

I just like to re-watch this in regards to out-playing Arsenal completely. Fletcher also got terribly unlucky here, making one of the best last-ditch tackles I've ever seen and getting sent off for it. A less commited player would've just let Fábregas go by since we led by four goals anyway. Maybe this one was luck favouring us instead.

I will agree that Fletcher may have deserved a yellow throughout the game for his build up of 'nothing' offences. But he was also perhaps one of our best players that game...
 
Fletcher got the ball but I think if he didn't take down Fabregas he would've at least had a chance to shoot. A red is accurate for the situation but you can't help but feel bad for the guy to not be able to play in the final =[.
 
husk said:
Fletcher got the ball but I think if he didn't take down Fabregas he would've at least had a chance to shoot. A red is accurate for the situation but you can't help but feel bad for the guy to not be able to play in the final =[.
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Husk, the point is that Fletcher got the ball. That means it's not a foul by any means, and hence a red is NOT appropriate. In fact it doesn't deserve a booking at all.
 
Even though Fletcher touched it Fabregas was still in a good position for a finish and then Fletcher took Fabragas out...I believe that's a penalty (though I guess you're right, not a booking)
 
Only situation in which if a player gets the ball it's still considered a foul is either a high challenge or a two footed lunge, otherwise making contact with the ball irregardless of what position the other player is not a foul.

Oh and if the Keeper has the ball in both hands and another player contacts the ball with intent to take it off the Keeper it's also foul :P


Also Arsenal scored from the same attack as the Penalty, be glad they didn't get the Penalty as at least they scored from the attack, Penalties aren't certain. Man Utd, were lucky, but hey that's football, and you cannot go back and say well if this happend, and that happend it'd be the different story. But the only thing you need to take is that the final score was 2-1 Utd.
 
No signings for Chelsea until 2011.. Pretty dramatic. I bet they appeal and get some time cut off it somehow...
 
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