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The Uber Metagame: a Fun "Change of Pace"

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Darkrai has been getting less and less action as a lead now that everyone and their mother have prepared for it in some degree. Darkrai is coming back as a late to middle game sweeper. It occasionally carries a Choice Scarf, but when it is not Darkrai is most likely the Nasty Plot varient.
Lately, I've also been noticing the absence of Lead Darkrais as well, since usually people have been either equipping their leads with lum berry or Sleep talk. You're right that most of the darkrais are now either the Nasty Plot variant or Choice Scarfed, but lately I've seen a bit of SpecsDarkrai in battle as well for some reason.

(Also, just including that lead deoxys-A seems to be decreasing in numbers now for some reason)

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Garchomp now ahs a place in the Uber game. He's become one of the most potent revenge killers in Ubers. He comes with the 102 Base Speed stat that out speeds a ton of ubers as is, given a Choice Scarf he is ready to play. Near the end of the month, the Sub + Salac + Swords Dance set became extremely popular.
Good old garchomp, still probably the best revenge killer in Ubers by far. For some reason, all of the Choice Banded/Yache Berry set became absent in the uber metagame. The thing is, I don't see how you can pull off a SubSwords dance due to the fact that Ice/Dragon attacks are everywhere in ubers.

Skymin @ Leftovers

Seed Bomb
Substitute
Earth Power
Swords Dance
Set gets walled by many of the pokemon in Ubers. I don't think Dialga gets 2HKO'd by Earth Power without max sp.att EVs (assuming this is a physical set and it doesn't carry max sp.att EVs).

Then again, I don't see why you didn't equip Life orb instead of leftovers, since it allows you to 2HKO dialga and 2HKO Groudon/Palkia almost every time.
 
Think anyone can tell me who Locopoke is? I haven't even seen him on the ladder, but he somehow got to 1840 (Second place) in less than a day. What kind of team does he run?

Edit: Well, I just faced him. Apparently the same thing happened to him that happened to me when I became #1, he faced a guy who kept just leaving a couple times. Weirdly enough, he beat me once and his rating increased by like 100 points as a result (it was 1840 before, now it's 1945, I witnessed it myself), so I can account for how low his differential really is. I beat him on our second and third times, but my rating barely increased by 1 point after both those battles.

I have no idea how the ladder system works, but wow, does it really look like it needs to be fixed. the #2 guy getting over 100 points for taking 5 points away from the #5 guy? Wow.

Edit: Now his win against Theorymon raised it up to 2053.
 
The thing is, I don't see how you can pull off a SubSwords dance due to the fact that Ice/Dragon attacks are everywhere in ubers.
Well, the SubSalac Swords Dance set really shines when you're setting up on something slow such as Groudon(who is pretty common). Also, it's not the Ice/Dragon attacks that ruin this set. The priority moves are a bother when Garchomp is at low health after activating the Salac Berry.
 
They both serve different roles. Latios can set up BP Mew extremely easily thanks to Screens + Memento, while Latias can wall the fuck out of Kyogre.
 
No, if I want to use Latias to "wall the fuck out of Kyogre" and Latios to annihilate everything not named Blissey? I don't use Mew.
 
Think anyone can tell me who Locopoke is? I haven't even seen him on the ladder, but he somehow got to 1840 (Second place) in less than a day. What kind of team does he run?

Edit: Well, I just faced him. Apparently the same thing happened to him that happened to me when I became #1, he faced a guy who kept just leaving a couple times. Weirdly enough, he beat me once and his rating increased by like 100 points as a result (it was 1840 before, now it's 1945, I witnessed it myself), so I can account for how low his differential really is. I beat him on our second and third times, but my rating barely increased by 1 point after both those battles.

I have no idea how the ladder system works, but wow, does it really look like it needs to be fixed. the #2 guy getting over 100 points for taking 5 points away from the #5 guy? Wow.

Edit: Now his win against Theorymon raised it up to 2053.

he iz da greatezt battla ov ol tyme

anyways, Latios is seriously the most dangerous special attacker that exists. Thats because if you EV him correctly, or if he gets a Calm Mind, your only hope of stopping him is a scarfOutrage, or Darkrai.

Notice how i didnt put Wobbuffet there because he doesnt count. :naughty:
Sadly, he isnt used as much, because SOME people choose different routes:naughty:

Edit: oh and blissey, but HE doesnt count either. Straighter than wobbuffet but not by much.

ROFL what am i saying here ive gotta get to bed.
 
he iz da greatezt battla ov ol tyme

anyways, Latios is seriously the most dangerous special attacker that exists. Thats because if you EV him correctly, or if he gets a Calm Mind, your only hope of stopping him is a scarfOutrage, or Darkrai.

Notice how i didnt put Wobbuffet there because he doesnt count. :naughty:
Sadly, he isnt used as much, because SOME people choose different routes:naughty:

Edit: oh and blissey, but HE doesnt count either. Straighter than wobbuffet but not by much.

ROFL what am i saying here ive gotta get to bed.

Flyingsolo, you have so much potential, why must you waste it trolling when I'm on Shoddybattle?
 
Meh, I thought about playing Ubers again ( I am by far not good ).

So can anyone tell me what has changed over the month. The last time I played.. ScarfOgre and DDRay were kinda popular. IIRC, Giratina was used as the primary wall, while leads were commonly Deo-f.

Did the metagame change significant? I wasnt never active but I kinda got off from Ubers so it'd be nice if someone could tell me.. Parasect and Quagsire seem to be getting some play here. ^_^
 
just look at usage stats and play a couple games. theres less than 20 pokemon you will ever see, so it doesnt take too long to get accustomed to
 
Wobbuffet is a serious threat now, I'd say enough to merit considering Shed Shell as an option on Blissey. Jumpluff is also being used, as a sort of Sun-abusing reverse Parasect.
 
i agree with reachzero. i use wobb on my team SPECIFICALLY to deal with blissey, as blissey is the only pokemon in the game who stops my strategy.

on my other team i use blissey and HOPE that they have a wobbofett. after toxicing wobb, they tickle a few times and bring in a pursuiter and kill blissey. This is a perfect time to bring in SDquaza if they are choiced or kyogre if they arent choiced.

ive noticed that the uber tier is starting to turn into more rock paper scissors though, any one else see that too??
 
Wobbuffet is a serious threat now, I'd say enough to merit considering Shed Shell as an option on Blissey. Jumpluff is also being used, as a sort of Sun-abusing reverse Parasect.

I'm not sure if its because of Wobbuffet, but I haven't seen a Lugia in around 3 days. I think Lugia also needs to run Shed Shell if it lacks toxic (only around 18% of them had Toxic last month), as Wobbuffet really screws it over. In additon to Jumpluff, I have also been seeing Ludicolo pulling of a very simalar stragy to Jumpluff in the rain.
 
I'm not sure if its because of Wobbuffet, but I haven't seen a Lugia in around 3 days. I think Lugia also needs to run Shed Shell if it lacks toxic (only around 18% of them had Toxic last month), as Wobbuffet really screws it over. In additon to Jumpluff, I have also been seeing Ludicolo pulling of a very simalar stragy to Jumpluff in the rain.

Have you seen fewer Giratinas, or is it just Lugia shying away (Giratina also has the Pursuit weakness)?
 
Too be honest, I haven't seen much of ether Giratina or Lugia.

First of all, its "to be honest"
get it straight

Anyways, Wobbuffet is seriously the cheapest and for the lack of a better description, "gayest" Pokemon of all time.

I think that for the Uber Metagame to be recognized as a true tier of competitive play, it has to become more than simply a ban list for Pokemon considered too strong or cheap for OU.

There HAS to be one more level, like banned from all competitive play, which Wobbuffet will be a part of. Arceus should also be in that level, when it is released.

Much like how Wobbuffet was banned for OU, it should be banned from Ubers, but as of now Ubers is still a ban list and not an actual metagame, which is wrong.
 
First of all, its "to be honest"
get it straight

Anyways, Wobbuffet is seriously the cheapest and for the lack of a better description, "gayest" Pokemon of all time.

I think that for the Uber Metagame to be recognized as a true tier of competitive play, it has to become more than simply a ban list for Pokemon considered too strong or cheap for OU.

There HAS to be one more level, like banned from all competitive play, which Wobbuffet will be a part of. Arceus should also be in that level, when it is released.

Much like how Wobbuffet was banned for OU, it should be banned from Ubers, but as of now Ubers is still a ban list and not an actual metagame, which is wrong.

Sorry dude, that is not how Ubers works. Ubers is not a "competitve tier" but a ban list for OU. Because of this, no Pokemon can be banned there for competitive reasons. A pokemon can only be banned in ubers if it is unobtainable (like Arceus). Hell, there have even been some debates on whether there should be a ban on double team in OHKO moves in ubers.

In additon to this, Wobbuffet is very stopable. Putting shed shell on walls like Blissey and Lugia will make Wobbuffet almost useless. Using powerful pokemon like Specs Ogre, Nasty Plot Darkrai, and Swords Dance Rayquaza means Wobbuffet is useless vs. them. Before you say that is "overcenteralizing", that is fine, as Ubers is a very centrailized metagame. Hell, its all about Kyogre, not Wobbuffet and Mew. The fact that you constanly troll people on shoddy for using Wobbuffet and Mew in the unbalanced metagame that is Ubers is really making your statement less valid.

Edit: Ubers is never going to be balanced, deal with it.
 
Sorry dude, that is not how Ubers works. Ubers is not a "competitve tier" but a ban list for OU. Because of this, no Pokemon can be banned there for competitive reasons. A pokemon can only be banned in ubers if it is unobtainable (like Arceus). Hell, there have even been some debates on whether there should be a ban on double team in OHKO moves in ubers.

In additon to this, Wobbuffet is very stopable. Putting shed shell on walls like Blissey and Lugia will make Wobbuffet almost useless. Using powerful pokemon like Specs Ogre, Nasty Plot Darkrai, and Swords Dance Rayquaza means Wobbuffet is useless vs. them. Before you say that is "overcenteralizing", that is fine, as Ubers is a very centrailized metagame. Hell, its all about Kyogre, not Wobbuffet and Mew. The fact that you constanly troll people on shoddy for using Wobbuffet and Mew in the unbalanced metagame that is Ubers is really making your statement less valid.

Edit: Ubers is never going to be balanced, deal with it.

Dont make me die laughing

-in ur first paragraph, you basically restated what I said, that its a ban list rather than a competitive tier, which is wrong.

-Then, the very fact that Wobbuffet makes walls like Blissey and Lugia carry Shed Shell shows you how gay it is.
Wobbuffet is also not as stoppable as you make it seem. SpecsOgre and NP Darkrai are probably the only 2 Pokemon carrying enough firepower to beat Wobbuffet.

Wobbuffet can survive a +2, Adamant Life Orb Dragon Claw from Rayquaza which is bullshit.

-I dont "troll" people using Wobbuffet and Mew, i mean its just two people that are bad enough to have to resort to abusing Wobbuffet in order to win.

So it doesnt make my statement any less valid, as it is a very legitamate arguement.

-I deal with it just fine, I have several anti-Wobb teams. you've seen one of them, and I dont think you've ever beaten it lol.

-Lastly, How does it make you feel that your beloved one and only tier of play is an unbalanced mess?
 
Ubers is a ban list, I used to believe that Mew was broken, but now I see how silly of a thought it really was. Everything in Ubers has a check (except maybe Arceus) if it be revenge killing or an easy switch it. Wobb has merely made it easier to break walls which, on its own, isn't a bad thing. Wobb can also set up other pokemon extremely easily, but he does have his faults. He can't take powerful hits, so Lati@s with Calm Mind should be able to beat him. As for Rayquaza use Outrage instead of Dragon Claw.

I personally think that Theorymon should be congratulated for his work in the Uber tier. He has showen how several pokemon should be used, and has opened up the Uber metagame for another shift. Without him we'd still be at the "Fuck a Blissey" stage in our game, which isn't really fun.
 
Darkrai has been getting less and less action as a lead now that everyone and their mother have prepared for it in some degree. Darkrai is coming back as a late to middle game sweeper. It occasionally carries a Choice Scarf, but when it is not Darkrai is most likely the Nasty Plot varient.

Everyone expected this I guess ;). Darkrai lead started to be easy to deal with and anything with Lum Berry and strong hit like Dialga or Groudon easily annihilated it. I'm surprised with seeing less ScarfDarkrai, it's really solid revenge killer with unique Spacial Rend, making it a decent Palkia revenge killer. And yeah, Nasty Plot will be the most popular soon.

Deoxys is not used much outside of a lead; even then, it's only Deoxys-s or the ocasional Deoxys-a. Deoxys usage is going down, the Defense version sees hardly any use, while the normal version isn't used... ever. Deoxys cannot compete with Scizor running around with Choice Band U-turn and with all of the powerful hard hitting attacks all over the place.

With all those Scizors running rampant Deoxys-A has really hard time to do anything usefull. It's too easily revenge killed and weak to priority moves. Deoxys-S lead thanks to Darkrai drop may be again quite popular, especially with Focus Sash. I'm surprised with not so big use of Double-Screener - with that speed it's probably one of the best dual screen users. And Deoxys-S sweeping set is surprisingly solid. Decent Garchomp, non-scarf Darkrai, Rayquaza and Groudon revenge killer. Some may try it, I'm testing it and it's interesting. And Rayquaza has only 8% to OHKO it with ExtremeSpeed.

Dialga became second place in the Uber tier last month. The Scarf and Specs Dialga sets becaming increasingly popular, while the Bulk Up set slowly died down. Dialga came back as the #1 Swords Dance Rayquaza counter when given Choice Scarf, while the Choice Specs set (somewhat of a surprise) will break open the normal wall of Dialga, Lugia.

Yeah, I found that Bulk Up Dialga gets much less popular then in the past. But it's still good, solid tank, which without good phazer is hard to stop. I don't like ScarfDialga as it is too slow for me. And Palkia or Garchomp still has solid chance to take +2 Swords Danced ExtremeSpeed from Rayquaza. SpecsDialga is a beast and I really don't want too see too many of them ;). It's annoying as hell to fight against that monster.

Garchomp now ahs a place in the Uber game. He's become one of the most potent revenge killers in Ubers. He comes with the 102 Base Speed stat that out speeds a ton of ubers as is, given a Choice Scarf he is ready to play. Near the end of the month, the Sub + Salac + Swords Dance set became extremely popular.

I'm only surprised that people don't trust CBChomp, as it hits hard as hell and it still outspeeds many uber threats. And Lugia can't handle it as Garchomp 2OHKOes with Outrage and survives Ice Beam at full health. Or Crunch/Stone Edge is enough for 2OHKO. Yeah, I saw a few SD Salac Chomps.

Giratina is still not getting used much, or at all over the other wall of Ubers, Lugia. Giratina is usually seen on stall teams so to have a good spin blocker. The Dragon Claw / Pulse Rest Talk set is still the most common set. Giratina-O hasn't seen much use at all, though when he does it's the Mixed Attacker set, or the Sub Calm Mind set.

Giratina-O I think it's a bit more popular then in the past. When people realised that it's probably the best choice to beat heavy uber stall, they're trying it. And Giratina will be popular again thanks to Arceus.

Groudon is still a very commonly used Uber pokemon, the support set and the lead seem to be very popular now. Rock Polish seems to have died down on its own, as with Swords Dance. "Double Dance" has taken priority over both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, the only issue it seems to face is coverage.

Yeah, Rock Polish isn't that popular like a few weeks/months ago, but it still is good late game sweeper and I saw few last time. But some people just use it too early, making it easy to stop by Lugia, Physical Wall MewTwo or Giratina, when they're at full health. ParaDancer is more popular though, and probably most annoying Groudon version (at least in my opinion). About Double Dancer - maybe I'm unlucky, but I saw maybe... two or three last time. Double Dancer just need to much time for true set-up in metagame with all those fast and heavily hitting sweepers.

Kyogre has still seemed to remain the king of Ubers for the past few months. Given the rain giving it double STAB is nothing to joke about. Specs Kyogre is still the most popular set, though there were a few Scarf Kyogre leads. Calm Mind / Rest / Sleep Talk / Surf was used a bit, and same with the Calm Mind three attack set.

Yeah, ScarfOgre makes a little come-back as I remember that in last few weeks it was really rare. SpecsOgre is still the king, but CMOgre gets popular, I guess thanks to pokemon like Parasect or Latias, which annoys SpecsOgre as hell. Maybe that will give Quagsire some more uses, which has Encore to easily beat CM versions.

Latios is rarely seen in Ubers at all, but when he is seen the Dual Screen + Memento pass is common, along with the all out sweeper set. Latios with Dual Screen + Memento makes great set up fodder for Mew, and of course will BP stats to a random pokemon.

Some people started to use Sub 3 attacker with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse. It's quite annoying when Scizor and/or Blissey are dead.

Latias, unlike her brother, is seen a bit more; most often on stall teams than anything else. Latias is still the only true Kyogre counter, being able to switch in and weaken it's Water Spout, along with threatening to hurt it severly with Grass Knot or Thunder. Latias' usually runs Calm Mind / Recover / Grass Knot - Thunder / Dragon Pulse.

Reflect starts to be popular on Latias to at least stand a chance against Metagross, Scizor or TTar.

Mewtwo is seen somewhat often in Ubers. The most common set, as of now, is the Scarf Mewtwo lead. Often used to counter the common leads + Trick a Scarf to everything else. Mewtwo also can be seen suing Calm Mind and some version of Taunt or the three attack set.

I would add here "wall" sets as some people use them with good effects. But I agree, ScarfMewTwo is probably the most popular. But still, with all those deadly Pursuit users I think it's overrated.

Palkia is still one of the best revenge killers in Ubers thanks to its fantastic Special Attack stat, and decent speed. Though, more and more people seem to have been breaking away from the Scarf set and have been using Lustrous Orb Palkia instead. If this is because of the surprise factory, or to open up more possibilities I do not know.

At last as ScarfPalkia started to be predictible as hell. Yeah, Lustrous Orb and SubPunching Palkia gets some love, which is quite good news. It makes uber tier more interesting.

Rayquaza is still seen fairly often; the mix Rayquaza set seemed to be used somewhat late in the month, though Swords Dance Rayquaza is one of his better sets. Dragon Dance seems to be almost completely forgotten. Lugia still walls this thing to no extent.

Nah, I saw more then few DDQuazas. People realised that SDQuaza has few problems to deal with and it's easier to be countered. But still it's popular anyway. MixQuaza also gets some love, but still it's nothing really popular.

Thanks to Theorymon (and to my dismay) Wobbuffet, or (>~<)7 is now getting quite a bit of action in Ubers, due to him being able to break walls like Blissey and Lugia like nothing. He is also a set up machine, do not be shocked if his usage continues to rise.

Gosh, that thing start to be annoying ;). I hate it, but luckily I don't run many pure walls in my Ubers teams, so I can handle it somehow. But yeah, Shed Shell may start to be popular on those Lugias and Blissey. But still I prefer this then some stall fuck-fest, which is more far annoying with Blissey being the star of the show.
 
-Yea I understand Its a banlist, but Im saying it should be more than a banlist for OU

Or at the very least, there should be a banlist for Ubers too.

-And the fact that Wobb makes it easier to break walls proves my point. You could either break it with skill and outplay ur opponent's stall team, or you could use Wobbuffet.

-You also brought up a great point where everything has a check except Arceus, and whats gonna happen when it comes out, when there is still no Uber Banlist?

-Yea, Ill give Theorymon some credit on using stuff like Toxicroak and Heracross, but Wobbuffet was a mistake and has to go.

-Because, you're also forgetting another ability of Wobbuffets', other than breaking walls and setting up stuff(which, is quite gay)

Its the ultimate revenger. It makes stuff like Scarf Dialga and Palkia a strict one-time use. So if you rely on either to beat something like SD/DD Rayquaza, and they "gay" it to death with Wobbuffet, then its pretty much gg. So what Wobbuffet makes you do is to carry at least 2 checks to almost every threat, especially Rayquaza.

And we all know how impossible that is with 6 Pokemon.

-So yea, making it easier to break walls, "on its own," isnt a bad thing, but
I think anyone could see that people who resort to Wobbuffet to break walls is clearly something else.

Gosh, that thing start to be annoying ;). I hate it, but luckily I don't run many pure walls in my Ubers teams, so I can handle it somehow. But yeah, Shed Shell may start to be popular on those Lugias and Blissey. But still I prefer this then some stall fuck-fest, which is more far annoying with Blissey being the star of the show.

I wouldnt be so mad over it if all it could do was break walls because I never use them anyway. However, it renders every sort of offense besides the aforementioned NP Darkrai, Specs Ogre, and the ridiculous SD Rayquaza Outrage which is just plain suicide, useless.
Plus it has encore, which makes something that would normally be hard to do, such as getting an oppurtunity for Rayquaza to use Swords Dance, an incredibly easy and skill-less task.
 
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