Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

rip that means Ransei needs to lock in…

lorb is cool for going from under 75% with steam to 80 min on hooh plus guarantees OHKO on heatran unboosted plus as ptoast suggested damage is fun (+2 sunsteel always kills Melo vs never kills Melo).
4a or 3a spore sounds interesting but I personally prefer the instant wins +2 mmy can get versus stuff like those stalls where your mmy answer is wg or prank hooh and then it takes 80% and they forfeit lol.
ttar does sink momentum a bit but leppa LTBTS off 165 atk obviously helps with this + you can go glare over ssap. Encore/Lkiss/Spore are also probably fine. Pursuit is pretty important to the set, I made it to hard punish pbond gengar for actually clicking moongeist and pick off that annoying psysurge spam on ladder and then backwards improofed MMX with it (which is why it’s v-create)

I’ll upload a post tearing apart the other teams later ZeldaFan1, I actually wrote this but then turned off my computer which deleted it and since it was like six paragraphs per team (I was VERY bored) I didn’t feel like writing it again

anyways tyranitar is really cool and CFZs are really good so I might try some harvtar shiest

I don’t really know how to end this either so hello1433 ladder is a false matrix, if you spam enough games at it eventually you win enough to get high ladder because 90% of the players suck which is how Zeus got #1. Also viola lunala built one of the teams lol explains 248 HP mg gar. We got blind leading the blind in USUM PH before GTA 6

finally uhhh it has come to my awareness that one of my teams has zap cannon mgb gengar. Please make one of these fissure/sheercold.

apparently I got to the 29th page? Can I say first? Couldnt have done it without the spam of obnoxious oneliners shoutout Yeetoos and the others

Hell there Dark Wall if this is you (That nickname seems familiar, also I am not blind) ALSO If your gonna dissect team's at least provide constructive criticism on HOW to fix said teams otherwise your just being a prick IMO doing such actions without at least Proving some Teambuilding TIPS is just Idk Welp Idfk anymore ladder is shit Edit: Buddy do you just like being a prick? like just pointing out every FLAW in a team? well post one of YOUR teams here if you belive yourself SOO good at least provide proof of having the teambuilding knowledge to be disecting teams like this

 

[WindySnivy_]

honestly i'm not against ladder because the post phpl ladder is pretty much the only ladder i've ever known so this feels very normal, the only ladder i played before was low ladder which doesn't follow any meta shifts
also if you've been wondering why i always call fc BYRD its because of this team which i peaked 1500 with and really liked

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

honestly i'm not against ladder because the post phpl ladder is pretty much the only ladder i've ever known so this feels very normal, the only ladder i played before was low ladder which doesn't follow any meta shifts
also if you've been wondering why i always call fc BYRD its because of this team which i peaked 1500 with and really liked

noice! though bleak blast is weird?

 

[Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier]

ZeldaFan1 can we get a fanfiction about one liners? I swear they’re scarier than coil megagross…

Seriously though Ransei please either moderate your thread or have someone else do it who’s actually interested, this is going from “slightly annoying, just enough to joke about” to “this is actively ruining PH thread”

Aside from that, it’s time for me to make this NOT a one liner by posting some teams! Except this time it’s only two teams. Eyeos’s suffering will never end as this is a DOUBLE SAMPLE SUBMISSION!!!!

https://pokepast.es/00b3af74e7e97cc0

so I was larping around with ptoast (my goat btw PenultimateToast fried me on ladder while I was using this) and they kept suggesting to make my sets more insane. This led to the reinvention of Deoxys except it only clicks zmoves. I later added yveltal to the paste while theorycrafting yveltal sets

Later that day, I was messing around in sr2 trying to make viable sets for a different teamdump. I eventually decided on trying leppa pdon sets but couldn’t get one that I didn’t feel was an inferior MMX or MMY. Ghastlypixie I think? Suggested using magic guard or wonder guard, which made me realize that mold breaker existed and add that to the squad. After moldy v-create and smash I thought that slowbro and other waters would be a problem so I added stoked sparksurfer because para is broken then added let’s snuggle forever because it hits dragons especially zygarde. Unfortunately you can’t use a physical electric Z-move and OHKO slowbro neutrally I believe so you kinda arent improofed with big innards but also just v-create spam versus imposter then innards it or revenge with Deoxys idk. With yveltal, pdon, and Deoxys on the squad it was gonna be innards improof so I asked phcord for silly innards sets and Electra passed this one which is relatively funny not sure how good it is though because I only needed to escape pursuit once and it left me at 25% which is pretty much useless.

After that I just slapped MMX and gengar and called it a day tbh very boring but if it works it works. The proof I have of this being at least slightly sample worthy (it isn’t) is that it got to top ten (rank 7 highest 1703 iirc) without me needing to think much. I always got cteamed by the time I’d try to climb past 170X though which was irritating.

you have weak matchups into like everything lol. If you guess the set wrong it’s probably over. Also if people use random unsets like scarf no guard and focus sash wonder guard kartana you probably just lose a Pokémon. No guard as a whole is tough too try to get tspike and fimp if it’s Deoxys, trade something and fimp into gengar, or tspike and fimp mmy. Others exist too but that’s case-by-case. Pbond gengar needs you to make every play right or you probably lose. Fakespeed evoboost slaking (kinda fake ngl try to do something well not two things poorly) forces innards.

It’s a double sample submission but the other one is just a modified version because I wanted eyeos to endure more. This one is less silly which annoys me but it’s better so whatever.

https://pokepast.es/ead5a88421767284

holy shit a core that actually beats no guard (fissure loses to yveltal sheer cold gets swapped around with innards + groudon)

You totally lose to multiple OHKO which is a fraud set so just play better. It’s basically the same team so I’ll just explain that Deoxys EVs are to guarantee OHKO on imp with any attack.

Happy testing, Eyeos ! I hope you like seeing the phrase “ate its leppa berry!” Because that happens a lot here.

What the fuck is a stall
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2481256158

Spoiler

this is not ever making it to samples lmao

ps oneliners: please delete them I’m making a whole stockpile of teams and some random with a ladder peak of 1500 rolls up and posts ten words and makes my dubious teams annoying to read because you have to scroll up past little Timmy’s funny haha remark or random question that could have been on the discord or the PS! Room.

 

[NToTheN]

OK things are started to get a little bit heated so I'm just going to step in.

Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier we've seen you complaining about one-liners and such. I do agree but it's not nearly as bad as you've been making it out to be. Short posts are fine as long as they add constructively to the conversation which most posts have. Despite the name, when we discourage "one-liners" we aren't literally discouraging posts that are one line long, although yes ideally there would be more. Just for example, take the short posts replying to rightclicker's monotype teams post. Would the posts be higher quality if there was a little paragraph about the team accompanying them or something else? Sure. But they are hardly worth deleting in their current states because they do contribute to the discussion. There are posts on here that aren't constructive and probably warrant deleting but the reaction seems disproportionate. We do hear you though that some of the discussion on here might be better suited for the PS! room or discord and we agree.

Ahh Yes double submission to make Eyeos test more samples LOVELY! also No I will not stop with the one liners yes im just teasing yes im gonna post the most annoying team to have eyeos test!

Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^ What was with that response? I understand you might be frustrated at their complaining but please try to be more civil than this. If you have a problem with them work it out in DMs, not in a public thread.

Also usum council tests teams not just eyeos idk where this idea that only eyeos tests sample submissions got started ;-;

 

[splodge]

as much as i wanted to post this wonderful thing diemond35472 said on its own

i'm also getting annoyed with all these one-liners just like gloomstalker is so i won't post a one-liner and instead i'm posting a few shit teams i made while i was probably on something. (these are NOT sample sumbissions, eyeos you're finally free)

: wanted to build balance with mg solg as an alternative to pdon as it has nice defensive utililty, stab sunsteel and solg z (ndm is ugly and evil and slow and not as bulky and should probably be like c tier atp). please don't calc how much freeze-dry to zyg, but you could probably go volt tackle instead to hit stuff like gyara harder. ho-oh is the improof instead of heatran because i hate fissure, but 4x rocks weakness is pretty sad. rest of the team should be self-explanitory.

idk what i was thinking with this one. deo sets hazards and clean offensive teams once innards/fakespeed have been killed or innards™ed, both kartana are meant to kill things (volcanion isn't real, it can't hurt me), imp + dual innards also help vs offense. the level 71 one means you can always die to min attack pbond gar's first hit of u-turn while still being able to run eviolite so you don't also fold to special moves, unfortunately it coincidentally barely doesn't kills slaking.

idk man

diancie kills things, steelix improofs diancie, rest is self-explanitory. when i posted the diancie set in a side hackmons related server aidan amoongus thought it was for bh which is kinda funny.

same team but with gardevoir, since it gets big stab psystrike to snipe rarer stuff like pogre and wg blob, not really much else to say.

are these teams good? probably not tbh, but my ph mindset is currently building sheist teams. they're super fun to use though.


how did this make its way onto my post

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^___^]

OK things are started to get a little bit heated so I'm just going to step in.

Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier we've seen you complaining about one-liners and such. I do agree but it's not nearly as bad as you've been making it out to be. Short posts are fine as long as they add constructively to the conversation which most posts have. Despite the name, when we discourage "one-liners" we aren't literally discouraging posts that are one line long, although yes ideally there would be more. Just for example, take the short posts replying to rightclicker's monotype teams post. Would the posts be higher quality if there was a little paragraph about the team accompanying them or something else? Sure. But they are hardly worth deleting in their current states because they do contribute to the discussion. There are posts on here that aren't constructive and probably warrant deleting but the reaction seems disproportionate. We do hear you though that some of the discussion on here might be better suited for the PS! room or discord and we agree.


Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^ What was with that response? I understand you might be frustrated at their complaining but please try to be more civil than this. If you have a problem with them work it out in DMs, not in a public thread.

Also usum council tests teams not just eyeos idk where this idea that only eyeos tests sample submissions got started ;-;

Sorry I was just trying to cool things off with a joke my apologies if anything came of as rude but things have been worked out also atp Its a running Gag that Eyeos is the only team tester

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^___^]

Speaking of teams I have another sample submission https://pokepast.es/d53f8a672d92e883 this team I find has enough coverage to get around most of the common teams on ladder while being able to not just get swept by a team of six blobs if played right and I have dont pretty well with this team and while theres obviously most likely problems that could be picked apart im gonna let the people of this thread do that! YES feel FREE to put your opinions of this submission but not to derail from the topic of this team it has A Huge Power MMX that coverage that let's it hit alot of things (Don't try hitting Sableye tho cause you won't be able to) and for things you can't just hit with MMX theres MMYwith moonblast to force Those Dark Types out Kartana is WG to make sure NG doesn't just sweep you if the blob was already sacked Psysurge obviously keeps Prio mons like Triage ray from going ham and the blob is standard blob stuff

 

[AnsonIsTheBest]

interesting and underrated(mabye) sets I found recently
Beedrill-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn / Pursuit
- First Impression
- Sunsteel Strike
- V-create / Spectral Thief / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike

150 atk and 137 atk is actually a lot different, whilst being a poison type give you important niche like ability to absorb tspikes and fairy resistance.

beedrill calcs

V-create vs. 447-526 (107.4 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
First Impression vs. -1 504-594 (121.1 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 655-772 (157.4 - 185.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 499-588 (119.9 - 141.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252+ Def 426-504 (105.4 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Spectral Thief vs. 447-528 (107.4 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 346-407 (85.6 - 100.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
First Impression vs. 252+ Def 398-471 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 252+ Def 312-369 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
V-create vs. 252+ Def Fur Coat 221-260 (62.4 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Moongeist Beam vs. 250-295 (74.8 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Pixilate Extreme Speed vs. 120-142 (35.9 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Pixilate Boomburst vs. 146-172 (43.7 - 51.4%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Sunsteel Strike vs. 168-198 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Gyarados-Mega @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Will-O-Wisp / Spore
- Power Trip
- Sunsteel Strike
Found this in calc extension. This is actually so beautiful

Pheromosa @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Pin Missile
- V-create
fast Fighting move user is so underrated

Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Mewtwonite Y
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Mild Nature
- Spore
- Shell Smash
- Photon Geyser
- Power Trip

uhhhh I have no idea what does it do, mabye cooler gren

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moongeist Beam
- Shell Smash
- Trick
- Photon Geyser

not quite sure if it actually does anything over normal wg ndw but stag trick scarf is big utility especially against stall but on the other hand wg blocking uturn is also big... idk
[WIP]

 

[Ransei]

I and the rest of the USUM Council have acknowledged that our resources haven't been updated in a very long time, so we've looked into changes being made to update things to the current state of the metagame and what draws players in. The VR Update is currently being worked on and will be posted some time in the near future. For now, we have sample teams updated.

After lots of consideration to the effectiveness of submitted teams as well as their overall appeal in the meta from incoming players, here list of teams and updates:

Sample Teams
(Most offensive <---> Most defensive)


MMX Spam Hyper Offense by sussyamongusdrip


Lopunny + Psychic Terrain Hyper Offense by gold0987


White Kyurem Offense by aerobee


Ash Ketchum Offense by Ransei


Diamancie Revamped by Eyeos


Yveltal Spam by Archey


Shadow Tag Gyarados Stall by Eyeos

Legacy Samples

Z Pdon + No Guard Greninja Offense by NToTheN


Power Trip Gyarados + Ice Shard Leppa MMX Balance by NToTheN


Shedinja Semistall by aerobee


Z-Lovely Kiss Greninja Baton Pass by aerobee


Anchor Shot Audino + Scarf Imposter Stall by aerobee


Dual Magic Guard Triple MMX Hyper Offense by Bahamut


MMX + Lunala Balance by NToTheN


Primal Groudon Spam by aerobee


Smash Mega Gyarados Psychic Terrain Hyper Offense by aerobee


No Guard Lopunny Hyper Offense by Bahamut


PBond Gengar + Bounce PDon Offense by NToTheN


Zenith Mode by Ransei


Altrove by @AV Cosmoem


CLOCKUP FLOWERS by Akira 153


Trick-or-Treat Yveltal Balance by @AV Cosmoem


Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance by NToTheN


Substitute Harvest Slaking Semistall by sussyamongusdrip

Changelog:

Changelog

February 10, 2024

• Changed HP EVs to 248 on BP sample Greninja

August 12, 2024

November 2, 2024

• Moved Z-Lovely Kiss Fullpass team to legacy
• Moved Anchor Shot Mega Audino stall to legacy
• Added Stag Gyara Stall to samples
• Added Sub Harvest Slaking Semistall to samples
• Added Z Pdon + No Guard Gren to legacy
• Added Power Trip Gyara + Ice Shard MMX to legacy
• Added Shedinja Semistall to legacy

November 5, 2024

• Fixed EVs in Stag Gyarados Stall by Eyeos
• Fixed a few teams not linking to author account correctly

December 28, 2024

• Moved Dual Magic Guard Triple MMX Hyper Offense to legacy
• Added Zenith Mode to samples
• Reordered the sample teams to better reflect how offensive/defensive each team is

February 9, 2025

• Moved MMX + Lunala Balance to legacy
• Added Trick-or-Treat Yveltal Balance to samples

April 2, 2025

• Moved Primal Groudon Spam to legacy
• Moved aerobee's psychic terrain HO to legacy
• Moved No Guard Lopunny HO by Bahamut to legacy
• Moved Pdond Gengar + Bounce PDon Offense to legacy
• Moved Zenith Mode to legacy
• Moved Diamancie to legacy
• Added MMX spam hyper offense to samples
• Added gold's Lopunny + psyterrain HO to samples
• Added Altrove by samples
• Added CLOCKUP FLOWERS to samples
• Added Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance to samples
• Added Diamancie revampled to samples

April 3, 2025

• Fixed moves on Lopunny + Psyterrain HO

October 18, 2025

• Moved Altrove to legacy
• Moved CLOCKUP FLOWERS to legacy
• Moved Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance to legacy
• Moved Substitute Harvest Slaking Semistall to legacy
• Added White Kyurem Offense to samples
• Added Ash Ketchum to samples
• Added Yveltal spam to samples
• Removed Diamancie from legacy

Enjoy!

Upon reconsideration on our part as USUM Pure Hackmons council, we will now be replacing the Bird Council Yveltal Spam with Child of Night's Primal Kyogre stall team, which has done impressively on the ladder and against notable players alike.

Metagame Post in thread 'USUM Pure Hackmons'

Oct 18, 2025

Sample team submission

Primal Kyogre stall





https://pokepast.es/8424993b9a3f5643​

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I have been cooking up this team for about a year now, and I feel like it would make a fine sample at this point. I have made some changes recently to make the team a bit easier to pilot while not really diminishing its effectiveness, and to account for recent ladder usage trends. It has shown great results over the past year and has continued to get better recently due to HO...

• Child of Night

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Primal Kyogre Stall by Child of Night

It'll be placed on the bottom of the samples list as it is the now the most overall defensive sample team.

On the side note: Sample submissions are now closed for the time being - They've gotten far too out of hand on this thread while being left open indefinitely. We may still be looking into making future teams sample worthy in the future but not on this thread.

 

[hello1433]

interesting and underrated(mabye) sets I found recently
Beedrill-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn / Pursuit
- First Impression
- Sunsteel Strike
- V-create / Spectral Thief / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike

150 atk and 137 atk is actually a lot different, whilst being a poison type give you important niche like ability to absorb tspikes and fairy resistance.

beedrill calcs

V-create vs. 447-526 (107.4 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
First Impression vs. -1 504-594 (121.1 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 655-772 (157.4 - 185.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 499-588 (119.9 - 141.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252+ Def 426-504 (105.4 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Spectral Thief vs. 447-528 (107.4 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 346-407 (85.6 - 100.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
First Impression vs. 252+ Def 398-471 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 252+ Def 312-369 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
V-create vs. 252+ Def Fur Coat 221-260 (62.4 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Moongeist Beam vs. 250-295 (74.8 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Pixilate Extreme Speed vs. 120-142 (35.9 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Pixilate Boomburst vs. 146-172 (43.7 - 51.4%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Sunsteel Strike vs. 168-198 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

yes finally someone else understands mbee's capabilities as a sweeper. i really thought i was the only one who uses mbee this why but either way yes yes yyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss.