It's actually easier to slap earthquake/nature power/etc on your chlorophyll user of choice and then bait in heatran and kill him. Dugtrio can be used if you want to put up with the headache. As far as volcorona is concerned, it's always worth it.
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Volcarona
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Stealth Rock breaks sashes. So do Spikes. What's your stupid Dugtrio gonna do now? Dig to dodge the incoming Fire Blast?
Also: Does Dugtrio seriously OHKO T-Tar with an Earthquake coming off 80 Base Attack? If so I have lost faith in that dinosaur.
No one said you have to run sash dugtrio. and besides, if youre running volcarona, you prolly have rapid spin support. also, the point of dugtrio is not to switch into a heatran to tank a fire blast (LOL) the point of dugtrio is to switch in on a predicted heatran switch in (which isnt really hard. just send out volcarona or ninetales or any other grass attacker/ fire attacker/ ferrothorn or watever) and switch dugtrio in UNSCATHED. if you have been using dugtrio to soak up heatran's fire blasts, you have ben using him wrong.
does jolly dugtrio outspeed scarftran? im not sureee.
but LOL dugtrio IS PATHETICALLY WEAK, yes, but im sure it can kill a heatran. is memento worth it?
i usually run stealth rock-stone edge-sucker punch-earthquake on my sun teams.
Edit: scarftran outspeed but i havent seen a scarftran in YEARS. so doesnt matter
but LOL dugtrio IS PATHETICALLY WEAK, yes, but im sure it can kill a heatran. is memento worth it?
i usually run stealth rock-stone edge-sucker punch-earthquake on my sun teams.
Edit: scarftran outspeed but i havent seen a scarftran in YEARS. so doesnt matter
Not particularly relevant to Volcarona, but here's Jolly CBTrio vs. 252 HP tar, which is most common as of now:
388 Atk vs 256 Def & 404 HP (100 Base Power): 326 - 386 (80.69% - 95.54%)
adamant ups it to 356 - 422 (88.12% - 104.46%), which means if you have hazards down and you can double switch into ttar, you're guaranteed to weaken it to the point where it can't switch back in to reset the weather.
Either way, it's good for volcarona since Dugtrio can trap special walls and finish them off with EQ, which is good even with only 80 atk. Pretty sure it can also 2hko Eviolite Chansey after SR, meaning offensive volcarona can sweep without Blissey/Chansey walling it to hell and back. CB Sucker Punch is also underestimated in power, so it can catch foes by surprise.
it only 2hkos chansey after sr with about 40% of the time, and thats 4 hp 252 def bold, not 252 hp
and thats adamant duggy heres jolly vs 4 hp 252 def chansey
388 Atk vs 178 Def & 642 HP (100 Base Power): 235 - 277 (36.60% - 43.15%)
cant even 2hko with sr so chansey can softboiled up and eventually hit toxic
im just bein an ass though, duggy is still good with volcarona lol
and thats adamant duggy heres jolly vs 4 hp 252 def chansey
388 Atk vs 178 Def & 642 HP (100 Base Power): 235 - 277 (36.60% - 43.15%)
cant even 2hko with sr so chansey can softboiled up and eventually hit toxic
im just bein an ass though, duggy is still good with volcarona lol
i thought the topic of Heatran as a counter was Specially defensive versions, which don't even carry a scarf.
yea i was just curious.
scarftran is a set up bait for volcarona anyways. just quiver dance up, take shit damage from fire blast, and 2hko/3hko with bug buzz
timid volcarona with sunny day, flamethrower, solar beam and bug buzz. i think it's a good moveset.
sunnybeam sucks and Quiver Dance is what makes Volcarona worth using...
I did lol, but that wasn't what I meant.
All the following scenarios take place with Heatran holding an Air Balloon
Scenario - Dugtrio is Sashed, no Entry Hazards
1) Volcarona -> Dugtrio / Walled Defending Pokemon -> Heatran
2) Dugtrio used Stone Edge/Sucker Punch!
Heatran's Air Balloon pops!
Heatran used Fire Blast!
Dugtrio is brought down to its sash
3) Dugtrio KOs Heatran
Scenario - Dugtrio is Sashed, Stealth Rock/Spikes up
1) Volcarona -> Dugtrio / Walled Defending Pokemon -> Heatran
Pointed rocks dug into Dugtrio
2) Dugtrio used Stone Edge/Sucker Punch!
Heatran's Air Balloon pops!
Heatran used Fire Blast!
Dugtrio fainted!
Scenario - Dugtrio is Banded
1) Volcarona -> Dugtrio / Walled Defending Pokemon -> Heatran
2) Dugtrio used Stone Edge/Sucker Punch!
Heatran's Air Balloon pops!
Heatran used Fire Blast!
Dugtrio fainted!
OR
2) Dugtrio used Earthquake!
Heatran avoided the attack! (I have no idea what the text should be)
Heatran used Fire Blast!
Dugtrio fainted!
As you can see, if entry hazards are up, and they should be as much as possible, if you see a Dugtrio in team preview, then Dugtrio is screwed.
Edit: Life Orb will likely have the same effect as Choice Band.
You are likely using Dugtrio with spin support, and you are NOT supposed to be switching Dugtrio in anyway, lol.
Ninetales.
A rapid spinner.
It also works pretty well with Thundurus imo.
Also. Why would you stay in on duggy if you see he has an Air Balloon? Trapping Tran with duggy before scouting the balloon and/or popping it is just using duggy wrong. Duggy is really valuable when you know how to use him.
Morning sun Volcorona can work with sand support. A weakened tyranitar and politoed at all whatsoever have no business screwing around with you after a quiver dance.
I'm not going to offer defensive partners for volcorona, since when you switch in, you REALLY do not want to switch out again. If your opponent brought in something that could handle volcorona, then you probably shouldn't have sent it in to begin with.
That being said, empoleon resists all of volcorona's weaknesses and with hp electric and earthquake can cover the most common volcorona switchins. Could work as a specially defensive steel and could phaze/set up stealth rocks. Tangrowth with earthquake not only baits in heatran (You guys are going to assume he isn't carrying earthquake, since most of you think that heatran is the best answer to every chloropoke), but beats excadrill, terrakion, and tyranitar if it has already set up. Snorlax handles heatran. Hitmontop handles terrakion. You have a few options, but if you're playing sun just stick with an offensive pokemon who will eventually attract the attention of your opponent's volcorona counter anyway. I found that venusaur and Infernape both work wonders here. Your own balloon heatran works against things that aren't named terrakion or gyarados...
Whenever I used dugtrio I had to do stupid shit. I used a CM Sunny day espeon with hp fighting (who kills non scarfed tyranitar anyway) in order to bait the t-tar switch in and force it to kill me, just so I could have duggy come in safely. Or heatran would switch in against venusaur and I'd use energy ball to pop the balloon as it tried to kill me. Attempts to double switch usually occured in my opponent being intelligent and not sending in either pokemon, or sacrificing something they know won't be of much use to them in the battle. In most cases with sand teams, its usually a terrakion.
The best you're going to get is LO Dugtrio since CB Duggy is pretty crappy and locking yourself into earthquake is like inviting Dragonite to come to your house for tea. Thundurus probably will switch out, but at least you have a way to revenge him or not let him make fun of you after you kill something. The best part is when you use memento after Dugtrio has served his purpose, allowing for your sweeper of choice (Volcorona in this case) to come in and abuse your weakened enemy. Using stealth rock on dugtrio can be used the same way memento can. Just pull it out once he's done what he needed to do.
I'm not going to offer defensive partners for volcorona, since when you switch in, you REALLY do not want to switch out again. If your opponent brought in something that could handle volcorona, then you probably shouldn't have sent it in to begin with.
That being said, empoleon resists all of volcorona's weaknesses and with hp electric and earthquake can cover the most common volcorona switchins. Could work as a specially defensive steel and could phaze/set up stealth rocks. Tangrowth with earthquake not only baits in heatran (You guys are going to assume he isn't carrying earthquake, since most of you think that heatran is the best answer to every chloropoke), but beats excadrill, terrakion, and tyranitar if it has already set up. Snorlax handles heatran. Hitmontop handles terrakion. You have a few options, but if you're playing sun just stick with an offensive pokemon who will eventually attract the attention of your opponent's volcorona counter anyway. I found that venusaur and Infernape both work wonders here. Your own balloon heatran works against things that aren't named terrakion or gyarados...
Whenever I used dugtrio I had to do stupid shit. I used a CM Sunny day espeon with hp fighting (who kills non scarfed tyranitar anyway) in order to bait the t-tar switch in and force it to kill me, just so I could have duggy come in safely. Or heatran would switch in against venusaur and I'd use energy ball to pop the balloon as it tried to kill me. Attempts to double switch usually occured in my opponent being intelligent and not sending in either pokemon, or sacrificing something they know won't be of much use to them in the battle. In most cases with sand teams, its usually a terrakion.
The best you're going to get is LO Dugtrio since CB Duggy is pretty crappy and locking yourself into earthquake is like inviting Dragonite to come to your house for tea. Thundurus probably will switch out, but at least you have a way to revenge him or not let him make fun of you after you kill something. The best part is when you use memento after Dugtrio has served his purpose, allowing for your sweeper of choice (Volcorona in this case) to come in and abuse your weakened enemy. Using stealth rock on dugtrio can be used the same way memento can. Just pull it out once he's done what he needed to do.