Then yeah. The stats are correct.
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Pokémon Vivillon
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No, it definitely won't be an OU Pokemon, but it'll have more usage than Butterfree for sure. From the amount of battles I've seen it in, it'll be NU, but it's pretty damn threatening to be sure.
It will be higher than NU... Both Lilligant and Venomoth are higher than NU. I think it will be at least RU, but probably UU.
It's based off of usage, and I really haven't seen many Vivillon in XY OU. Yes, Venomoth and Lilligant aren't NU, but that's because of their usage (technically, Venomoth is in BL2), not their viability. Maybe usage of Vivillon will rise in the future, but with the amount of Vivillon I've seen on PS, RU is a bit of a stretch.
...Being RU or UU is based off of your usage in RU or UU, not your usage in OU. Seriously, you're saying you're not seeing it in the "OU" gen 6, and that makes it NU? That's not the way tiers work.
I use vivillon in ou and he wrecks everyone's shit. he gets to +2 so damn easily unlike volcarona
We don't have XY UU through NU yet, so that's how I'm basing my estimation.
Can we agree to go to middle route and guess it'll be RU?
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It does, but that doesn't mean it'll be in a higher tier, just that it'll have a niche.
Not really, without current tiers to base usage of off, the best way is to compare to other pokemon that were in tiers before, and Vivillon more powerful than Venomoth and Lilligant, meaning it should be at least RU, if not higher. Guesstimating off of current usage in "OU" doesn't really mean anything, while comparing it's power and doing calculations can give a better idea until tiers are created and stabilized. There is no point in making a "guess", but a point to make an informed decision based off of its power and ability.
Asdie from compoundeyes Sleep Poweder I'm not sure its more powerful than Venomoth, who has the same SpA and Speed but better defenses. Arguably better typing too.
Aren't both bug flying?
Edit: derp you meant venomoth not butterfree
Venomoth can BP and actually have the defs sufficient to setup on even chandelure locked into shadow ball.
But however and but according to my experience, I concluded that its best item is fking WIDE LENS.
STAB compoundeyes Hurricane is a massive disagreement with that, after one boost it can provide so many more KO points than Venomoth, and at 2 boosts, that number jumps even higher. Hurricane isn't walled by a crap ton of things like bug buzz is either.
Flying is just a great attacking type.
Edit: If you go back a page, and check my post where I showed what it can KO with one boost and rocks up, and also what becomes set-up fodder, and you'll see how insanely useful having Hurricane is to it. That was just OU mons too, it will probably have an easier time in the lower tiers.
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Alright, so if we compare it's power to other QDancers, I think I can agree on RU/UU. It is really powerful after all.
The fact that this thing gets Hurricane is just ooooooooooozing with flavor and automatically makes Vivillon one of my favorite Pokemon of all time. I mean, it's the freaking Butterfly Effect!!
I'm still holding out that Serebii's stats are a bit off, because a base speed of 100 would DEFINITELY make it OU. It is such a versatile Pokemon and will be so often underestimated, that it'll end up wiping a lot of people.
I'm still holding out that Serebii's stats are a bit off, because a base speed of 100 would DEFINITELY make it OU. It is such a versatile Pokemon and will be so often underestimated, that it'll end up wiping a lot of people.
I have a Vivillon in-game in my Y. Its moves:
Quiver Dance (obligatory, otherwise she really can't do much)
Bug Buzz (STAB)
Hurricane (STAB)
Energy Ball (Coverage)
With Compound Eyes
Hasn't failed me yet.
As for the above post: What kind of idiot uses Hurricane for Sun Support? You realize that sunny weather drops the accuracy of Hurricane down to 50% rather than 70%, right?
Quiver Dance (obligatory, otherwise she really can't do much)
Bug Buzz (STAB)
Hurricane (STAB)
Energy Ball (Coverage)
With Compound Eyes
Hasn't failed me yet.
As for the above post: What kind of idiot uses Hurricane for Sun Support? You realize that sunny weather drops the accuracy of Hurricane down to 50% rather than 70%, right?
Nah, I highly doubt this thing will be OU, even if it's speed was actually 100. Staraptor and Volcarona are bulkier, which is actually quite sad; it's just too frail for the higher tiers, where 100 speed is considered only decent.
That said, 90 SpA, and the combination of Quiver Dance, Compound Eyes+Hurricane (sooooo good) and Sleep Powder gives it some really nice opportunites to set up in the lower tiers. Basically, Vivillon looks like Venomoth with a few differences;
- Worse typing (Bug / Poison is by far better than Bug / Flying)
- Compound Eyes over Tinted Lens (I gotta say, a very accurate Hurricane is WAAAY better than a Tinted Lense Bug Buzz)
- No Baton Pass (I can always pray for an egg move...)
- Vivillon has slightly (just slightly) lower bulk and tiny speed disadvantage (unless the current estimate of 89 speed is wrong, Venomoth just manages to outpace Vivillon by 1 point).
I am definetely excited to start raising one of these when the lower tiers are decided.
Vivi shouldn't be used n the Sun her biggest draw is that sexy 92% STAB Hurricane coming off of a decent 90 Base SpA... wish her bulk wasn't so terrible and had 90 Speed... GF outdid themselves with Early Mons... Diggersby has Huge Power STAB EQ plus a higher attack stat that Azumarill which is already a Monster because of that ability
Talonflame is insane in general and Vivid gets 92% Hurricane
Well, I've actually been using a setup lead vivi in ubers with the following unusual set:
Vivillon@leftovers/binding band
Timid, 252 speed 252 sp atk 4 sp def
Trait- compoundeyes
-infestation
-quiver dance
-sleep powder
-hurricane
With the exception of aegislash and power herb xerneas (only saw it once), this set works beautifully. Infestation traps them and deals decent damage over time. With the binding band it's 1/6 total health a turn. With lefties, just 1/8. Sleep powder usually allows at least one quiver dance, sometimes two. I wouldn't go for three since infestation ends. On that turn you just destroy it with hurricane. At +2 spe, spa, and spd, vivi is a boss.
Vivillon@leftovers/binding band
Timid, 252 speed 252 sp atk 4 sp def
Trait- compoundeyes
-infestation
-quiver dance
-sleep powder
-hurricane
With the exception of aegislash and power herb xerneas (only saw it once), this set works beautifully. Infestation traps them and deals decent damage over time. With the binding band it's 1/6 total health a turn. With lefties, just 1/8. Sleep powder usually allows at least one quiver dance, sometimes two. I wouldn't go for three since infestation ends. On that turn you just destroy it with hurricane. At +2 spe, spa, and spd, vivi is a boss.
What are u running on your Vivillon if you don't mind me asking?
Vivi's pretty amazing in the Battle Maison... after 2 or 3 boosts she wrecks shit with Hurricane... shame she doesn't get baton pass though... but Vivillon is pretty deadly despite sub par bulk... I could see her reaching possibly UU... Hurricane spam is awesome especially with the confusion chance
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