There was overlap in the replies of chaos and Jumpman so I am not responding to everything that was said here, just what is required.
Or take another case study: Aldaron initially tried to convince me that the egg moves thing was confined to what I initially believed it was. Rather than just accepting that, I posted a discussion topic (which attracted many poor replied unfortunately), but it ultimately turned out that the effects of the glitch were more widespread, so it would have to be a separate game, rather than applied to the main one as Aldaron would have preferred. I actually do care what is posted in these topics.
This is no excuse because both the forum topic and the tournament were thoroughly advertised. It is extremely hard to imagine that all of these skilled players were ignorant of this (and they weren't, since many signed up for the tournament). The reality is they chose not to participate in the topic and discussion, not that they didn't know about it. You are wrong that we did not get any public opinion on this. There was public opinion involved at every step of the way, and a continual bombardment of adverts to encourage people to voice their opinions.
In fact, Jumpman said above "Max Legendary IVs were banned without any public discussion." and my reply is that since it was just an issue of mechanics, that was not required, and I was apparently criticised for that response, even though we seem to agree.
To be fair, I am in a fairly awkward position here. Especially now that Smogon is going to have its own server, I feel pretty out of place commenting on this stuff, since the only reason I was commenting in the first place is that I hosted the most popular server. But if I am still welcome here then I apologise for not taking the initiative in this regard.
Jumpman said:If that is the argument you're going with, it begs the question: "hasn't there been 'clear opposition' to Wobbuffet for the last five months?" Since you know the answer to that, and you also know what you've done (or haven't done) in spite of the answer to that, then logically the only answer to your question is "yes, I do".
Or take another case study: Aldaron initially tried to convince me that the egg moves thing was confined to what I initially believed it was. Rather than just accepting that, I posted a discussion topic (which attracted many poor replied unfortunately), but it ultimately turned out that the effects of the glitch were more widespread, so it would have to be a separate game, rather than applied to the main one as Aldaron would have preferred. I actually do care what is posted in these topics.
Jumpman said:The issue here is that you feel that your forums are, or, at the very least, were representative of the opinion of a large portion of the competitive pokemon battling community.
This is no excuse because both the forum topic and the tournament were thoroughly advertised. It is extremely hard to imagine that all of these skilled players were ignorant of this (and they weren't, since many signed up for the tournament). The reality is they chose not to participate in the topic and discussion, not that they didn't know about it. You are wrong that we did not get any public opinion on this. There was public opinion involved at every step of the way, and a continual bombardment of adverts to encourage people to voice their opinions.
Ignoring what you mean by "we", that's an ad verecundiam argument and you know it. Maybe VIL's a retard...or, to not counter an appeal to authority with an ad hominem, maybe Sub blocking Rapid Spin suited his style or best team very well. Regardless, it is up for discussion for the reason I literally underlined: there's virtually no way that a simulator can get it exactly right and even know that we did without Nintendo releasing a comprehensive list.
Or, again, it's a question of game mechanics. You knew this paragraph didn't really support your argument, why did you include it?
Well it looks like we all agree then. The portion of my post which Jumpman quoted was criticising the fact that whether legendary IVs should be restricted is up for vote. Since this is just an issue of game mechanics, it shouldn't be up to preference (as it is in this topic). And if chaos agrees with me here, why are we voting on it?Game mechanics shouldn't be left to preference; they should be as close to the game as we can get it.
In fact, Jumpman said above "Max Legendary IVs were banned without any public discussion." and my reply is that since it was just an issue of mechanics, that was not required, and I was apparently criticised for that response, even though we seem to agree.
Jumpman said:Ok, how do you know that you wouldn't have been welcomed into our inner circle (Inside Scoop) if you demonstrated that you actually wanted to be a part of it? You're as guilty of this as is AA (even if he has much less of a reason to be), so don't even try making us out to be the guilty party.
To be fair, I am in a fairly awkward position here. Especially now that Smogon is going to have its own server, I feel pretty out of place commenting on this stuff, since the only reason I was commenting in the first place is that I hosted the most popular server. But if I am still welcome here then I apologise for not taking the initiative in this regard.