(Archive) Small Objective Changes Thread

Banedon

UU speed tiers - http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/uu_speed_tiers

To calculate your necessary starting Speed when factoring in Agility, Rock Polish, Chlorophyll, or Swift Swim, all you need to do is add one to the Speed of the Pokemon you wish to outspeed, divide it by two and round up the result. In practice, for example, should you decide that you want your Altaria to outspeed +Speed Electrode after a single agility to destroy it with Earthquake, you just add one to Electrode's Speed, giving you 418. Dividing this in half and rounding up the result when the necessary gives you your desired starting Speed which is 209 in this case.

To factor in the use of Dragon Dance or Salac Berry, you need to find the Speed of the target you wish to outspeed and multiply it by 2/3. For example, if you want your Altaria to outspeed +Speed Electrode, all you need to do is multiply your target Speed (417) by 2/3, which returns 278. After a single Dragon Dance Altaria should now hit 417 but in order to outspeed Electrode you would want at least 418, so add a single point the 278, this is now the minimum starting Speed necessary in this case.
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According to the article itself, +ve nature max speed Electrode has a speed stat of 416, not 417.
 
Warped Worlds

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/kingdra

In the Kingdra analysis, the current EV spread for the Rain Mixed Attacker is 208Atk/138SpA/164Spe. The spread is correct, but in optional changes it has an error as seen here.

"Specific EVs are given for each set. Adamant, 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe is best for the Substitute Dragon Dance set, whereas Adamant, 252 Atk / 24 SpA / 232 Spe is the best option for the Dragon Dance + 3 Attacks set. Double Dance set is best with Adamant, 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Spe, but can use Adamant, 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe if you want to outspeed +1 positive base 100s in the rain. Mixed Rain Dance set should use Naughty, 252 Atk / 240 SpA / 16 Spe to outspeed Choice Scarf Heatran in the rain, but Naughty, 192 Atk / 240 SpA / 76 Spe is a good alternative to outspeed +1 neutral natured base 100s at the slight cost of Attack. Special Rain Dance set should use either Modest 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe or Modest, 92 HP / 252 SpA / 164 Spe for a bit more bulk. Timid, 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe can even be used for surprise factor outside of rain, as well as outspeed almost all opposing Kingdra and +2 Jolly Gyarados in the rain."

In the bolded sentence, it has the outdated spread listed as the reccomended spread. I conclude that the wording on the sentence is changed to something like this. It doesn't have to be my exact words, but the current wording seems a bit awkward I think.

"Although Mixed Rain Dance Kingdra's optimal spread is 208Atk/138SpA/164Spe, It has a couple of other viable spreads in 252Atk/240SpA/16Spe, and 192Atk/240SpA/76Spe also using a Naughty nature. The former is meant to outspeed Scarfed Heatran while rain is up, while giving you more oomph on your attack. The latter is meant to outspeed +1 neutral based 100 pokemon while rain is up."
 
Umbreon Dan

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TheMantyke said:
http://www.smogon.com/gs/items/tm01

The link on this page is broken. The Move should be spelled DynamicPunch and the hyperlink should go to the proper page.
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you're right, thanks!

LizardMan said:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/kingdra

In the Kingdra analysis, the current EV spread for the Rain Mixed Attacker is 208Atk/138SpA/164Spe. The spread is correct, but in optional changes it has an error as seen here.

"Specific EVs are given for each set. Adamant, 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe is best for the Substitute Dragon Dance set, whereas Adamant, 252 Atk / 24 SpA / 232 Spe is the best option for the Dragon Dance + 3 Attacks set. Double Dance set is best with Adamant, 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Spe, but can use Adamant, 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe if you want to outspeed +1 positive base 100s in the rain. Mixed Rain Dance set should use Naughty, 252 Atk / 240 SpA / 16 Spe to outspeed Choice Scarf Heatran in the rain, but Naughty, 192 Atk / 240 SpA / 76 Spe is a good alternative to outspeed +1 neutral natured base 100s at the slight cost of Attack. Special Rain Dance set should use either Modest 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe or Modest, 92 HP / 252 SpA / 164 Spe for a bit more bulk. Timid, 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe can even be used for surprise factor outside of rain, as well as outspeed almost all opposing Kingdra and +2 Jolly Gyarados in the rain."

In the bolded sentence, it has the outdated spread listed as the reccomended spread. I conclude that the wording on the sentence is changed to something like this. It doesn't have to be my exact words, but the current wording seems a bit awkward I think.

"Although Mixed Rain Dance Kingdra's optimal spread is 208Atk/138SpA/164Spe, It has a couple of other viable spreads in 252Atk/240SpA/16Spe, and 192Atk/240SpA/76Spe also using a Naughty nature. The former is meant to outspeed Scarfed Heatran while rain is up, while giving you more oomph on your attack. The latter is meant to outspeed +1 neutral based 100 pokemon while rain is up."
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i just changed "should use" to "could use". heh. thanks for this!
 
Warped Worlds

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/togekiss

The Offensive Nasty Plot set has a typo. The EV spread listed is 192 HP / 80 SpA / 236 Spe which is fine. It gives you an HP stat of 359, if I am not missing jump points and if my math is correct. However, the main issue is this sentence in the description itself.

"The remaining EVs are placed into HP, giving Togekiss an impressive HP stat of 311; when you combine this number and Togekiss's already impressive defenses, you'll find that you have both a sturdy and powerful sweeper on your hands."

As you can see, the HP stat listed in bold is Togekiss's minimum without any EV's invested. I think this have to be corrected, and hope I helped! :<
 
Umbreon Dan

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LizardMan said:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/togekiss

The Offensive Nasty Plot set has a typo. The EV spread listed is 192 HP / 80 SpA / 236 Spe which is fine. It gives you an HP stat of 359, if I am not missing jump points and if my math is correct. However, the main issue is this sentence in the description itself.

"The remaining EVs are placed into HP, giving Togekiss an impressive HP stat of 311; when you combine this number and Togekiss's already impressive defenses, you'll find that you have both a sturdy and powerful sweeper on your hands."

As you can see, the HP stat listed in bold is Togekiss's minimum without any EV's invested. I think this have to be corrected, and hope I helped! :<
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gotcha, thanks
 

cayr

In gyarado's bulky DD set there's a mistake in team options in the last paragraph:

...who can set up on Rock- and Electric-type attacks is recommended. Ground-type attackers like Flygon and Dugtrio are ideal as they resist both, while Gliscor may not be immune to both, but it is immune to Electric-type attacks and has the Defense to take most Rock-type attacks...
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This is said as if flygon and dugtrio are inmune to rock which they aren't, as said in the previous sentence.
 

RCrayons

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/unown

Very top of page:
"The first time I saw Unown, they were hovering in a line above the floor, staring at me with malicious Cyclops-eyes. Upon further inspection, I discovered their general shape to be English letters. They spelled:
THE MOTHER OF CHAOS’ MOTHER HAVING SEX WITH THREE MANS. OH NO."

As sarcastic as this statement is, Cyclops still needs to be capitalized since it is a name, not just a thing.

Same Page, under "Team Options"
"Supporting Unown is essential; for it performs best in an environment it is comfortable with. As Unown can sometimes get temperamental when dropped into a situation outside of what it is used to (caves, incest),"

Should be a semicolon not a comma.
Also under Team options:
"As Unown can sometimes get temperamental when dropped into a situation outside of what it is used to (caves, incest), it is wise to pair Unown with familiar environmental hazards. Donphan and Jigglypuff can set Stealth Rock in play. Dual screens are also helpful, as they remind Unown of the old, mysterious days, steeling him against attacks. Uxie, Mesprit, and Mewtwo are excellent choices."
Active Voice vs. Passive Voice (currently "Stealth Rock can be set in play by Donphan and Jigglypuff)

Finally:
"Conclusion

I fled from the cave, eyes bleeding from unsolicited dirty images. I was so blinded by terror I tripped over a rock, fell, and scraped my arms. And when I hauled myself up, there they were. Standing seductively in front of three men was chaos’s mother."
And is currently missing.
 

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RCrayons said:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/unown

Very top of page:
"The first time I saw Unown, they were hovering in a line above the floor, staring at me with malicious Cyclops-eyes. Upon further inspection, I discovered their general shape to be English letters. They spelled:
THE MOTHER OF CHAOS’ MOTHER HAVING SEX WITH THREE MANS. OH NO."

As sarcastic as this statement is, Cyclops still needs to be capitalized since it is a name, not just a thing.

Same Page, under "Team Options"
"Supporting Unown is essential; for it performs best in an environment it is comfortable with. As Unown can sometimes get temperamental when dropped into a situation outside of what it is used to (caves, incest),"

Should be a semicolon not a comma.
Also under Team options:
"As Unown can sometimes get temperamental when dropped into a situation outside of what it is used to (caves, incest), it is wise to pair Unown with familiar environmental hazards. Donphan and Jigglypuff can set Stealth Rock in play. Dual screens are also helpful, as they remind Unown of the old, mysterious days, steeling him against attacks. Uxie, Mesprit, and Mewtwo are excellent choices."
Active Voice vs. Passive Voice (currently "Stealth Rock can be set in play by Donphan and Jigglypuff)

Finally:
"Conclusion

I fled from the cave, eyes bleeding from unsolicited dirty images. I was so blinded by terror I tripped over a rock, fell, and scraped my arms. And when I hauled myself up, there they were. Standing seductively in front of three men was chaos’s mother."
And is currently missing.
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This is a joke analysis. It is better if you spent your efforts on real analysis than waste your time with this.
 

RCrayons

Back with real corrections.

Bastiodon analysis
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/bastiodon

Under "Support" Set
"Not only can the prehistoric Pokemon set up the always-valuable valuable Stealth Rock, it can also provide stall or balanced teams with Toxic support..."
There is an extra "valuable" there.
Under "Torment" Set
"...follow up with a cycle of the other moves mentioned in the set, repeat until the foe's HP bar reaches 0%amp;."
amp; is there (by mistake I'm guessing)
 
Umbreon Dan

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RCrayons said:
Back with real corrections.

Bastiodon analysis
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/bastiodon

Under "Support" Set
"Not only can the prehistoric Pokemon set up the always-valuable valuable Stealth Rock, it can also provide stall or balanced teams with Toxic support..."
There is an extra "valuable" there.
Under "Torment" Set
"...follow up with a cycle of the other moves mentioned in the set, repeat until the foe's HP bar reaches 0%amp;."
amp; is there (by mistake I'm guessing)
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good fixes, thanks!
 
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In the Cyndaquil analysis:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/cyndaquil

Choice Scarf Set, second paragraph:

Though it may seem odd to use two Fire-type moves on Cyndaquil, if Cyndaquil has taken too much residual damage, Eruption will become very weak(while) Fire Blast and Flamethrower will always do the same damage,

Without while in-between weak and Fire Blast, the sentence becomes, for a lack of better words, incorrect and confusing. Either that, or a simple comma needs to be added.
 

RCrayons

I thought I'd also fix some really old articles, even though very few people use them.
R/B Pinsir article
http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/pinsir

(under "Counters")
"Exeggutor's good Defense allows him the ability to switch in with little consequence, and his high Special Attack gives him the ability to take down Pinsir with Psychic."
Not a major change, but since the "Special" stat had not yet been divided into Special Atk and Special Def, "Special Attack" here should be changed to just "Special."

R/B Weezing article
http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/weezing
(under "Counters")
"Bring in powerful special attackers on Weezing's special moves..."
Special is only capitalized in reference to the stat itself.

http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/kabutops
Last sentence on page:
"Wigglytuff can also fare well with its ability to Thunder Wave and use Thunderbolt, but it isn't as reliable as Magneton."
Currently "Wigglytuff can also fare well with its ability to Thunder Wave and use Thunderbolt-it just isn't as reliable as Magneton.". This correction makes more sense gramatically.
 

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Oglemi said:
In the Cyndaquil analysis:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/cyndaquil

Choice Scarf Set, second paragraph:

Though it may seem odd to use two Fire-type moves on Cyndaquil, if Cyndaquil has taken too much residual damage, Eruption will become very weak(while) Fire Blast and Flamethrower will always do the same damage,

Without while in-between weak and Fire Blast, the sentence becomes, for a lack of better words, incorrect and confusing. Either that, or a simple comma needs to be added.
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RCrayons said:
I thought I'd also fix some really old articles, even though very few people use them.
R/B Pinsir article
http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/pinsir

(under "Counters")
"Exeggutor's good Defense allows him the ability to switch in with little consequence, and his high Special Attack gives him the ability to take down Pinsir with Psychic."
Not a major change, but since the "Special" stat had not yet been divided into Special Atk and Special Def, "Special Attack" here should be changed to just "Special."

R/B Weezing article
http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/weezing
(under "Counters")
"Bring in powerful special attackers on Weezing's special moves..."
Special is only capitalized in reference to the stat itself.

http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/kabutops
Last sentence on page:
"Wigglytuff can also fare well with its ability to Thunder Wave and use Thunderbolt, but it isn't as reliable as Magneton."
Currently "Wigglytuff can also fare well with its ability to Thunder Wave and use Thunderbolt-it just isn't as reliable as Magneton.". This correction makes more sense gramatically.
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fixed.
 
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