this is true like my team is never going to be a sample as it's mbee offense https://pokepast.es/01327028d48b7089
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monotype teamdump wooo who the fuck cares
the typing itself is probably good with the holy trinity of broken offensive psychics however i am truly awful at building teams so theres a pbond mmy and an evoboost hoopa-u and a singular way to comeback from a losing position being innards wobb (no stag mmx doesnt count)
laddered to 1472 on paranormal seeker (definitely couldve gone higher but i got bored)
also a fine type but its heavily carried by pdon. main setup control is prank pdon + mg pdon, hooh is because of fissure immune + moongeist softcheck. pwhip on reshiram is an attempt to hit pert since the team gets 6-0d by it otherwise. the main problem i found was that speed control really sucked as i didnt want to use talonflame or wg pdon so it ended up hilariously weak to no guard; so i gave this up pretty early
laddered to 1368 on the burning world (same reason as psychic)
"why is this not pdon spam" it would be lame as fuck to build pdon spam twice in a row so i limited myself to 2 pdons
ground is in a weird spot where theres a bunch of decent to great mons but likewise to fire theres just not enough speed control. unlike fire however we actually have a solid scarfposter to play around so its not as bad as it is. idk why the lando isnt bounce and the bounce pdon isnt something that actually breaks here tho... pert pivots around and chomper is a phys breaker that can directly kill zyg. the no guard pdon is sick tho i'd keep that in the books for future use
laddered to like 1300 on petrichor v before i crashed out on some ladder bullshit and just started running mono normal instead
...yes, there is kartana in mono steel. no, that doesn't mean mono steel is good, since kart is basically the only good offensive mon we get.
despite having the second best physical breaker in the game it feels impossible to break both fat and offense without completely giving up the matchup against one (and even trying to beat offense in itself is already a futile task with our selection of mons).
if you have any ideas on how to improve this, feel free to do so because i will not try to continue building nor will i playtest this ever
ok so the main problem with mono bug isnt the mon selection. its not even the typing itself either. the problem is that our offensive stats are too low to do anything. yes there's heracross but its far too slow to be anything but a half baked revenge killer. there's beedrill but frankly that mon is just pretty bad and i have no interest in using him. and then we arrive at pheromosa, who is decent but her offensive stats are just a tad bit too low for spam to work, like seriously you're telling me huge power sunsteel doesnt even crack FUCKING 80% on mega gengar???? nah man get me outta this shit
i did like 4 games before quitting because the above calc happened
dragon is fine. the typing is mid but there are so many usable mons its honestly insane. i have a personal vendetta against mono dragon though because my wifi disconnected 4 times and made me lose in completely unlosable scenarios
the sets are pretty standard-ish minus the last 2. dialga is the anti setup while garchomp returns from mono ground with a vengeance and acts as the raw unboosted power of this team. team's quite weak to no guard though thanks to the overreliance on sash which i surprisingly haven't done so far when building monotype teams considering i only build offense
laddered to 1601 on legendspamisntreal
the typing itself is probably good with the holy trinity of broken offensive psychics however i am truly awful at building teams so theres a pbond mmy and an evoboost hoopa-u and a singular way to comeback from a losing position being innards wobb (no stag mmx doesnt count)
laddered to 1472 on paranormal seeker (definitely couldve gone higher but i got bored)
also a fine type but its heavily carried by pdon. main setup control is prank pdon + mg pdon, hooh is because of fissure immune + moongeist softcheck. pwhip on reshiram is an attempt to hit pert since the team gets 6-0d by it otherwise. the main problem i found was that speed control really sucked as i didnt want to use talonflame or wg pdon so it ended up hilariously weak to no guard; so i gave this up pretty early
laddered to 1368 on the burning world (same reason as psychic)
Tlālōcān
most broken monotype by a quite sizable margin, mostly because you actually get blobs to play with. regigigas > slaking here to softcheck mmy and darkinium z on innards is a secondary trick blocker and heals arc up in a pinch. the lopunny is a surprisingly potent wincon for what its worth, and i actually tried using it outside of mono normal to decent success.
laddered to roughly 1700 on glassfrogs and petrichor v
yeah everything is a ror2 reference cry about it
most broken monotype by a quite sizable margin, mostly because you actually get blobs to play with. regigigas > slaking here to softcheck mmy and darkinium z on innards is a secondary trick blocker and heals arc up in a pinch. the lopunny is a surprisingly potent wincon for what its worth, and i actually tried using it outside of mono normal to decent success.
laddered to roughly 1700 on glassfrogs and petrichor v
yeah everything is a ror2 reference cry about it
Annihilation in F# Minor
i've posted this before so i wont go too indepth here but basically spam with the mon being spammed below 90 spe + actually usable priority + solid speed control options with other mons makes mono rock actually solid
laddered to roughly 1600 on sandswept peaks
i've posted this before so i wont go too indepth here but basically spam with the mon being spammed below 90 spe + actually usable priority + solid speed control options with other mons makes mono rock actually solid
laddered to roughly 1600 on sandswept peaks
"why is this not pdon spam" it would be lame as fuck to build pdon spam twice in a row so i limited myself to 2 pdons
ground is in a weird spot where theres a bunch of decent to great mons but likewise to fire theres just not enough speed control. unlike fire however we actually have a solid scarfposter to play around so its not as bad as it is. idk why the lando isnt bounce and the bounce pdon isnt something that actually breaks here tho... pert pivots around and chomper is a phys breaker that can directly kill zyg. the no guard pdon is sick tho i'd keep that in the books for future use
laddered to like 1300 on petrichor v before i crashed out on some ladder bullshit and just started running mono normal instead
My Love Is A Bulldozer
going into mono ghost i actually expected it to be pretty mid but to my surprise it actually performed quite well, maybe that just has to do with offensive ghost coverage just being broken? idk
anyways you might notice that the fastest mon here is actually mgar... how is this better speed control than some of our previous teams? turns out its actually not bad if you have an innards, an actually solid mg sash spectral guy, harvest (insanely broken) and this fuckass marowak. mimikium on innards tina-o over soulblaze is so we dont increase our defenses, while sparksurfer on harvest tina-o instead of sunraze snipes all of gyarados pogre and hooh. aegiblade is a surprisingly decent wallbreaker for what its worth, highly recommend at least checking the mon itself out maybe with different sets
laddered to 1684 on ghosting ph
going into mono ghost i actually expected it to be pretty mid but to my surprise it actually performed quite well, maybe that just has to do with offensive ghost coverage just being broken? idk
anyways you might notice that the fastest mon here is actually mgar... how is this better speed control than some of our previous teams? turns out its actually not bad if you have an innards, an actually solid mg sash spectral guy, harvest (insanely broken) and this fuckass marowak. mimikium on innards tina-o over soulblaze is so we dont increase our defenses, while sparksurfer on harvest tina-o instead of sunraze snipes all of gyarados pogre and hooh. aegiblade is a surprisingly decent wallbreaker for what its worth, highly recommend at least checking the mon itself out maybe with different sets
laddered to 1684 on ghosting ph
...yes, there is kartana in mono steel. no, that doesn't mean mono steel is good, since kart is basically the only good offensive mon we get.
despite having the second best physical breaker in the game it feels impossible to break both fat and offense without completely giving up the matchup against one (and even trying to beat offense in itself is already a futile task with our selection of mons).
if you have any ideas on how to improve this, feel free to do so because i will not try to continue building nor will i playtest this ever
ALTERATIONS
theres imposter solid breaking power and solid speed control so already this is one of the better types. mono dark actually has quite a number of usable mons but i went with agren spam since spam is broken when the mon is fast and versatile
the specs agren is hot garbage but its the best rker dark has. (still better than most types though) im not running the ransei set which has icicle spear because frankly icicle spear is an awful move that doesnt do anything. we might as well trick since that does something
other than that, the no guard agren evs is to ensure huge power agren always revenge kills non-scarf imposter with 0 rng. speaking of, this huge power agren is a pretty potent wincon, another one i'll keep in mind for future use
laddered to 1613 on MyLoveIsABulldozer
theres imposter solid breaking power and solid speed control so already this is one of the better types. mono dark actually has quite a number of usable mons but i went with agren spam since spam is broken when the mon is fast and versatile
the specs agren is hot garbage but its the best rker dark has. (still better than most types though) im not running the ransei set which has icicle spear because frankly icicle spear is an awful move that doesnt do anything. we might as well trick since that does something
other than that, the no guard agren evs is to ensure huge power agren always revenge kills non-scarf imposter with 0 rng. speaking of, this huge power agren is a pretty potent wincon, another one i'll keep in mind for future use
laddered to 1613 on MyLoveIsABulldozer
ok so the main problem with mono bug isnt the mon selection. its not even the typing itself either. the problem is that our offensive stats are too low to do anything. yes there's heracross but its far too slow to be anything but a half baked revenge killer. there's beedrill but frankly that mon is just pretty bad and i have no interest in using him. and then we arrive at pheromosa, who is decent but her offensive stats are just a tad bit too low for spam to work, like seriously you're telling me huge power sunsteel doesnt even crack FUCKING 80% on mega gengar???? nah man get me outta this shit
i did like 4 games before quitting because the above calc happened
dragon is fine. the typing is mid but there are so many usable mons its honestly insane. i have a personal vendetta against mono dragon though because my wifi disconnected 4 times and made me lose in completely unlosable scenarios
the sets are pretty standard-ish minus the last 2. dialga is the anti setup while garchomp returns from mono ground with a vengeance and acts as the raw unboosted power of this team. team's quite weak to no guard though thanks to the overreliance on sash which i surprisingly haven't done so far when building monotype teams considering i only build offense
laddered to 1601 on legendspamisntreal
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BRUH I MADE A MONO NORMAL TEAM AGES AGO. I feel like it's at least worth mentioningmonotype teamdump wooo who the fuck cares
the typing itself is probably good with the holy trinity of broken offensive psychics however i am truly awful at building teams so theres a pbond mmy and an evoboost hoopa-u and a singular way to comeback from a losing position being innards wobb (no stag mmx doesnt count)
laddered to 1472 on paranormal seeker (definitely couldve gone higher but i got bored)
also a fine type but its heavily carried by pdon. main setup control is prank pdon + mg pdon, hooh is because of fissure immune + moongeist softcheck. pwhip on reshiram is an attempt to hit pert since the team gets 6-0d by it otherwise. the main problem i found was that speed control really sucked as i didnt want to use talonflame or wg pdon so it ended up hilariously weak to no guard; so i gave this up pretty early
laddered to 1368 on the burning world (same reason as psychic)
Tlālōcān
most broken monotype by a quite sizable margin, mostly because you actually get blobs to play with. regigigas > slaking here to softcheck mmy and darkinium z on innards is a secondary trick blocker and heals arc up in a pinch. the lopunny is a surprisingly potent wincon for what its worth, and i actually tried using it outside of mono normal to decent success.
laddered to roughly 1700 on glassfrogs and petrichor v
yeah everything is a ror2 reference cry about it
Annihilation in F# Minor
i've posted this before so i wont go too indepth here but basically spam with the mon being spammed below 90 spe + actually usable priority + solid speed control options with other mons makes mono rock actually solid
laddered to roughly 1600 on sandswept peaks
"why is this not pdon spam" it would be lame as fuck to build pdon spam twice in a row so i limited myself to 2 pdons
ground is in a weird spot where theres a bunch of decent to great mons but likewise to fire theres just not enough speed control. unlike fire however we actually have a solid scarfposter to play around so its not as bad as it is. idk why the lando isnt bounce and the bounce pdon isnt something that actually breaks here tho... pert pivots around and chomper is a phys breaker that can directly kill zyg. the no guard pdon is sick tho i'd keep that in the books for future use
laddered to like 1300 on petrichor v before i crashed out on some ladder bullshit and just started running mono normal instead
My Love Is A Bulldozer
going into mono ghost i actually expected it to be pretty mid but to my surprise it actually performed quite well, maybe that just has to do with offensive ghost coverage just being broken? idk
anyways you might notice that the fastest mon here is actually mgar... how is this better speed control than some of our previous teams? turns out its actually not bad if you have an innards, an actually solid mg sash spectral guy, harvest (insanely broken) and this fuckass marowak. mimikium on innards tina-o over soulblaze is so we dont increase our defenses, while sparksurfer on harvest tina-o instead of sunraze snipes all of gyarados pogre and hooh. aegiblade is a surprisingly decent wallbreaker for what its worth, highly recommend at least checking the mon itself out maybe with different sets
laddered to 1684 on ghosting ph
...yes, there is kartana in mono steel. no, that doesn't mean mono steel is good, since kart is basically the only good offensive mon we get.
despite having the second best physical breaker in the game it feels impossible to break both fat and offense without completely giving up the matchup against one (and even trying to beat offense in itself is already a futile task with our selection of mons).
if you have any ideas on how to improve this, feel free to do so because i will not try to continue building nor will i playtest this ever
ALTERATIONS
theres imposter solid breaking power and solid speed control so already this is one of the better types. mono dark actually has quite a number of usable mons but i went with agren spam since spam is broken when the mon is fast and versatile
the specs agren is hot garbage but its the best rker dark has. (still better than most types though) im not running the ransei set which has icicle spear because frankly icicle spear is an awful move that doesnt do anything. we might as well trick since that does something
other than that, the no guard agren evs is to ensure huge power agren always revenge kills non-scarf imposter with 0 rng. speaking of, this huge power agren is a pretty potent wincon, another one i'll keep in mind for future use
laddered to 1613 on MyLoveIsABulldozer
ok so the main problem with mono bug isnt the mon selection. its not even the typing itself either. the problem is that our offensive stats are too low to do anything. yes there's heracross but its far too slow to be anything but a half baked revenge killer. there's beedrill but frankly that mon is just pretty bad and i have no interest in using him. and then we arrive at pheromosa, who is decent but her offensive stats are just a tad bit too low for spam to work, like seriously you're telling me huge power sunsteel doesnt even crack FUCKING 80% on mega gengar???? nah man get me outta this shit
i did like 4 games before quitting because the above calc happened
dragon is fine. the typing is mid but there are so many usable mons its honestly insane. i have a personal vendetta against mono dragon though because my wifi disconnected 4 times and made me lose in completely unlosable scenarios
the sets are pretty standard-ish minus the last 2. dialga is the anti setup while garchomp returns from mono ground with a vengeance and acts as the raw unboosted power of this team. team's quite weak to no guard though thanks to the overreliance on sash which i surprisingly haven't done so far when building monotype teams considering i only build offense
laddered to 1601 on legendspamisntreal
Are you gonna make the mono types that are not in this team dump?monotype teamdump wooo who the fuck cares
the typing itself is probably good with the holy trinity of broken offensive psychics however i am truly awful at building teams so theres a pbond mmy and an evoboost hoopa-u and a singular way to comeback from a losing position being innards wobb (no stag mmx doesnt count)
laddered to 1472 on paranormal seeker (definitely couldve gone higher but i got bored)
also a fine type but its heavily carried by pdon. main setup control is prank pdon + mg pdon, hooh is because of fissure immune + moongeist softcheck. pwhip on reshiram is an attempt to hit pert since the team gets 6-0d by it otherwise. the main problem i found was that speed control really sucked as i didnt want to use talonflame or wg pdon so it ended up hilariously weak to no guard; so i gave this up pretty early
laddered to 1368 on the burning world (same reason as psychic)
Tlālōcān
most broken monotype by a quite sizable margin, mostly because you actually get blobs to play with. regigigas > slaking here to softcheck mmy and darkinium z on innards is a secondary trick blocker and heals arc up in a pinch. the lopunny is a surprisingly potent wincon for what its worth, and i actually tried using it outside of mono normal to decent success.
laddered to roughly 1700 on glassfrogs and petrichor v
yeah everything is a ror2 reference cry about it
Annihilation in F# Minor
i've posted this before so i wont go too indepth here but basically spam with the mon being spammed below 90 spe + actually usable priority + solid speed control options with other mons makes mono rock actually solid
laddered to roughly 1600 on sandswept peaks
"why is this not pdon spam" it would be lame as fuck to build pdon spam twice in a row so i limited myself to 2 pdons
ground is in a weird spot where theres a bunch of decent to great mons but likewise to fire theres just not enough speed control. unlike fire however we actually have a solid scarfposter to play around so its not as bad as it is. idk why the lando isnt bounce and the bounce pdon isnt something that actually breaks here tho... pert pivots around and chomper is a phys breaker that can directly kill zyg. the no guard pdon is sick tho i'd keep that in the books for future use
laddered to like 1300 on petrichor v before i crashed out on some ladder bullshit and just started running mono normal instead
My Love Is A Bulldozer
going into mono ghost i actually expected it to be pretty mid but to my surprise it actually performed quite well, maybe that just has to do with offensive ghost coverage just being broken? idk
anyways you might notice that the fastest mon here is actually mgar... how is this better speed control than some of our previous teams? turns out its actually not bad if you have an innards, an actually solid mg sash spectral guy, harvest (insanely broken) and this fuckass marowak. mimikium on innards tina-o over soulblaze is so we dont increase our defenses, while sparksurfer on harvest tina-o instead of sunraze snipes all of gyarados pogre and hooh. aegiblade is a surprisingly decent wallbreaker for what its worth, highly recommend at least checking the mon itself out maybe with different sets
laddered to 1684 on ghosting ph
...yes, there is kartana in mono steel. no, that doesn't mean mono steel is good, since kart is basically the only good offensive mon we get.
despite having the second best physical breaker in the game it feels impossible to break both fat and offense without completely giving up the matchup against one (and even trying to beat offense in itself is already a futile task with our selection of mons).
if you have any ideas on how to improve this, feel free to do so because i will not try to continue building nor will i playtest this ever
ALTERATIONS
theres imposter solid breaking power and solid speed control so already this is one of the better types. mono dark actually has quite a number of usable mons but i went with agren spam since spam is broken when the mon is fast and versatile
the specs agren is hot garbage but its the best rker dark has. (still better than most types though) im not running the ransei set which has icicle spear because frankly icicle spear is an awful move that doesnt do anything. we might as well trick since that does something
other than that, the no guard agren evs is to ensure huge power agren always revenge kills non-scarf imposter with 0 rng. speaking of, this huge power agren is a pretty potent wincon, another one i'll keep in mind for future use
laddered to 1613 on MyLoveIsABulldozer
ok so the main problem with mono bug isnt the mon selection. its not even the typing itself either. the problem is that our offensive stats are too low to do anything. yes there's heracross but its far too slow to be anything but a half baked revenge killer. there's beedrill but frankly that mon is just pretty bad and i have no interest in using him. and then we arrive at pheromosa, who is decent but her offensive stats are just a tad bit too low for spam to work, like seriously you're telling me huge power sunsteel doesnt even crack FUCKING 80% on mega gengar???? nah man get me outta this shit
i did like 4 games before quitting because the above calc happened
dragon is fine. the typing is mid but there are so many usable mons its honestly insane. i have a personal vendetta against mono dragon though because my wifi disconnected 4 times and made me lose in completely unlosable scenarios
the sets are pretty standard-ish minus the last 2. dialga is the anti setup while garchomp returns from mono ground with a vengeance and acts as the raw unboosted power of this team. team's quite weak to no guard though thanks to the overreliance on sash which i surprisingly haven't done so far when building monotype teams considering i only build offense
laddered to 1601 on legendspamisntreal
Grass Spam Dump: https://pokepast.es/2098f5c15c16793amonotype teamdump wooo who the fuck cares
the typing itself is probably good with the holy trinity of broken offensive psychics however i am truly awful at building teams so theres a pbond mmy and an evoboost hoopa-u and a singular way to comeback from a losing position being innards wobb (no stag mmx doesnt count)
laddered to 1472 on paranormal seeker (definitely couldve gone higher but i got bored)
also a fine type but its heavily carried by pdon. main setup control is prank pdon + mg pdon, hooh is because of fissure immune + moongeist softcheck. pwhip on reshiram is an attempt to hit pert since the team gets 6-0d by it otherwise. the main problem i found was that speed control really sucked as i didnt want to use talonflame or wg pdon so it ended up hilariously weak to no guard; so i gave this up pretty early
laddered to 1368 on the burning world (same reason as psychic)
Tlālōcān
most broken monotype by a quite sizable margin, mostly because you actually get blobs to play with. regigigas > slaking here to softcheck mmy and darkinium z on innards is a secondary trick blocker and heals arc up in a pinch. the lopunny is a surprisingly potent wincon for what its worth, and i actually tried using it outside of mono normal to decent success.
laddered to roughly 1700 on glassfrogs and petrichor v
yeah everything is a ror2 reference cry about it
Annihilation in F# Minor
i've posted this before so i wont go too indepth here but basically spam with the mon being spammed below 90 spe + actually usable priority + solid speed control options with other mons makes mono rock actually solid
laddered to roughly 1600 on sandswept peaks
"why is this not pdon spam" it would be lame as fuck to build pdon spam twice in a row so i limited myself to 2 pdons
ground is in a weird spot where theres a bunch of decent to great mons but likewise to fire theres just not enough speed control. unlike fire however we actually have a solid scarfposter to play around so its not as bad as it is. idk why the lando isnt bounce and the bounce pdon isnt something that actually breaks here tho... pert pivots around and chomper is a phys breaker that can directly kill zyg. the no guard pdon is sick tho i'd keep that in the books for future use
laddered to like 1300 on petrichor v before i crashed out on some ladder bullshit and just started running mono normal instead
My Love Is A Bulldozer
going into mono ghost i actually expected it to be pretty mid but to my surprise it actually performed quite well, maybe that just has to do with offensive ghost coverage just being broken? idk
anyways you might notice that the fastest mon here is actually mgar... how is this better speed control than some of our previous teams? turns out its actually not bad if you have an innards, an actually solid mg sash spectral guy, harvest (insanely broken) and this fuckass marowak. mimikium on innards tina-o over soulblaze is so we dont increase our defenses, while sparksurfer on harvest tina-o instead of sunraze snipes all of gyarados pogre and hooh. aegiblade is a surprisingly decent wallbreaker for what its worth, highly recommend at least checking the mon itself out maybe with different sets
laddered to 1684 on ghosting ph
...yes, there is kartana in mono steel. no, that doesn't mean mono steel is good, since kart is basically the only good offensive mon we get.
despite having the second best physical breaker in the game it feels impossible to break both fat and offense without completely giving up the matchup against one (and even trying to beat offense in itself is already a futile task with our selection of mons).
if you have any ideas on how to improve this, feel free to do so because i will not try to continue building nor will i playtest this ever
ALTERATIONS
theres imposter solid breaking power and solid speed control so already this is one of the better types. mono dark actually has quite a number of usable mons but i went with agren spam since spam is broken when the mon is fast and versatile
the specs agren is hot garbage but its the best rker dark has. (still better than most types though) im not running the ransei set which has icicle spear because frankly icicle spear is an awful move that doesnt do anything. we might as well trick since that does something
other than that, the no guard agren evs is to ensure huge power agren always revenge kills non-scarf imposter with 0 rng. speaking of, this huge power agren is a pretty potent wincon, another one i'll keep in mind for future use
laddered to 1613 on MyLoveIsABulldozer
ok so the main problem with mono bug isnt the mon selection. its not even the typing itself either. the problem is that our offensive stats are too low to do anything. yes there's heracross but its far too slow to be anything but a half baked revenge killer. there's beedrill but frankly that mon is just pretty bad and i have no interest in using him. and then we arrive at pheromosa, who is decent but her offensive stats are just a tad bit too low for spam to work, like seriously you're telling me huge power sunsteel doesnt even crack FUCKING 80% on mega gengar???? nah man get me outta this shit
i did like 4 games before quitting because the above calc happened
dragon is fine. the typing is mid but there are so many usable mons its honestly insane. i have a personal vendetta against mono dragon though because my wifi disconnected 4 times and made me lose in completely unlosable scenarios
the sets are pretty standard-ish minus the last 2. dialga is the anti setup while garchomp returns from mono ground with a vengeance and acts as the raw unboosted power of this team. team's quite weak to no guard though thanks to the overreliance on sash which i surprisingly haven't done so far when building monotype teams considering i only build offense
laddered to 1601 on legendspamisntreal
Water Spam Dump: https://pokepast.es/b9e36608d664d4fa
will do the rest you didn't do when i have time, im rly tired sor
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ph moderators delete onelines challenge (please i'm begging)
anyways all of the sample submissions are bad so it's random team time!!!
https://pokepast.es/10b9313207c2b80e cfz good more cfz more good also ttar is a fun guy. There'd be a real yveltal improof but that's surprisingly hard to do outside of innards blob and I didn't want to do that so it's bond.
https://pokepast.es/b276ead4549544a4 mmx funny unfortunately it isnt *really* improofed but ltbts over stoked and yvel over doom works
https://pokepast.es/4cc7fbc5f63d10bd big doom + big cfzs unfortunately i went too far down the rabbit hole so its defensive doom and its a group improof so my entire team loses to doom also it's ghostspam and darkspam and psyspam at the same time so you explode to opposing darks. not a serious team plus no removal is really bad, can be fog ttar if you're clinically insane or just mg kart but that seemed too samey.
https://pokepast.es/48cfdc335b2703da if you couldn't tell i think leppa is good and i agree with ac about mmx (giratina just fits here a lot lol)
https://pokepast.es/42f7650bfcd0d899 unfortunately it loses to kyogre steela stall if you accidentally queue 0 attack giratina so you can't trade it for innards and then your opponent wins the speed tie when you thought they'd fear innards
to the sample submitters: please make sure your team is actually good this applies most to Yeetoos and hello1433 and is the reason why these aren't intended for samples, you can post a team without it being a submission
Remember to make the mmx adamant instead of naughty I just forgot to while making this and don't want to do the rest.
anyways all of the sample submissions are bad so it's random team time!!!
https://pokepast.es/10b9313207c2b80e cfz good more cfz more good also ttar is a fun guy. There'd be a real yveltal improof but that's surprisingly hard to do outside of innards blob and I didn't want to do that so it's bond.
https://pokepast.es/b276ead4549544a4 mmx funny unfortunately it isnt *really* improofed but ltbts over stoked and yvel over doom works
https://pokepast.es/4cc7fbc5f63d10bd big doom + big cfzs unfortunately i went too far down the rabbit hole so its defensive doom and its a group improof so my entire team loses to doom also it's ghostspam and darkspam and psyspam at the same time so you explode to opposing darks. not a serious team plus no removal is really bad, can be fog ttar if you're clinically insane or just mg kart but that seemed too samey.
https://pokepast.es/48cfdc335b2703da if you couldn't tell i think leppa is good and i agree with ac about mmx (giratina just fits here a lot lol)
https://pokepast.es/42f7650bfcd0d899 unfortunately it loses to kyogre steela stall if you accidentally queue 0 attack giratina so you can't trade it for innards and then your opponent wins the speed tie when you thought they'd fear innards
to the sample submitters: please make sure your team is actually good this applies most to Yeetoos and hello1433 and is the reason why these aren't intended for samples, you can post a team without it being a submission
Remember to make the mmx adamant instead of naughty I just forgot to while making this and don't want to do the rest.
^ guys if your team didn't hit 1550 at least on ladder you should question whether this is actually a good team or if you're about to fall off an elo cliff and the team is the only thing keeping you in mid ladder
anyway since that person also expressed their distaste for one liners here's a team that you can use to troll people on ladder (not a sample submission)
https://pokepast.es/384dca53fc112087
mono dragon
the sets are prob bad but at least you get the idea
mono dragon
the sets are prob bad but at least you get the idea
PH Moderators delete onelines challenge (please Ransei Eyeos NToTheN TheCreatorOfBullsht this isn't allowed and is clogging the thread)
Since I want to avoid annoying myself, let's analyze exactly why hello1433's team will never be a sample. Hint: It's not because it's mbee offense, it's because it's bad. I will also dump some random teams again because why not?
First off, the bee itself. U-Turn is cool into offense because you OHKO mmy and do like 50-60 to mmx so you can effectively revenge kill them plus play rough always OHKOs mmx, forcing it out and pressing u-turn so you can keep momentum. I mean, you're huge power adamant, obviously you can guarantee to force out pokemon you have super effective coverage for.
252+ Atk Huge Power Beedrill-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 378-446 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Never mind, every time you go to kill MMX you are gambling on a less than 40% chance after accuracy to actually kill it. It's not like you have hazards either so this will always be the roll unless you get previous chip which isn't exactly the easiest thing to get on mmx with this squad (more later).
So your speed control can't really kill mmx. Well, your wonder guard can swap into it to score some chip with u-turn, putting it into range. Because of course you picked a WG who can improof bee like kyogre or ferrothorn or maybe even scizor who woulddie to the good set pressing light that burns the sky after rocks score crucial damage and let bee revenge.
Never mind, your wonder guard is maud so you take 70 percent minimum just from photon and LTBTS cleanly OHKOS. Also, you don't improof beedrill. Also you're the most passive set of all time apparently. All of these sample submissions have a basically do nothing mon, is this obligatory on low ladder offense? Give up all your pressure for fun?
Well, at the very least if maud doesn't improof bee, you can just sack innards to it to improof, that's fine on HO. I'm saying this because of course you used innards blissey or even chansey because those are the good sets.
I'm skipping gengar for the narrative shut up
Ok so our max defenses innards lunala can't take out imposter. It's also photon ghiest fairy which is close to sunsteel ghiest fairy except instead of killing meloetta and muk and blobs and houndoom (tbf +2 mmm probably dunks on this) you actually get walled by them instead. Imp of this also totally just either forces a 1f1 with this or kills it and then forces a trade with regigigas or gengar's sash because it still. isn't. improofed. by. your. wonder guard pokemon.
Speaking about that gengar, we have modest sword mgb spore smash gengar like this is 2023 again. Finally it's actually improofed by maud but another special guy who loses to melo/muk
truly a moment of all time. It's nice for the spam matchup I guess but this is doing nothing ever into stall or literally any team with big priority that just hits you as you set up. scarf pbond mmx victim too Very dated set but it's fine I guess, it does successfully cope a couple of mus. Melo walling two mons is probably fine considering how its bee fodder. That's really not that much of the team anyways.
Ok so it walls the regigigas too and this might be the worst set I've ever seen. WG espeed multiattack spectral? Arceus did not conceive of this set when making USUM PH. Speaking of arceus, just use arceus. Also why are you hasty? Giving up free damage to sunsteel users.
Finally, speaking about sunsteel users we have the first good, relevant set on the entire team in pdon except it's lonely. Just use naughty
Genuinely good set except it literally isnt improofed so you just sack about two thirds of regigigas's health assuming it doesn't smash a second time and then thief. Alternatively, you sack gengar down to sash and then spore. Is it really that hard to just use heatran or something? Hell, kyogre would be better than maud here if it weren't for the gengar because it's fat fuck specially so freeze dry doesnt do half and then scald does one trillion percent or something.
Overall, this team has three pokemon improofed by hopes and dreams, two pokemon hardproofed, and one pokemon who does nothing anyways but imp gets free healing. You also have 3 pokemon who simply aren't optimized, 3 pokemon who can't hit meloetta, the entire team is semi-walled by kyogre if you don't get lucky on sleep turns or high-roll on Z, muk is horrible for you, nothing on your team outspeeds MMX... There's just so many weaknesses that I genuinely cannot imagine a real team losing to this, especially not a real team with melo. It's fun to dunk on zenith mode or samples if they're bad but this loses hard enough to every real playstyle that it's probably easier to make a good bee team by deleting everything and starting over.
my solution would probably be mmx-> maud, taunt tspikes gar -> mg gar, arceus -> regigigas, innards blissey-> lunala, lonely -> naughty.
random teams as promised
https://pokepast.es/90fd3cde0fa5d032 so it looks like dark psychic ghost spam but actually that's a normal!! yeah its aerobee slop but with certified clicker mmx
https://pokepast.es/419c642c197f7425 steam eruption? are you insane? yes??? my opponents will go insane after trying to use wg ho-oh or heatran or houndoom to check this because they saw protean and thought sunsteel ghiest fairy +2 252 SpA Protean Mewtwo-Mega-Y Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 516-608 (124.3 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO boom that's a free kill and now the stall user is more like a stall loser haha gottem. Also big tyranitar is good and i fucking love leppa berry
That's all for today but please delete one liners it makes it unfair to people who have to actually make teams to ask mods to delete them or else they're also making one liners, fortunately the sample submissions are bad enough to sustain asking for deletes for a while
the mmx is honey gather lol change that
Since I want to avoid annoying myself, let's analyze exactly why hello1433's team will never be a sample. Hint: It's not because it's mbee offense, it's because it's bad. I will also dump some random teams again because why not?
First off, the bee itself. U-Turn is cool into offense because you OHKO mmy and do like 50-60 to mmx so you can effectively revenge kill them plus play rough always OHKOs mmx, forcing it out and pressing u-turn so you can keep momentum. I mean, you're huge power adamant, obviously you can guarantee to force out pokemon you have super effective coverage for.
252+ Atk Huge Power Beedrill-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 378-446 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Never mind, every time you go to kill MMX you are gambling on a less than 40% chance after accuracy to actually kill it. It's not like you have hazards either so this will always be the roll unless you get previous chip which isn't exactly the easiest thing to get on mmx with this squad (more later).
So your speed control can't really kill mmx. Well, your wonder guard can swap into it to score some chip with u-turn, putting it into range. Because of course you picked a WG who can improof bee like kyogre or ferrothorn or maybe even scizor who would
Never mind, your wonder guard is maud so you take 70 percent minimum just from photon and LTBTS cleanly OHKOS. Also, you don't improof beedrill. Also you're the most passive set of all time apparently. All of these sample submissions have a basically do nothing mon, is this obligatory on low ladder offense? Give up all your pressure for fun?
Well, at the very least if maud doesn't improof bee, you can just sack innards to it to improof, that's fine on HO. I'm saying this because of course you used innards blissey or even chansey because those are the good sets.
I'm skipping gengar for the narrative shut up
Ok so our max defenses innards lunala can't take out imposter. It's also photon ghiest fairy which is close to sunsteel ghiest fairy except instead of killing meloetta and muk and blobs and houndoom (tbf +2 mmm probably dunks on this) you actually get walled by them instead. Imp of this also totally just either forces a 1f1 with this or kills it and then forces a trade with regigigas or gengar's sash because it still. isn't. improofed. by. your. wonder guard pokemon.
Speaking about that gengar, we have modest sword mgb spore smash gengar like this is 2023 again. Finally it's actually improofed by maud but another special guy who loses to melo/muk
truly a moment of all time. It's nice for the spam matchup I guess but this is doing nothing ever into stall or literally any team with big priority that just hits you as you set up. Ok so it walls the regigigas too and this might be the worst set I've ever seen. WG espeed multiattack spectral? Arceus did not conceive of this set when making USUM PH. Speaking of arceus, just use arceus. Also why are you hasty? Giving up free damage to sunsteel users.
Finally, speaking about sunsteel users we have the first good, relevant set on the entire team in pdon except it's lonely. Just use naughty
Genuinely good set except it literally isnt improofed so you just sack about two thirds of regigigas's health assuming it doesn't smash a second time and then thief. Alternatively, you sack gengar down to sash and then spore. Is it really that hard to just use heatran or something? Hell, kyogre would be better than maud here if it weren't for the gengar because it's fat fuck specially so freeze dry doesnt do half and then scald does one trillion percent or something.
Overall, this team has three pokemon improofed by hopes and dreams, two pokemon hardproofed, and one pokemon who does nothing anyways but imp gets free healing. You also have 3 pokemon who simply aren't optimized, 3 pokemon who can't hit meloetta, the entire team is semi-walled by kyogre if you don't get lucky on sleep turns or high-roll on Z, muk is horrible for you, nothing on your team outspeeds MMX... There's just so many weaknesses that I genuinely cannot imagine a real team losing to this, especially not a real team with melo. It's fun to dunk on zenith mode or samples if they're bad but this loses hard enough to every real playstyle that it's probably easier to make a good bee team by deleting everything and starting over.
my solution would probably be mmx-> maud, taunt tspikes gar -> mg gar, arceus -> regigigas, innards blissey-> lunala, lonely -> naughty.
random teams as promised
https://pokepast.es/90fd3cde0fa5d032 so it looks like dark psychic ghost spam but actually that's a normal!! yeah its aerobee slop but with certified clicker mmx
https://pokepast.es/419c642c197f7425 steam eruption? are you insane? yes??? my opponents will go insane after trying to use wg ho-oh or heatran or houndoom to check this because they saw protean and thought sunsteel ghiest fairy +2 252 SpA Protean Mewtwo-Mega-Y Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 516-608 (124.3 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO boom that's a free kill and now the stall user is more like a stall loser haha gottem. Also big tyranitar is good and i fucking love leppa berry
That's all for today but please delete one liners it makes it unfair to people who have to actually make teams to ask mods to delete them or else they're also making one liners, fortunately the sample submissions are bad enough to sustain asking for deletes for a while
the mmx is honey gather lol change that
you really had to eat me out for something i already know yes it bad it is never going to be a sample i already said that but to really just right in front of me say every single problem with my team and to be fair i do have some other team's now that are better and they all run offensive mbee as i'm trying to get as high up ladder as i can and to be frank the team you just fundamentally dismantled actually got me to number 46 on ladder so i'm really just going to leave it there anymore would be a bit excessive but here are the three new team's i now run https://pokepast.es/ac5033fc12f4a0c9 https://pokepast.es/2f9628c64d05c1e0 https://pokepast.es/db4a0b6cf133e2af ransei viola ~ lunala ^﹏^ and someone else i forget helped make these team's.PH Moderators delete onelines challenge (please Ransei Eyeos NToTheN TheCreatorOfBullsht this isn't allowed and is clogging the thread)
Since I want to avoid annoying myself, let's analyze exactly why hello1433's team will never be a sample. Hint: It's not because it's mbee offense, it's because it's bad. I will also dump some random teams again because why not?
First off, the bee itself. U-Turn is cool into offense because you OHKO mmy and do like 50-60 to mmx so you can effectively revenge kill them plus play rough always OHKOs mmx, forcing it out and pressing u-turn so you can keep momentum. I mean, you're huge power adamant, obviously you can guarantee to force out pokemon you have super effective coverage for.
252+ Atk Huge Power Beedrill-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 378-446 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Never mind, every time you go to kill MMX you are gambling on a less than 40% chance after accuracy to actually kill it. It's not like you have hazards either so this will always be the roll unless you get previous chip which isn't exactly the easiest thing to get on mmx with this squad (more later).
So your speed control can't really kill mmx. Well, your wonder guard can swap into it to score some chip with u-turn, putting it into range. Because of course you picked a WG who can improof bee like kyogre or ferrothorn or maybe even scizor who woulddie to the good set pressing light that burns the sky after rocksscore crucial damage and let bee revenge.
Never mind, your wonder guard is maud so you take 70 percent minimum just from photon and LTBTS cleanly OHKOS. Also, you don't improof beedrill. Also you're the most passive set of all time apparently. All of these sample submissions have a basically do nothing mon, is this obligatory on low ladder offense? Give up all your pressure for fun?
Well, at the very least if maud doesn't improof bee, you can just sack innards to it to improof, that's fine on HO. I'm saying this because of course you used innards blissey or even chansey because those are the good sets.
I'm skipping gengar for the narrative shut up
Ok so our max defenses innards lunala can't take out imposter. It's also photon ghiest fairy which is close to sunsteel ghiest fairy except instead of killing meloetta and muk and blobs and houndoom (tbf +2 mmm probably dunks on this) you actually get walled by them instead. Imp of this also totally just either forces a 1f1 with this or kills it and then forces a trade with regigigas or gengar's sash because it still. isn't. improofed. by. your. wonder guard pokemon.
Speaking about that gengar, we have modest sword mgb spore smash gengar like this is 2023 again. Finally it's actually improofed by maud but another special guy who loses to melo/mukscarf pbond mmx victim tooVery dated set but it's fine I guess, it does successfully cope a couple of mus. Melo walling two mons is probably fine considering how its bee fodder. That's really not that much of the team anyways.
Ok so it walls the regigigas too and this might be the worst set I've ever seen. WG espeed multiattack spectral? Arceus did not conceive of this set when making USUM PH. Speaking of arceus, just use arceus. Also why are you hasty? Giving up free damage to sunsteel users.
Finally, speaking about sunsteel users we have the first good, relevant set on the entire team in pdon except it's lonely. Just use naughty
Genuinely good set except it literally isnt improofed so you just sack about two thirds of regigigas's health assuming it doesn't smash a second time and then thief. Alternatively, you sack gengar down to sash and then spore. Is it really that hard to just use heatran or something? Hell, kyogre would be better than maud here if it weren't for the gengar because it's fat fuck specially so freeze dry doesnt do half and then scald does one trillion percent or something.
Overall, this team has three pokemon improofed by hopes and dreams, two pokemon hardproofed, and one pokemon who does nothing anyways but imp gets free healing. You also have 3 pokemon who simply aren't optimized, 3 pokemon who can't hit meloetta, the entire team is semi-walled by kyogre if you don't get lucky on sleep turns or high-roll on Z, muk is horrible for you, nothing on your team outspeeds MMX... There's just so many weaknesses that I genuinely cannot imagine a real team losing to this, especially not a real team with melo. It's fun to dunk on zenith mode or samples if they're bad but this loses hard enough to every real playstyle that it's probably easier to make a good bee team by deleting everything and starting over.
my solution would probably be mmx-> maud, taunt tspikes gar -> mg gar, arceus -> regigigas, innards blissey-> lunala, lonely -> naughty.
random teams as promised
https://pokepast.es/90fd3cde0fa5d032 so it looks like dark psychic ghost spam but actually that's a normal!! yeah its aerobee slop but with certified clicker mmx
https://pokepast.es/419c642c197f7425 steam eruption? are you insane? yes??? my opponents will go insane after trying to use wg ho-oh or heatran or houndoom to check this because they saw protean and thought sunsteel ghiest fairy +2 252 SpA Protean Mewtwo-Mega-Y Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 516-608 (124.3 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO boom that's a free kill and now the stall user is more like a stall loser haha gottem. Also big tyranitar is good and i fucking love leppa berry
That's all for today but please delete one liners it makes it unfair to people who have to actually make teams to ask mods to delete them or else they're also making one liners, fortunately the sample submissions are bad enough to sustain asking for deletes for a while
the mmx is honey gather lol change that
I don't have mod privileges in this thread, neither do Eyeos or Bullsht
These teams look fun. I've always been a fan of Protean MMY. Is Life Orb necessary for rolls against Ho-Oh or something? Have you tried 4 attacks Protean MMY? It used to be a lot better when the meta was more balance-oriented cause fast threats like Pheromosa weren't as common but I think it could still be usable here. I do think the Ttar might be a bit of a momentum sink though which is unfortunate on a very offensive team like this.
lorb lets you get calcs like ohkoing muk/steela with sunsteel/geist which can be useful, sash is better overall though imo just because of how useful sash is
4 attacks protean mmy sounds interesting (no setup spore protean mmy as well), though setup is likely more worthwhile. makes you a more consistent breaker by letting you slot in more techs like elec/fighting move (or just sleep hax em lol, likely possible after a bit of prior chip), though the sweeping ability seems more worth it.
idk how much of a momentum sink ttar is here? ltbts/dbond let you not be completely passive though i do think you could try to fit something like encore/spore on this type of set, not sure how important pursuit is here
Me.
Anyway, I have a team. Before the reapers come for me, no, it is probably not a sample submission (though honestly it might be able to be maybe).
Welp, let's get into it.
https://pokepast.es/804fe814daba5760
So...I don't remember how to do the fancy formatting, so this is gonna be a wall of text to explain the team. I guess.
PDON: It's my PDon set, the STag one. TArrows is the big dumb STAB button that does exactly what you think it does, and also dunks on low ladder. If this team is run in higher ladder, TArrows can probably be switched for another move like SSS or MMM or something. V-Create is the very stupid big STAB move, that is the main button to do stuff. I experimented with Sacred Fire for a better Sash Kart MU, but then I added MGar and that was no longer a issue. LSF is the move that kills MMX and MRay and MNec(If anyone uses it) and other mons weak to Fairy. It also looks very funny to use. Trick ensures that I can do something once PDon kills a MMX or something, and lets it do something to bulky mons. Improofed by both WG mons on the team, if SSS is used over TArrows, the Improof is weakened, but not gone, and if MMM is used, MAud is the Improof.
MAUD: It's the rat. What else to say. I could see Magic Coat over Rocks for a better Impostor matchup, and better matchups into NG, but rocks are really good, and I could not find a spot anywhere else for it, so I just put it here. Safety Goggles because fuck Spore, but I could maybe see a Z move to serve as a Trick sponge, but idk. If you make the second WG mon also support, then it should probably go there. Also, because I have space here, if a Mon is not Innards or a Blissey, run 248 HP EVs to take slightly less from percentage damage like rocks.
KART: I could maybe see a moveset change on this thing, mainly Ice Shard, because I have not used it VS a Zygarde for a while now. Whatever move you choose, make sure the Improof with MAgg stays true. Mainly a Innards check, but it also seems to have a tendency to be a win-con in longer games. I have no clue why, but it works. Sunsteel because duh. Wood Hammer because without it MPert just kinda walls the entire team, plus it hits Slowbro and MGyara and what not. Ice Shard is meant for Zygarde, but it has not happened for a while, so idk. Shell Smash for Shell Smash reasions. Sash because duh.
POGRE: I don't know, but it seems to work. If any Mon would be changed, it would probably be this one, but it does do its job. Steam Eruption is to kill that one Mold Breaker Shift Gear SSap PDon, Bug Buzz to hit Melo and all that stuff, Moongeist because...d u h, and Shell Smash because...d u h. I could see a support WG mon going here, but I don't know. I just don't know. Sash ensures MMX doesn't just eat you alive in one turn.
MAGG: WHY DO PEOPLE PUT MLIX OVER THIS WTF. Anyway, it is bulky, it is a Steel type, it is resistant to Ice and Grass (Unlike some mons) and resists all the stuff Steel does. Core Enforcer for Harvest, and it also can technically chip Sash mons. Haze because you can't spell PrankHaze without Haze. Reflect because I have missed Will-o-Wisp one to many god-damn times. Shore Up because it is the powerhouse of the cell. Goggles because fuck Spore, but this one should probably stay.
MGAR: This is canonically the ghost of Gigas after the horrible accident. Scarf PBond Moongeist is the button clicker VS Kart and MMX and MMY(sometimes) and Deo-S and all the other mons it sounds good into. Searing Shot I have not used very much, so I would not be surprised if it is changed to some other move because Kart dies anyway. It is mainly for Scizor, but PDon generally catches that. Ice Beam for Zygarde and MRay. U-Turn seemed so cool, but I have not really ever had the chance to use it because WG catches me so much with it, so I could see Trick here as well.
So...that's it. If anyone would like to tear this team apart in a reply, be my guest. So...uh...not sure how to end this.
https://pokepast.es/4c86b8ef49eb4c22 How did this get here.
rip that means Ransei needs to lock in…
lorb is cool for going from under 75% with steam to 80 min on hooh plus guarantees OHKO on heatran unboosted plus as ptoast suggested damage is fun (+2 sunsteel always kills Melo vs never kills Melo).
4a or 3a spore sounds interesting but I personally prefer the instant wins +2 mmy can get versus stuff like those stalls where your mmy answer is wg or prank hooh and then it takes 80% and they forfeit lol.
ttar does sink momentum a bit but leppa LTBTS off 165 atk obviously helps with this + you can go glare over ssap. Encore/Lkiss/Spore are also probably fine. Pursuit is pretty important to the set, I made it to hard punish pbond gengar for actually clicking moongeist and pick off that annoying psysurge spam on ladder and then backwards improofed MMX with it (which is why it’s v-create)
I’ll upload a post tearing apart the other teams later ZeldaFan1, I actually wrote this but then turned off my computer which deleted it and since it was like six paragraphs per team (I was VERY bored) I didn’t feel like writing it again
anyways tyranitar is really cool and CFZs are really good so I might try some harvtar shiest
I don’t really know how to end this either so hello1433 ladder is a false matrix, if you spam enough games at it eventually you win enough to get high ladder because 90% of the players suck which is how Zeus got #1. Also viola lunala built one of the teams lol explains 248 HP mg gar. We got blind leading the blind in USUM PH before GTA 6
finally uhhh it has come to my awareness that one of my teams has zap cannon mgb gengar. Please make one of these fissure/sheercold.
apparently I got to the 29th page? Can I say first? Couldnt have done it without the spam of obnoxious oneliners shoutout Yeetoos and the others
Hell there Dark Wall if this is you (That nickname seems familiar, also I am not blind) ALSO If your gonna dissect team's at least provide constructive criticism on HOW to fix said teams otherwise your just being a prick IMO doing such actions without at least Proving some Teambuilding TIPS is just Idk Welp Idfk anymore ladder is shit Edit: Buddy do you just like being a prick? like just pointing out every FLAW in a team? well post one of YOUR teams here if you belive yourself SOO good at least provide proof of having the teambuilding knowledge to be disecting teams like this
honestly i'm not against ladder because the post phpl ladder is pretty much the only ladder i've ever known so this feels very normal, the only ladder i played before was low ladder which doesn't follow any meta shifts
also if you've been wondering why i always call fc
BYRD its because of this team which i peaked 1500 with and really liked
also if you've been wondering why i always call fc
BYRD its because of this team which i peaked 1500 with and really likednoice! though bleak blast is weird?honestly i'm not against ladder because the post phpl ladder is pretty much the only ladder i've ever known so this feels very normal, the only ladder i played before was low ladder which doesn't follow any meta shifts
also if you've been wondering why i always call fc
ZeldaFan1 can we get a fanfiction about one liners? I swear they’re scarier than coil megagross…
Seriously though Ransei please either moderate your thread or have someone else do it who’s actually interested, this is going from “slightly annoying, just enough to joke about” to “this is actively ruining PH thread”
Aside from that, it’s time for me to make this NOT a one liner by posting some teams! Except this time it’s only two teams. Eyeos’s suffering will never end as this is a DOUBLE SAMPLE SUBMISSION!!!!
https://pokepast.es/00b3af74e7e97cc0
so I was larping around with ptoast (my goat btw PenultimateToast fried me on ladder while I was using this) and they kept suggesting to make my sets more insane. This led to the reinvention of Deoxys except it only clicks zmoves. I later added yveltal to the paste while theorycrafting yveltal sets
Later that day, I was messing around in sr2 trying to make viable sets for a different teamdump. I eventually decided on trying leppa pdon sets but couldn’t get one that I didn’t feel was an inferior MMX or MMY. Ghastlypixie I think? Suggested using magic guard or wonder guard, which made me realize that mold breaker existed and add that to the squad. After moldy v-create and smash I thought that slowbro and other waters would be a problem so I added stoked sparksurfer because para is broken then added let’s snuggle forever because it hits dragons especially zygarde. Unfortunately you can’t use a physical electric Z-move and OHKO slowbro neutrally I believe so you kinda arent improofed with big innards but also just v-create spam versus imposter then innards it or revenge with Deoxys idk. With yveltal, pdon, and Deoxys on the squad it was gonna be innards improof so I asked phcord for silly innards sets and Electra passed this one which is relatively funny not sure how good it is though because I only needed to escape pursuit once and it left me at 25% which is pretty much useless.
After that I just slapped MMX and gengar and called it a day tbh very boring but if it works it works. The proof I have of this being at least slightly sample worthy (it isn’t) is that it got to top ten (rank 7 highest 1703 iirc) without me needing to think much. I always got cteamed by the time I’d try to climb past 170X though which was irritating.
you have weak matchups into like everything lol. If you guess the set wrong it’s probably over. Also if people use random unsets like scarf no guard and focus sash wonder guard kartana you probably just lose a Pokémon. No guard as a whole is tough too try to get tspike and fimp if it’s Deoxys, trade something and fimp into gengar, or tspike and fimp mmy. Others exist too but that’s case-by-case. Pbond gengar needs you to make every play right or you probably lose. Fakespeed evoboost slaking (kinda fake ngl try to do something well not two things poorly) forces innards.
It’s a double sample submission but the other one is just a modified version because I wanted eyeos to endure more. This one is less silly which annoys me but it’s better so whatever.
https://pokepast.es/ead5a88421767284
holy shit a core that actually beats no guard (fissure loses to yveltal sheer cold gets swapped around with innards + groudon)
You totally lose to multiple OHKO which is a fraud set so just play better. It’s basically the same team so I’ll just explain that Deoxys EVs are to guarantee OHKO on imp with any attack.
Happy testing, Eyeos ! I hope you like seeing the phrase “ate its leppa berry!” Because that happens a lot here.
What the fuck is a stall
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2481256158
ps oneliners: please delete them I’m making a whole stockpile of teams and some random with a ladder peak of 1500 rolls up and posts ten words and makes my dubious teams annoying to read because you have to scroll up past little Timmy’s funny haha remark or random question that could have been on the discord or the PS! Room.
Seriously though Ransei please either moderate your thread or have someone else do it who’s actually interested, this is going from “slightly annoying, just enough to joke about” to “this is actively ruining PH thread”
Aside from that, it’s time for me to make this NOT a one liner by posting some teams! Except this time it’s only two teams. Eyeos’s suffering will never end as this is a DOUBLE SAMPLE SUBMISSION!!!!
https://pokepast.es/00b3af74e7e97cc0
so I was larping around with ptoast (my goat btw PenultimateToast fried me on ladder while I was using this) and they kept suggesting to make my sets more insane. This led to the reinvention of Deoxys except it only clicks zmoves. I later added yveltal to the paste while theorycrafting yveltal sets
Later that day, I was messing around in sr2 trying to make viable sets for a different teamdump. I eventually decided on trying leppa pdon sets but couldn’t get one that I didn’t feel was an inferior MMX or MMY. Ghastlypixie I think? Suggested using magic guard or wonder guard, which made me realize that mold breaker existed and add that to the squad. After moldy v-create and smash I thought that slowbro and other waters would be a problem so I added stoked sparksurfer because para is broken then added let’s snuggle forever because it hits dragons especially zygarde. Unfortunately you can’t use a physical electric Z-move and OHKO slowbro neutrally I believe so you kinda arent improofed with big innards but also just v-create spam versus imposter then innards it or revenge with Deoxys idk. With yveltal, pdon, and Deoxys on the squad it was gonna be innards improof so I asked phcord for silly innards sets and Electra passed this one which is relatively funny not sure how good it is though because I only needed to escape pursuit once and it left me at 25% which is pretty much useless.
After that I just slapped MMX and gengar and called it a day tbh very boring but if it works it works. The proof I have of this being at least slightly sample worthy (it isn’t) is that it got to top ten (rank 7 highest 1703 iirc) without me needing to think much. I always got cteamed by the time I’d try to climb past 170X though which was irritating.
you have weak matchups into like everything lol. If you guess the set wrong it’s probably over. Also if people use random unsets like scarf no guard and focus sash wonder guard kartana you probably just lose a Pokémon. No guard as a whole is tough too try to get tspike and fimp if it’s Deoxys, trade something and fimp into gengar, or tspike and fimp mmy. Others exist too but that’s case-by-case. Pbond gengar needs you to make every play right or you probably lose. Fakespeed evoboost slaking (kinda fake ngl try to do something well not two things poorly) forces innards.
It’s a double sample submission but the other one is just a modified version because I wanted eyeos to endure more. This one is less silly which annoys me but it’s better so whatever.
https://pokepast.es/ead5a88421767284
holy shit a core that actually beats no guard (fissure loses to yveltal sheer cold gets swapped around with innards + groudon)
You totally lose to multiple OHKO which is a fraud set so just play better. It’s basically the same team so I’ll just explain that Deoxys EVs are to guarantee OHKO on imp with any attack.
Happy testing, Eyeos ! I hope you like seeing the phrase “ate its leppa berry!” Because that happens a lot here.
What the fuck is a stall
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2481256158
this is not ever making it to samples lmao
ps oneliners: please delete them I’m making a whole stockpile of teams and some random with a ladder peak of 1500 rolls up and posts ten words and makes my dubious teams annoying to read because you have to scroll up past little Timmy’s funny haha remark or random question that could have been on the discord or the PS! Room.
OK things are started to get a little bit heated so I'm just going to step in.
Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier we've seen you complaining about one-liners and such. I do agree but it's not nearly as bad as you've been making it out to be. Short posts are fine as long as they add constructively to the conversation which most posts have. Despite the name, when we discourage "one-liners" we aren't literally discouraging posts that are one line long, although yes ideally there would be more. Just for example, take the short posts replying to rightclicker's monotype teams post. Would the posts be higher quality if there was a little paragraph about the team accompanying them or something else? Sure. But they are hardly worth deleting in their current states because they do contribute to the discussion. There are posts on here that aren't constructive and probably warrant deleting but the reaction seems disproportionate. We do hear you though that some of the discussion on here might be better suited for the PS! room or discord and we agree.
Also usum council tests teams not just eyeos idk where this idea that only eyeos tests sample submissions got started ;-;
Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier we've seen you complaining about one-liners and such. I do agree but it's not nearly as bad as you've been making it out to be. Short posts are fine as long as they add constructively to the conversation which most posts have. Despite the name, when we discourage "one-liners" we aren't literally discouraging posts that are one line long, although yes ideally there would be more. Just for example, take the short posts replying to rightclicker's monotype teams post. Would the posts be higher quality if there was a little paragraph about the team accompanying them or something else? Sure. But they are hardly worth deleting in their current states because they do contribute to the discussion. There are posts on here that aren't constructive and probably warrant deleting but the reaction seems disproportionate. We do hear you though that some of the discussion on here might be better suited for the PS! room or discord and we agree.
Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^ What was with that response? I understand you might be frustrated at their complaining but please try to be more civil than this. If you have a problem with them work it out in DMs, not in a public thread.
Also usum council tests teams not just eyeos idk where this idea that only eyeos tests sample submissions got started ;-;
as much as i wanted to post this wonderful thing diemond35472 said on its own
i'm also getting annoyed with all these one-liners just like gloomstalker is so i won't post a one-liner and instead i'm posting a few shit teams i made while i was probably on something. (these are NOT sample sumbissions, eyeos you're finally free)
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wanted to build balance with mg solg as an alternative to pdon as it has nice defensive utililty, stab sunsteel and solg z (ndm is ugly and evil and slow and not as bulky and should probably be like c tier atp). please don't calc how much freeze-dry to zyg, but you could probably go volt tackle instead to hit stuff like gyara harder. ho-oh is the improof instead of heatran because i hate fissure, but 4x rocks weakness is pretty sad. rest of the team should be self-explanitory.
idk what i was thinking with this one. deo sets hazards and clean offensive teams once innards/fakespeed have been killed or innards™ed, both kartana are meant to kill things (volcanion isn't real, it can't hurt me), imp + dual innards also help vs offense. the level 71 one means you can always die to min attack pbond gar's first hit of u-turn while still being able to run eviolite so you don't also fold to special moves, unfortunately it coincidentally barely doesn't kills slaking.
idk man
diancie kills things, steelix improofs diancie, rest is self-explanitory. when i posted the diancie set in a side hackmons related server aidan amoongus thought it was for bh which is kinda funny.
same team but with gardevoir, since it gets big stab psystrike to snipe rarer stuff like pogre and wg blob, not really much else to say.
are these teams good? probably not tbh, but my ph mindset is currently building sheist teams. they're super fun to use though.
how did this make its way onto my post
i'm also getting annoyed with all these one-liners just like gloomstalker is so i won't post a one-liner and instead i'm posting a few shit teams i made while i was probably on something. (these are NOT sample sumbissions, eyeos you're finally free)
: wanted to build balance with mg solg as an alternative to pdon as it has nice defensive utililty, stab sunsteel and solg z (ndm is ugly and evil and slow and not as bulky and should probably be like c tier atp). please don't calc how much freeze-dry to zyg, but you could probably go volt tackle instead to hit stuff like gyara harder. ho-oh is the improof instead of heatran because i hate fissure, but 4x rocks weakness is pretty sad. rest of the team should be self-explanitory. idk what i was thinking with this one. deo sets hazards and clean offensive teams once innards/fakespeed have been killed or innards™ed, both kartana are meant to kill things (volcanion isn't real, it can't hurt me), imp + dual innards also help vs offense. the level 71 one means you can always die to min attack pbond gar's first hit of u-turn while still being able to run eviolite so you don't also fold to special moves, unfortunately it coincidentally barely doesn't kills slaking. idk man diancie kills things, steelix improofs diancie, rest is self-explanitory. when i posted the diancie set in a side hackmons related server aidan amoongus thought it was for bh which is kinda funny. same team but with gardevoir, since it gets big stab psystrike to snipe rarer stuff like pogre and wg blob, not really much else to say.are these teams good? probably not tbh, but my ph mindset is currently building sheist teams. they're super fun to use though.
how did this make its way onto my post
Sorry I was just trying to cool things off with a joke my apologies if anything came of as rude but things have been worked out also atp Its a running Gag that Eyeos is the only team tester
Speaking of teams I have another sample submission https://pokepast.es/d53f8a672d92e883 this team I find has enough coverage to get around most of the common teams on ladder while being able to not just get swept by a team of six blobs if played right and I have dont pretty well with this team and while theres obviously most likely problems that could be picked apart im gonna let the people of this thread do that! YES feel FREE to put your opinions of this submission but not to derail from the topic of this team it has A Huge Power MMX that coverage that let's it hit alot of things (Don't try hitting Sableye tho cause you won't be able to) and for things you can't just hit with MMX theres MMYwith moonblast to force Those Dark Types out Kartana is WG to make sure NG doesn't just sweep you if the blob was already sacked Psysurge obviously keeps Prio mons like Triage ray from going ham and the blob is standard blob stuff
interesting and underrated(mabye) sets I found recently
Beedrill-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn / Pursuit
- First Impression
- Sunsteel Strike
- V-create / Spectral Thief / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike
150 atk and 137 atk is actually a lot different, whilst being a poison type give you important niche like ability to absorb tspikes and fairy resistance.
Gyarados-Mega @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Will-O-Wisp / Spore
- Power Trip
- Sunsteel Strike
Found this in calc extension. This is actually so beautiful
Pheromosa @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Pin Missile
- V-create
fast Fighting move user is so underrated
Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Mewtwonite Y
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Mild Nature
- Spore
- Shell Smash
- Photon Geyser
- Power Trip
uhhhh I have no idea what does it do, mabye cooler gren
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moongeist Beam
- Shell Smash
- Trick
- Photon Geyser
not quite sure if it actually does anything over normal wg ndw but stag trick scarf is big utility especially against stall but on the other hand wg blocking uturn is also big... idk
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Beedrill-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn / Pursuit
- First Impression
- Sunsteel Strike
- V-create / Spectral Thief / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike
150 atk and 137 atk is actually a lot different, whilst being a poison type give you important niche like ability to absorb tspikes and fairy resistance.
V-create vs. 447-526 (107.4 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
First Impression vs. -1 504-594 (121.1 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 655-772 (157.4 - 185.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Sunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def 385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 499-588 (119.9 - 141.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252+ Def
426-504 (105.4 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Spectral Thief vs. 447-528 (107.4 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 346-407 (85.6 - 100.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
First Impression vs. 252+ Def
398-471 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U-turn vs. 252+ Def 312-369 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
V-create vs. 252+ Def Fur Coat 221-260 (62.4 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Moongeist Beam vs. 
250-295 (74.8 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Pixilate Extreme Speed vs. 120-142 (35.9 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Pixilate Boomburst vs. 146-172 (43.7 - 51.4%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Sunsteel Strike vs. 168-198 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
447-526 (107.4 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKOFirst Impression vs. -1
504-594 (121.1 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKOU-turn vs.
655-772 (157.4 - 185.5%) -- guaranteed OHKOSunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def
385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKOSunsteel Strike vs. 252+ Def
385-455 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rockswitching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs.
499-588 (119.9 - 141.3%) -- guaranteed OHKOswitching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252+ Def
426-504 (105.4 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKOSpectral Thief vs.
447-528 (107.4 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKOSoul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs.
346-407 (85.6 - 100.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth RockFirst Impression vs. 252+ Def
398-471 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKOU-turn vs. 252+ Def
312-369 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth RockV-create vs. 252+ Def Fur Coat
221-260 (62.4 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252+ SpA Parental Bond
Moongeist Beam vs. 250-295 (74.8 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Pixilate
Extreme Speed vs. 120-142 (35.9 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO252 SpA Pixilate
Boomburst vs. 146-172 (43.7 - 51.4%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO252 Atk
Sunsteel Strike vs. 168-198 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKOGyarados-Mega @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Will-O-Wisp / Spore
- Power Trip
- Sunsteel Strike
Found this in calc extension. This is actually so beautiful
Pheromosa @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Pin Missile
- V-create
fast Fighting move user is so underrated
Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Mewtwonite Y
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Mild Nature
- Spore
- Shell Smash
- Photon Geyser
- Power Trip
uhhhh I have no idea what does it do, mabye cooler gren
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moongeist Beam
- Shell Smash
- Trick
- Photon Geyser
not quite sure if it actually does anything over normal wg ndw but stag trick scarf is big utility especially against stall but on the other hand wg blocking uturn is also big... idk
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Upon reconsideration on our part as USUM Pure Hackmons council, we will now be replacing the Bird Council Yveltal Spam with Child of Night's Primal Kyogre stall team, which has done impressively on the ladder and against notable players alike.I and the rest of the USUM Council have acknowledged that our resources haven't been updated in a very long time, so we've looked into changes being made to update things to the current state of the metagame and what draws players in. The VR Update is currently being worked on and will be posted some time in the near future. For now, we have sample teams updated.
After lots of consideration to the effectiveness of submitted teams as well as their overall appeal in the meta from incoming players, here list of teams and updates:
Sample Teams
(Most offensive <---> Most defensive)
MMX Spam Hyper Offense by sussyamongusdrip
Lopunny + Psychic Terrain Hyper Offense by gold0987
White Kyurem Offense by aerobee
Ash Ketchum Offense by Ransei
Diamancie Revamped by Eyeos
Yveltal Spam by Archey
Shadow Tag Gyarados Stall by Eyeos
Z Pdon + No Guard Greninja Offense by NToTheN
Power Trip Gyarados + Ice Shard Leppa MMX Balance by NToTheN
Shedinja Semistall by aerobee
Z-Lovely Kiss Greninja Baton Pass by aerobee
Anchor Shot Audino + Scarf Imposter Stall by aerobee
Dual Magic Guard Triple MMX Hyper Offense by Bahamut
MMX + Lunala Balance by NToTheN
Primal Groudon Spam by aerobee
Smash Mega Gyarados Psychic Terrain Hyper Offense by aerobee
No Guard Lopunny Hyper Offense by Bahamut
PBond Gengar + Bounce PDon Offense by NToTheN
Zenith Mode by Ransei
Altrove by @AV Cosmoem
CLOCKUP FLOWERS by Akira 153
Trick-or-Treat Yveltal Balance by @AV Cosmoem
Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance by NToTheN
Substitute Harvest Slaking Semistall by sussyamongusdrip
Changelog:
February 10, 2024
- Changed HP EVs to 248 on BP sample Greninja
August 12, 2024
November 2, 2024
November 5, 2024
- Moved Z-Lovely Kiss Fullpass team to legacy
- Moved Anchor Shot Mega Audino stall to legacy
- Added Stag Gyara Stall to samples
- Added Sub Harvest Slaking Semistall to samples
- Added Z Pdon + No Guard Gren to legacy
- Added Power Trip Gyara + Ice Shard MMX to legacy
- Added Shedinja Semistall to legacy
December 28, 2024
- Fixed EVs in Stag Gyarados Stall by Eyeos
- Fixed a few teams not linking to author account correctly
February 9, 2025
- Moved Dual Magic Guard Triple MMX Hyper Offense to legacy
- Added Zenith Mode to samples
- Reordered the sample teams to better reflect how offensive/defensive each team is
April 2, 2025
- Moved MMX + Lunala Balance to legacy
- Added Trick-or-Treat Yveltal Balance to samples
April 3, 2025
- Moved Primal Groudon Spam to legacy
- Moved aerobee's psychic terrain HO to legacy
- Moved No Guard Lopunny HO by Bahamut to legacy
- Moved Pdond Gengar + Bounce PDon Offense to legacy
- Moved Zenith Mode to legacy
- Moved Diamancie to legacy
- Added MMX spam hyper offense to samples
- Added gold's Lopunny + psyterrain HO to samples
- Added Altrove by samples
- Added CLOCKUP FLOWERS to samples
- Added Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance to samples
- Added Diamancie revampled to samples
October 18, 2025
- Fixed moves on Lopunny + Psyterrain HO
- Moved Altrove to legacy
- Moved CLOCKUP FLOWERS to legacy
- Moved Huge Power Primal Groudon Balance to legacy
- Moved Substitute Harvest Slaking Semistall to legacy
- Added White Kyurem Offense to samples
- Added Ash Ketchum to samples
- Added Yveltal spam to samples
- Removed Diamancie from legacy
Enjoy!
Metagame Post in thread 'USUM Pure Hackmons'
I have been cooking up this team for about a year now, and I feel like it would make a fine sample at this point. I have made some changes recently to make the team a bit easier to pilot while not really diminishing its effectiveness, and to account for recent ladder usage trends. It has shown great results over the past year and has continued to get better recently due to HO...
Primal Kyogre Stall by Child of Night
It'll be placed on the bottom of the samples list as it is the now the most overall defensive sample team.
On the side note: Sample submissions are now closed for the time being - They've gotten far too out of hand on this thread while being left open indefinitely. We may still be looking into making future teams sample worthy in the future but not on this thread.
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First of all we are usually trying to avoid posting one liners with barely any useful imformations.
And I do Like mbee but its not really capable to be a setup (or) sweeper. The natural high speed tier does help a lot against offense and balance, while first impression grants its ability to revenge kill even faster foes without sash on. To me this is more like a fast offensive pivot.
To avoid filling up the thread with sht post I'm gonna post sth informational right here which is more sht ass sets yes
imp sweep.gif
Look familiar?
Scenes like these are happening all over the galaxy right now.
You could be next.
That is unless you make the most important decision of your life.
Prove to yourself that you have the strength and the courage to be free.
Join...the Imp killers.
Look familiar?
Scenes like these are happening all over the galaxy right now.
You could be next.
That is unless you make the most important decision of your life.
Prove to yourself that you have the strength and the courage to be free.
Join...the Imp killers.
so here is some (underrated) imp killer sets
Deoxys-Attack @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 0 Def / 30 SpA
- Light that burns the Sky
- Photon Geyser / Searing Sunraze Smash
- Pursuit
- U-turn
As we can easily see its a simple imp trap. On the other hand Hp deoa isn't so bad if you ignore the lack of power. This does work against a lot of imp, but outside of being a imp trap its prob just only useful on psyspam hos. iirc its the only shed shell imp trapper
Zygarde-Complete/Slowbro-Mega/Steelix-Mega/Blissey/Insert whatever wall @ Shed Shell / Safety Googles
Ability: Arena Trap / Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Impish Nature
- Shore Up / Strength Sap
- Spectral Thief / Spikes / Defog / U-turn
- Perish Song
- Taunt / Imprison
Also pretty simple trap, shts on passive non pivot sets.
Again people are still hella underestimating impostor...
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